Ryzen 7 1700 build

[AHITMAN]

Ok, hi guys. Im new here but is an avid follower on Linus Tech Tips on his youtube channel. 

 

Ok so I've been having a bit of trouble...i set up a Ryzen 7 1700 (none x) PC and it boots well with no errors whatsoever, until i try to play a game witch is cpu and/or gpu and /or Ram hungry. When doing so my game is playable for like 20 to 30 secs then it completely freezes and then crashes. I've tried running bench marks using several different softwares and the same is true as well for these softwares. 

 

Any thing i do that puts a load on the computer make that specific app crash. I've updated to the latest version of windows and my setup is as follows

 

ASRock Fatal1ty x370 Gaming K4

Ryzen 7 1700 CPU Stock Wraight Cooler

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb (2×8) (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)

PSU EVGA 750 P2

Radeon R9 290 4GB (which isnt updated to the latest driver available because it crashes the video card as well leaving tue screen blank and computer on)

 

 

Absolutely nothing was overclocked

Mobo bios was updated to 2.40. they have a 2.50 and 3.00 bios update as well but those arent stable enough for me, for when i flash those 2 i get random bsods with stock clocks. Reason for being at v2.40 bios is because I read its the best bios to overclock and am planning to do so when ever i figure out what this problem is.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. If someone else had this problem amd already solve it then point me to that post please and thanks.

[DrMikeNZ]

I would start with RAM. What are your RAM speed and timings (check with CPU-z), you may need to manually adjust these to improve stability.

[AHITMAN]

1 hour ago, DrMikeNZ said:

I would start with RAM. What are your RAM speed and timings (check with CPU-z), you may need to manually adjust these to improve stability.

Thanks for the response, Its at a lower frequency which is 2133mgz and the highest it can go os 2933mhz from what i read.

 

I already over clocked it using the xmp profile1 which was provided and all you had to do was pick the highest frequency closest to that of your ram sticks...which i did and it worked but anything that required any load on the computer crashed...i doubt its the cpu cos i did a cinebench earlier which completed successfully with a score of 1554 cb at stock...so maybe it could indeed be the ram or can it be my video card...cos my computer doesnt crash...its just the applications that crashes. I really dont know what to think thats why im here.

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by AHITMAN
Added more info.

[AHITMAN]

Could it be my memory? Cos mine isn't showing on Asrock's fatal1ty x370 QVL here:

 

http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4/index.asp#Memory

 

I wouldnt have bought this kit if it werent for pcpartpicker...they said the memory is compatible hence tue reason i got it.

[DrMikeNZ]

5 minutes ago, AHITMAN said:

Could it be my memory? Cos mine isn't showing on Asrock's fatal1ty x370 QVL

Possibly, although it is less likely to be a hardware issue with the memory itself, and more likely to be an issue with the particular default settings.

Ryzen is a pain in the ass with memory compatibility and out of the box frequently trains the memory timings incorrectly which can lead to a lot of stability issues.

 

There have been a lot of issues with RAM that is not on the motherboards QVL failing to POST entirely.

The RAM is tested for the XMP profile with Intel processors, and may not be stable on Ryzen. PC partpicker doesn't go through each motherboards QVL to assess compatibility as with previous platforms it was rare to have issues, it pretty much just checks if it is the right ram type (DDR3 or DDR4 etc).

 

I recommend keeping the clock speed at 2133 until you have determined the cause of the instability, but try increasing the timings and/or SOC and DRAM voltages.

If that doesn't work, you might need to manually set secondary or tertiary timings which requires the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. Or, replace the motherboard.

[AHITMAN]

20 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Possibly, although it is less likely to be a hardware issue with the memory itself, and more likely to be an issue with the particular default settings.

Ryzen is a pain in the ass with memory compatibility and out of the box frequently trains the memory timings incorrectly which can lead to a lot of stability issues.

 

There have been a lot of issues with RAM that is not on the motherboards QVL failing to POST entirely.

The RAM is tested for the XMP profile with Intel processors, and may not be stable on Ryzen. PC partpicker doesn't go through each motherboards QVL to assess compatibility as with previous platforms it was rare to have issues, it pretty much just checks if it is the right ram type (DDR3 or DDR4 etc).

 

I recommend keeping the clock speed at 2133 until you have determined the cause of the instability, but try increasing the timings and/or SOC and DRAM voltages.

If that doesn't work, you might need to manually set secondary or tertiary timings which requires the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. Or, replace the motherboard.

I am running at "out of the box" frequency. Nothing have been touched like what i said earlier. That last part u said hurt me..."If that doesn't work, you might need to manually set secondary or tertiary timings which requires the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. Or, replace the motherboard." Why would i need to replace mobo reason for me asking this quedtion is that im not able to return anything where i live...im not even in the US, rather im in Central America. So even if i could return anything it will take weeks to do so just for delivery, not to mention the time it will take for the manufacturer to replace it...but like u said it has to be some type of setting in my bios cos the system stays on with out a crash any at all...it doesnt even crash, its the application that crashes after it tries utilising cpu or ram.

[DrMikeNZ]

Just now, AHITMAN said:

I am running at "out of the box" frequency. Nothing have been touched like what i said earlier. That last part u said hurt me..."If that doesn't work, you might need to manually set secondary or tertiary timings which requires the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. Or, replace the motherboard." Why would i need to replace mobo reason for me asking this quedtion is that im not able to return anything where i live...im not even in the US, rather im in Central America. So even if i could return anything it will take weeks to do so just for delivery, not to mention the time it will take for the manufacturer to replace it...but like u said it has to be some type of setting in my bios cos the system stays on with out a crash any at all...it doesnt even crash, its the application that crashes after it tries utilising cpu or ram.

That particular motherboard has an unusually low rated memory overclock in its specifications, it is the only X370 board that I am aware of rated to 2933+ whereas others were rated to 3200+. The only reason I can see for this is if they made a design mistake in the memory traces, and could potentially be a cause of RAM and application instability. However, RAM issues should be able to be overcome with manual tweaking. Run memtest86 overnight and check there aren't any serious issues with the RAM.

 

You could try to reinstall windows using a freshly updated install disk with the media creation tool, windows sometimes goofs up, it can't hurt to try.

[AHITMAN]

6 hours ago, DrMikeNZ said:

That particular motherboard has an unusually low rated memory overclock in its specifications, it is the only X370 board that I am aware of rated to 2933+ whereas others were rated to 3200+. The only reason I can see for this is if they made a design mistake in the memory traces, and could potentially be a cause of RAM and application instability. However, RAM issues should be able to be overcome with manual tweaking. Run memtest86 overnight and check there aren't any serious issues with the RAM.

 

You could try to reinstall windows using a freshly updated install disk with the media creation tool, windows sometimes goofs up, it can't hurt to try.

I want to agree with you, as everything i read about this mobo is mostly bad...i should've gotten the Taichi and done. That might be the reason why ASRock had put this board as EOL (end of life) so early in its state...they might have figured out it had a design flaw...if this is the case...im a bit furious...cos i wasted alot of money just to have it shipped to my country, not to mention that its $2.15 to $1 US dollar over here so u can just imagine how much i spend. I spend $488.88 total on this $159.99 mobo just to have it shipped here and whats not...i just want to be able to run my games thats it. I cant afford to get s new mobo or new set of memory sticks...

 

When i reach home today im gonna do the memtest and see if its the memory. And im going to try and tweak it to a sweet spot see if that works...i dont really kno how to manually overclock...so i dont really kno what would be the sweet spot...im normally a dude that jus settles for the stock...but even at stocks this shit is happening to me...

[AHITMAN]

Ok I got i resolved...it was indeed a graphics problem, what i did was install crimson v16.5.1 then update from there to 17.7.1 and voila played a game with no problems. and now i even got my ram OC'ed to 2933 with absolutely no problems. thanks for your help @DrMikeNZ I really appreciate it, you really dont know how i feel im very satisfied, would buy a beer for you if u were here ^^. Next thing im tying to do is OC the cpu to 3.8ghz the highest but i dont know what to change to have it stable as when i try to do it manually it it crash the whole system and revert back to 3.0Ghz.

[DrMikeNZ]

7 hours ago, AHITMAN said:

Ok I got i resolved...it was indeed a graphics problem

I am relieved that you were able to resolve the issue, and that it was not a serious hardware fault.

 

7 hours ago, AHITMAN said:

Next thing im tying to do is OC the cpu to 3.8ghz the highest but i dont know what to change to have it stable as when i try to do it manually it it crash the whole system and revert back to 3.0Ghz.

You will need to adjust the CPU core voltage. I recommend that you start with small increments to the multiplier and test as you go (I typically run Cinebench 4 times at each increment), monitoring CPU temperatures. If it crashes, then raise the CPU voltage until it no longer crashes under load. Try to keep CPU temperatures below 80°C, or lower if you are not comfortable at that temperature, with the stock cooler you will likely want to stay below approximately 1.38V as this is typically about the most the stock cooler can handle keeping temperatures stable. Once you have an overclock you are happy with, run a few longer stress tests such as aida64 and if it crashes either drop the clock speed or raise the CPU voltage.

[AHITMAN]

yeah thanks, im still getting the games crashing but i now know its the gpu drivers thats causing the crashes, it updated itself 2day while i was gone and now the crashing of gpu intensive app is back, even though i rolled back the driver, guess i gotta do a fresh install of the 17.7.1 drivers. its getting real frustrating, this is by far the most frustrating build i had to deal with but its worth it in the longer run i guess.

[DrMikeNZ]

6 minutes ago, AHITMAN said:

yeah thanks, im still getting the games crashing but i now know its the gpu drivers thats causing the crashes, it updated itself 2day while i was gone and now the crashing of gpu intensive app is back, even though i rolled back the driver, guess i gotta do a fresh install of the 17.7.1 drivers. its getting real frustrating, this is by far the most frustrating build i had to deal with but its worth it in the longer run i guess.

Is the GPU something that you have had for a while, or was it purchased new or second hand?

[AHITMAN]

i had for a while, maybe a year and a half. but its well taken care of its and r9 290 4gb i clean it to time and by clean i mean every 2 to 3 months i would open it take of the heatsink and reapply thermal paste and it good to go after that. but it gotta have some thing to do with the driver or so cos ive read people having the same problem as me when their game crshes its because its under load and its a ryzen 1700 build, dunno maybe it could be stemming from the ryzen 7 1700 as well not pairing well with this older card.but my system is very stable i can do nearly anything except for gpu intensive activity.

[DrMikeNZ]

1 minute ago, AHITMAN said:

maybe it could be stemming from the ryzen 7 1700 as well not pairing well with this older card

That would be pretty embarrassing for AMD if their GPU's aren't working with their own CPU's. If others are having this issue then I expect that they will be trying to resolve the issue ASAP.

[AHITMAN]

Yeah same exact thing i was thinking, take a look at this if you dont mind

 

https://www.google.com.bz/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/61johq/new_ryzen_build_keeps_crashing/

[AHITMAN]

@DrMikeNZ I need serious help rightnow...I took out my r9 290 and swap it with my gtx 1080 from my other rig and since then my system doesnt want to boot up.

 

No kind of power not even the cpu fan or chasis fan spins. Just one rgb light is lit on the mobo and thats it. Prior to swapping the cards the bios was updated from 2.40 to AGESA 3.00 through the bios its using the built in bios updater and thats when the computer started giving signs of failure, it didnt want to post at all, no matter what i do, the system would just go into an infinite loop...

 

I thought it was the video card hence the reason for the swap. But since d swap nothing is getting power and i made sure everything is connected but no power...did the mobo died? Help me plz desperately.

[DrMikeNZ]

24 minutes ago, AHITMAN said:

@DrMikeNZ I need serious help rightnow...I took out my r9 290 and swap it with my gtx 1080 from my other rig and since then my system doesnt want to boot up.

 

No kind of power not even the cpu fan or chasis fan spins. Just one rgb light is lit on the mobo and thats it. Prior to swapping the cards the bios was updated from 2.40 to AGESA 3.00 through the bios its using the built in bios updater and thats when the computer started giving signs of failure, it didnt want to post at all, no matter what i do, the system would just go into an infinite loop...

 

I thought it was the video card hence the reason for the swap. But since d swap nothing is getting power and i made sure everything is connected but no power...did the mobo died? Help me plz desperately.

You are having a terrible time with this system.

If you haven't already reset the CMOS. Can you provide more details of what you mean by an infinite loop?

[AHITMAN]

Forget about the infinite loop, it doesnt even boot/post now. By infinite loop i mention before i meant that it just cycles through some debug numbers and goes right back around with the same numbers and everytime it reaches a specific code "3b" my mouse and keyboard light flashes but nothing shows on the screen and it does this over and over

 

But forget about that, now it wont even power on at all...i disconnected everything and reconnected and still no luck.