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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

overheating problem

Dual fans and about 9+ side vents with nice heat pipes. 

 

Show me a vid where it overheats. 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

consequences

What consequences? What are you talking about?

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

What consequences? What are you talking about?

you are talking about something you haven't used 

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1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

you are talking about something you haven't used 

Thats isn't a consequence. Thats a statement of a fact. 

 

I honestly don't know what you are talking about anymore. 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Thats isn't a consequence. Thats a statement of a fact. 

 

I honestly don't know what you are talking about anymore. 

 

you are defending something you have no idea about. 

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1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

you are defending something you have no idea about. 

Sure

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6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Dual fans and about 9+ side vents with nice heat pipes. 

 

Show me a vid where it overheats. 

 

 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

 

Did the computer shut down? If no it did not overheat. 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Did the computer shut down? If no it did not overheat. 

so a computer has to shut down to overheat? 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

i feel like you are being a troll 

? whatever floats your boat. 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

so a computer has to shut down to overheat? 

Yes otherwise its just operating. 

 

Thermal throttling is not overheating. 

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28 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

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LOL kudos to you not losing your shit. I feel like you're trying to teach a blind person to see color here but LOLs. I agree with u btw. Touchbar is a piece of shit. Fuck that thing. It's a cool gimmick for about ...4 hours. And then you remember keyboard shortcuts are better/faster/easier and LOOKING AT YOUR KEYBOARD while trying to work is SHIT. (only thing good about it was scrubbing video which was enjoyable, BUT, I have a mx master to do that already so meh). 

 

ONLY thing good about the new Macbook Pro 15in is how the TB3 lanes are routed directly to the CPU without interacting with a controller or PCH. Allows for higher bandwidth and better eGPU performance. I'll probably buy the next gen 15in just for eGPU (I'm assuming eGPU will be more mature and that Apple will stick with it's architecture design). 

 

Otherwise, battery life HAS gotten slightly better. Still not as good. 

 

The screen is REALLY nice. 

 

Is still absolutely broken to SHIT on windows. Like literally unusable. (not that 2015 Macbook was ALOT better, but the 2016 model runs especially bad). Like you don't understand how bad it is until you've installed bootcamp and tried to use it exclusively on Windows. I needed to run a remote legacy business app that doesn't run well via VMs and holy shit was it cancer to work with on Windows. Battery life is literally 2 hours. If that. CPU was slow as shit because it's throttled to 2.8ghz the whole time and I couldn't properly run the 15+ excel spreadsheets with heavy macro and plugins properly at all (not that the 2015 did any better, but 2016 is just even worse) and the AMD GPU is shit without built in OpenCL acceleration built into MacOS. 

 

Returned it within the week. My 2012 specced out retina is still running smooth (did 1 battery replacement at 2000 cycles) and I bought Synergy (from the built in ads from LTT), and now I bring my macbook around as a second screen for color and light photoshop work. Is pretty cool. Don't think it'll be doing it long term, the Macbook Pro is going straight back to retirement after I'm done with a short marketing stint that needs handling. 

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Yes otherwise its just operating. 

 

Thermal throttling is not overheating. 

 
 
 

that's nice, i hate it when a computer gets to breathe. don't you hate it when your computer runs normally without any heating problems? 

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Did the computer shut down? If no it did not overheat. 

I'm sorry you're just wrong. You're talking about a product you've NEVER USED and claiming its the best thing in the world, when I've LITERALLY ran it for pro bussiness applications and the thing throttles to 2.8ghz under max computational loads. Literally worse than a 6700HQ. I could of applied liquid metal and kept it under control but I have a 2012 retina kitted out that LITERALLY runs faster than the new one (because on Windows, you can OC it). 

 

It takes me like 20 extra seconds to run my macro heavy excel sheet with a billion conditions and modules because the new Macbook LITERALLY couldn't turbo up properly because the cooling is shit. 

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(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

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1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

that's nice, i hate it when a computer gets to breathe. don't you hate it when your computer runs normally? 

running hot is normal for computer components. 

 

Its Apples view that they would rather the machine be a quite as possible for as long as possible. 

 

Its a tight packed machine, if you expect it to run at 30C underload that is your problem. 

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Just now, Pendragon said:

best thing in the world

where have I said its the best thing in the world. Its not even the best laptop in the world.......

 

 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

running hot is normal for computer components. 

 

Its Apples view that they would rather the machine be a quite as possible for as long as possible. 

 

Its a tight packed machine, if you expect it to run at 30C underload that is your problem. 

 

yea, i hate the fact my late 2013 model runs cool most of the time. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its a tight packed machine, if you expect it to run at 30C underload that is your problem. 

No. I expect it to run at what a 6920HQ can run at. BUT nooooo. It is literally slower than my Ivy Bridge quad core at max loads because it's throttled to shit and my Ivy Bridge is OCed to 3.8ghz or so. 2.8ghz Skylake is worse than 3.8 Ivy Bridge. And my Macbook is FOUR years older. FOUR. (Excel doesn't run GPU acceleration so GPU doesn't really matter for me on excel workloads). 

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(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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2 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

You're talking about a product you've NEVER USED

that's my point, that single point makes this argument difficult. 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

yea, i hate the fact my late 2013 model runs cool most of the time. 

 

 

All my machines run cool most of the time. If I cover up their vents they do get hot. 

 

I don't own a 15" so I wouldnt know, but so far you two people are the only ones that I have heard complain about the cooling. 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

I don't own a 15" so I wouldnt know, but so far you two people are the only ones that I have heard complain about the cooling. 

yea, sadly only 2 of us and most reviews complain about it also i used one, you haven't. 

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4 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

that's my point, that single point makes this argument difficult. 

I wanted to keep mine tbh. Just for eGPU. I find it hilairous that Apple of all people routed their PCIE lanes better than other manufacterers. But I was NOT willing to pay 4 grand to tinker with it. 

 

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I don't own a 15" so I wouldnt know, but so far you two people are the only ones that I have heard complain about the cooling. 

If you know. WATCH A VIDEO? MAYBE? https://youtu.be/JirCwapScUs?t=2m35s

Literally linus made a video about it. And he's not even pushing it hard. Wait till you see pro business tools. 

 

2 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

yea, sadly only 2 of us and most reviews complain about it also i used one, you haven't. 

Nah mate. Most reviews do show it throttles under mixed loads. LOL. Reference above. 

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(Retired) Zbook 15: i7-6820HQ, M2000M, 32gb, 512gb SSD + 2tb HDD, 4k Dreamcolor

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(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

yea, sadly only 2 of us and most reviews complain about it also i used one, you haven't. 

So what If I don't own one?

 

If these machines had problems It would be everywhere, but outside of a few reviews and some guy on the forum I'm not hearing anything. 

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

If these machines had problems It would be everywhere, but outside of a few reviews and some guy on the forum I'm not hearing anything. 

 

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

And basically every single review linked to you in this thread.

 

@nerdslayer1 Okay peace. I'm done here. It's like talking to wall, cept at this point the wall would have understood. 

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(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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