Computex 2017 - HELL YEAH!

[zMeul]

Just now, T SpooN said:

I don't know what Linus has said on his WAN Shows.

I also don't know if my opinion is the same as Linus but what I think is that it's just dirty if Intel is releasing a new sockets just for marketing purposes only.

 

And please, calm down.

marketing?!

 

Intel didn't just pulled Skylake-X and KabyLake-X out of their collective asses yesterday

those CPUs have pooped in Intel's roadmaps way way before Ryzen getting launched - Linus video and reaction is totally theatrical to a issue that doesn't exists 

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, rn8686 said:

I would argue that is simply because of thread ripper on its way (They weren't even dropped that much) so the low end models didnt cannibalise it in terms of value, but still doesn't really change my point. I think we can all agree that Ryzen R7 is better value than Intels 6900k or 7820x regardless of the market share it has (Even @zMeul I'm sure). 

sure, if you plan to buy a CPU lineup that still has outstanding unsolved hardware issues .. please go ahead

[FishTea]

Just now, zMeul said:

marketing?!

 

Intel didn't just pulled Skylake-X and KabyLake-X out of their collective asses yesterday

those CPUs have pooped in Intel's roadmaps way way before Ryzen getting launched - Linus video and reaction is totally theatrical to a issue that doesn't exists 

still, gotta hand it to intel making their mainstream lineup making it to HEDT. 

most dumb move i've ever seen on intel aside from p4. and charging the same without even improvement such as additional PCIE to make it to the "HEDT".

if rumors are proven true. 

 

intel gonna have a bad time.

[rn8686]

Just now, zMeul said:

sure, if you plan to buy a CPU lineup that still has outstanding unsolved hardware issues .. please go ahead

What hardware issues? My understanding is that most of the ram problems have been fixed, haven't heard about anything else. 

[XenosTech]

8 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

yeah, i've seen the slide you speak of in later videos from other youtubers, I don't understand why those folks didn't have the up to date information.

From what I've gathered intel gave them the one with the 10 cores first then later came back with the 18 core slide later

[FishTea]

Just now, XenosTech said:

From what I've gathered intel gave them the one with the 10 cores first then later came back with the 18 core slide later

you mean the 18 core is rumored to be available next year?

[FishTea]

1 minute ago, rn8686 said:

What hardware issues? My understanding is that most of the ram problems have been fixed, haven't heard about anything else. 

he's just go full on suicide watch since clusterfuck of an announcement from intel. he's basically an anti-AMD fan since the inception of time. expect 0 to none sense when making a proper conversation when his beloved intel is on the topic 

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, zeraine00 said:

you mean the 18 core is rumored to be available next year?

x299 should be launching later this year... I have no idea when the 12+ core cpu's will launch for that platform

[T SpooN]

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

Intel didn't just pulled Skylake-X and KabyLake-X out of their collective asses yesterday

those CPUs have pooped in Intel's roadmaps way way before Ryzen getting launched - Linus video and reaction is totally theatrical to a issue that doesn't exists 

Of course they did, I bet they even have better shit right now ready, they just don't want to show off until they look at AMD's hand first. Again, it's all marketing.

[T SpooN]

2 minutes ago, zeraine00 said:

he's just go full on suicide watch since clusterfuck of an announcement from intel. he's basically an anti-AMD fan since the inception of time. expect 0 to none sense when making a proper conversation when his beloved intel is on the topic 

someone had to say it, thanks for taking one for the team.

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, rn8686 said:

What hardware issues? My understanding is that most of the ram problems have been fixed, haven't heard about anything else. 

if you burry your head in the sand, sure .. what other issues?!

 

• CCX latency
• RAM modules compatibility - perhaps fixed; 4 months after launch
• FMA bug - fixed
• VME is broken - I don't even recall if AMD at least acknowledged it

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, T SpooN said:

Of course they did, I bet they even have better shit right now ready, they just don't want to show off until they look at AMD's hand first. Again, it's all marketing.

sure mate, unicorns are real too 

[FishTea]

Just now, zMeul said:

if you burry your head in the sand, sure .. what other issues?!

 

• CCX latency
• RAM modules compatibility - perhaps fixed; 4 months after launch
• FMA bug - fixed
• VME is broken - I don't even recall if AMD at least acknowledged it

VME is addressed in the AGESA1006 irrc. The CCX is latency is just an overblown issue which in fact make little to no impact on the system especially when you're a content creator. you're just doing a suicide watch at this point. 

 

Please stop for the sake of your sanity. its getting dumber and dumber at this point/

[FishTea]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

sure mate, unicorns are real too 

ya like there's magically an 18 core in the lineup like a unicorn that came out of nowhere.

 

call that  INTEL CORE-i911 Panic Edition

[zMeul]

Just now, zeraine00 said:

ya like there's magically an 18 core in the lineup like a unicorn that came out of nowhere.

 

call that  INTEL CORE-i911 Panic Edition

it's astonishing how people believe Intel / AMD can just manufacture a new platform in couple of months

[Daniel644]

8 minutes ago, rn8686 said:

What hardware issues? My understanding is that most of the ram problems have been fixed, haven't heard about anything else. 

Most being the key word in that phrase, no one should have to worry whether the RAM they just bought for there new system is going to work or not, fact is AMD botched that launch so bad it's like AT&T launching DirecTV Now, here we are 6 months later and they still have glitches and things not working right and only just now added support for some Roku's when Roku support was REPEATEDLY promised before the end of Q1(but I'm getting off on a whole other rant that is off topic, so back on topic), it's been stated by MotherBoard manufactures that Ryzen wasn't planned to launch till roughly about now ("Late Q2" being the official quote I read), so it's clear to me AMD new Intel was getting ready to release new chips and so they rushed Ryzen to the public before it was ready and now they are responding to the renewed Intel threat by cutting prices, Thread ripper will be a high enough jump up in pricing they shouldn't need to lower the midrange R7's so much in price (we are talking like 50-70 bucks on the higher end R7's).

[FishTea]

Just now, zMeul said:

it's astonishing how people believe Intel / AMD can just manufacture a new platform in couple of months

It's astonishing how you can defend a fucked up company with no sense of proper direction.

 

 

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[zMeul]

Just now, zeraine00 said:

It's astonishing how you can defend a fucked up company with no sense of proper direction.

 

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if me posting here means I'm defending some company ... good god!

I'm stopping replying to your posts right here

[FishTea]

Just now, Daniel644 said:

Most being the key word in that phrase, no one should have to worry whether the RAM they just bought for there new system is going to work or not,

X99 bruh. the most cluster fuck announcement intel has done.

 

RAMS doesn't even boot up when you insert a new RAM in x99 setups and intel have it totally soved after a year since it launced means while AMD have made great strides in 2 months.At least the AM4 socket can boot up with slow rated speeds not like the x99 launch.

 

to each and every one. technology hardly offers day one no frills. each company have the ups and downs.

[FishTea]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

if me posting here means I'm defending some company ... good god!

I'm stopping replying to your posts right here

*suicide watch

 

We know that if you can't win an argument, you'll just straight up leave the conversation

 

Good ol' @zMeul 

 

 

[Daniel644]

15 minutes ago, zeraine00 said:

*suicide watch

 

We know that if you can't win an argument, you'll just straight up leave the conversation

 

Good ol' @zMeul 

 

 

honestly, no offense, but trying to read what you posts makes me want to mute you and I have no love for either brand, I chose what fits my needs, for many years it was AMD because it fit my limited budget, but now I had the budget for better and Ryzen was 6 months out atleast so I went Intel (this was EARLY September of last year), honestly since switching I have been thoroughly impressed by what i've seen, something that used to take an HOUR to do on my old AMD dual core laptop suddenly took 12 minutes to do on my Intel i7 laptop (yes I know, WAY more cores) then that same thing takes 5-6 minutes to do on my i7 6700k desktop (same number of cores, just higher clock and better IPC), so I have kinda migrated toward Intel if being completely honest, but with good reason (as exampled by those numbers), but I fully recognize the potential for Ryzen, but I also can objectively see the things holding it back, since I'm not a fanboy for either side (i've build an equal number of builds from both teams, half my personal builds and half my work builds have been AMD). I haven't had the chance to play with Ryzen yet, but I do see some issues from the budget conscious builds, I know people that just need basic internet browsing and word processing machines so they have no use of a dedicated graphics card and so any current Ryzen build (until the APU's launch at some point) will have the fixed additional cost of a cheap GPU and due to that Intel still makes more sense on the ultra budget i3/R3 side of things. the R5's make things a bit more interesting, but still you run into the whole building over time thing, where people get a CPU now and a GPU some months later (like I did, I just got my GPU on Thursday), this is another thing where Ryzen increases the cost as people will have to buy a crap GPU that they will basically just have to throw away when they get there better one down the road, AMD is supposed to be the more budget options, but when you price a Ryzen build you got to look at all the cost angles. It's OK to see that lack of support on higher end stuff, because lets be honest, if your putting a grand or more into your CPU and MOBO, you aren't worried about budget or using onboard graphics.

 

I think it's time we all just walk away, agree to disagree on some points and wait for the OVERDUE SCRAPYARD WARS EPISODE 3.

[Taf the Ghost]

55 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

From what I've gathered intel gave them the one with the 10 cores first then later came back with the 18 core slide later

Oldest slides for X299 was 10c. One from late 2016 seems to have had a 12c part listed.  The 18c is really, really recent, and, given the fact the Mobo makers were having to rush, it's safe to assume that Intel didn't finalize the Spec until just a few months ago.

 

The other important detail is that AMD never had Threadripper on their internal roadmaps. It seems very likely that AMD only decided to commit to TR somewhere late in 2016, likely after they got their first full batch of packages in and could see the yields. Epyc & Ryzen were their targets, Threadripper comes about because they can. It's the reason Intel's response seems odd and with last minute changes.

[FishTea]

4 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

honestly, no offense, but trying to read what you posts makes me want to mute you and I have no love for either brand, I chose what fits my needs, for many years it was AMD because it fit my limited budget, but now I had the budget for better and Ryzen was 6 months out atleast so I went Intel (this was EARLY September of last year), honestly since switching I have been thoroughly impressed by what i've seen, something that used to take an HOUR to do on my old AMD dual core laptop suddenly took 12 minutes to do on my Intel i7 laptop (yes I know, WAY more cores) then that same thing takes 5-6 minutes to do on my i7 6700k desktop (same number of cores, just higher clock and better IPC), so I have kinda migrated toward Intel if being completely honest, but with good reason (as exampled by those numbers), but I fully recognize the potential for Ryzen, but I also can objectively see the things holding it back, since I'm not a fanboy for either side (i've build an equal number of builds from both teams, half my personal builds and half my work builds have been AMD). I haven't had the chance to play with Ryzen yet, but I do see some issues from the budget conscious builds, I know people that just need basic internet browsing and word processing machines so they have no use of a dedicated graphics card and so any current Ryzen build (until the APU's launch at some point) will have the fixed additional cost of a cheap GPU and due to that Intel still makes more sense on the ultra budget i3/R3 side of things. the R5's make things a bit more interesting, but still you run into the whole building over time thing, where people get a CPU now and a GPU some months later (like I did, I just got my GPU on Thursday), this is another thing where Ryzen increases the cost as people will have to buy a crap GPU that they will basically just have to throw away when they get there better one down the road, AMD is supposed to be the more budget options, but when you price a Ryzen build you got to look at all the cost angles. It's OK to see that lack of support on higher end stuff, because lets be honest, if your putting a grand or more into your CPU and MOBO, you aren't worried about budget or using onboard graphics.

 

I think it's time we all just walk away, agree to disagree on some points and wait for the OVERDUE SCRAPYARD WARS EPISODE 3.

GIB us scrapyard wars 3 LINUS!

 

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Oldest slides for X299 was 10c. One from late 2016 seems to have had a 12c part listed.  The 18c is really, really recent, and, given the fact the Mobo makers were having to rush, it's safe to assume that Intel didn't finalize the Spec until just a few months ago.

 

The other important detail is that AMD never had Threadripper on their internal roadmaps. It seems very likely that AMD only decided to commit to TR somewhere late in 2016, likely after they got their first full batch of packages in and could see the yields. Epyc & Ryzen were their targets, Threadripper comes about because they can. It's the reason Intel's response seems odd and with last minute changes.

Zen was on their road map... so a HEDT platform was always in the works for Ryzen

[FishTea]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Oldest slides for X299 was 10c. One from late 2016 seems to have had a 12c part listed.  The 18c is really, really recent, and, given the fact the Mobo makers were having to rush, it's safe to assume that Intel didn't finalize the Spec until just a few months ago.

 

The other important detail is that AMD never had Threadripper on their internal roadmaps. It seems very likely that AMD only decided to commit to TR somewhere late in 2016, likely after they got their first full batch of packages in and could see the yields. Epyc & Ryzen were their targets, Threadripper comes about because they can. It's the reason Intel's response seems odd and with last minute changes.

yes, thats what im wanting zmeul to know.