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1 minute ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

nice

though i really have to say, university cad stuff is not that demanding as many people who are studying need to learn the basics first. I really would go with the 1700 though, as it looks more promising for the future.

same thing I thought

 

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3 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Who is this build for ? Op is after a 1700 and a 1070 

 

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2 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/nhRnqk

Out of budget -_-

 

CPU AMD - RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor €329.99   FREE   €329.99   Buy
Motherboard MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard €105.49       €105.49   Buy
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Power Supply SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply €77.90   FREE   €77.90   Buy
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€1142.61

that looks promising :)

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1 minute ago, TheHoffmann said:

that looks promising :)

o_O okay... just replace case and ssd with m.2 (Crucial MX300) if you want I kept merchant amazon.de

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16 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

This is the none k i7 

The i7 7700 didn't bottleneck a Titan X(Pascal) I used  to have so really isn't any worse than you think.

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3 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

o_O okay... just replace case and ssd with m.2 (Crucial MX300) if you want I kept merchant amazon.de

yeah please post the new rig. The merchant doesn't matter cause I will buy where it is the cheapest.

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Pretty sure a quadro should be something you should definitely go for. I'm pretty sure this would be better than a 1070 or even 1080 for what you're doing.

 

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Unfortunately €75 over but I got a p2000 in there.

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Pretty sure a quadro should be something you should definitely go for. I'm pretty sure this would be better than a 1070 or even 1080 for what you're doing.

 

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Unfortunately €75 over but I got a p2000 in there.

you are right, a quadro would be better, but I wanna do other things than CAD and for gaming a quadro sucks

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@TheHoffmannyou shouldn't be looking at "measly" GeForce cards for this, but rather quadro and FirePro cards.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/specviewperf-12-workstation-graphics-benchmark,3778-15.html

 

Yes I know it's nx 8 but same idea should apply. You can see just how horribly the 780ti is slaughtered by its quadro counterparts.

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1 minute ago, TheHoffmann said:

you are right, a quadro would be better, but I wanna do other things than CAD and for gaming a quadro sucks

I thought you said your priorities were uni tho?...

 

Anyhow, this is gonna be like a 10-20% worse 1060, so it won't be that bad.

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I thought you said your priorities were uni tho?...

 

Anyhow, this is gonna be like a 10-20% worse 1060, so it won't be that bad.

yeah priorities are uni but not only uni, I am 3 months in Uni and 3 months at the business I am studying, and when there is not so much CAD and there is time to game thats it

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I thought you said your priorities were uni tho?...

 

Anyhow, this is gonna be like a 10-20% worse 1060, so it won't be that bad.

and when Uni is over I don't know if there is more CAD work to do, and if so I can buy a quadro then

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3 minutes ago, TheHoffmann said:

yeah priorities are uni but not only uni, I am 3 months in Uni and 3 months at the business I am studying, and when there is not so much CAD and there is time to game thats it

 

1 minute ago, TheHoffmann said:

and when Uni is over I don't know if there is more CAD work to do, and if so I can buy a quadro then

I guess, but your budget is only allowing a 1060 ATM and the quadro isn't that much worse...

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8 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Pretty sure a quadro should be something you should definitely go for. I'm pretty sure this would be better than a 1070 or even 1080 for what you're doing.

 

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Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€50.73 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (€38.92 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€52.67 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
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Unfortunately €75 over but I got a p2000 in there.

quadro not really worth it tbh, most stuff is ok on normal gpus. you only notice the difference if you go crazy big assemblies and such, but most of the time at uni, you won't do that 

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quadro not really worth it tbh, most stuff is ok on normal gpus. you only notice the difference if you go crazy big assemblies and such, but most of the time at uni, you won't do that 

Really? Idk too much about why they're better but doesn't this mean something?

 

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I swapped MB cause if you want to CrossFire/SLI in future so you don't have to buy a new MB

 

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2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Really? Idk too much about why they're better but doesn't this mean something?

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/specviewperf-12-workstation-graphics-benchmark,3778-15.html

seems that siemens nx handles this a bit different. I'm using solid works, Inventor and Catia, and they tend to need better gpus only in large assemblies. Though I don't think that for an engineering student this makes a huge difference, hence why I got my 970 back in the day instead of a similar priced quadro. Most times, CAD programs benefits most from good cpu performance in the first place, and if it gets really complex, gpu comes into play. As a student, I didn't have to do any crazy stuff yet and even the PCs at work only have a very basic quadro from 2010 and it works too, sometimes a bit choppy if you have a large assembly with many parts, but workable. So I wouldn't freak out about GPUs, get a normal GTX gpu and call it a day, especially as the GTX parts also give their performance to the programs, but just not officially supported and as efficient as maybe quadro/firepro counterparts. The GTX will also benefit you more in every other workload for a normal human being like gaming

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23 minutes ago, Demonking said:

Bull shit.

You know he's not on about the 7700k he's on about the 7700 which is locked at 3.6ghz  ? 

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You know he's not on about the 7700k he's on about the 7700 which is locked at 3.6ghz  ? 

Bullshit your self 

Doesn't matter still has the superior architecture. In games like gta v Intel tops the charts why higher IPC. Also it turbo boost to 4.2ghz btw

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12 minutes ago, Demonking said:

Doesn't matter still has the superior architecture. In games like gta v Intel tops the charts why higher IPC. Also it turbo boost to 4.2ghz btw

Not all boards turbo all cores most just 1 core. And if it's stays at 3.6 a 4ghz ryzen when will beat it the icp isn't that far behind

 

 

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