upgrade 400$

[Tauwer]

hi people,

 

i want to upgrade my pc and i need some advice

i`m going to play AAA games on the upgrade and might want to stream stuff like League, csgo and some other less demanding games

my current rig:

a10 7850k

8gb of ddr3 gskill ripjaws

gtx 960 4gb

350 watt be quiet power supply

 

i was thinking bout ryzen but i`m not sure (upgrade includes mobo cpu and ram)

 

i had some things picked out: tell me if its any good

 

Ryzen 1600x

Asus Prime B350M-A

corsair vengeance 16gb 3200

 

 

[JoostinOnline]

Lol unless you give us your full specs we can't give any advice.

[Tauwer]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

Lol unless you give us your full specs we can't give any advice.

yep i miss clicked srry i wasnt done

[Bazilias]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pmhtBP

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($188.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($32.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $391.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-01 07:41 EDT-0400

[Tauwer]

2 minutes ago, RaptorCandy said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pmhtBP

looks good ty pretty much had the same 

[SlipperyPete]

6 minutes ago, Tauwer said:

looks good ty pretty much had the same 

dont forget that switching motherboards means you will most likely need a new windows key if you are planning on using an activated version of windows

[Tauwer]

Just now, SlipperyPete said:

dont forget that switching motherboards means you will most likely need a new windows key if you are planning on using an activated version of windows

wait whut ? did not know that 

[SlipperyPete]

Just now, Tauwer said:

wait whut ? did not know that 

yes. most windows keys are tied to the motherboard and once activated cannot be reused on a new machine

[Tauwer]

Just now, SlipperyPete said:

yes. most windows keys are tied to the motherboard and once activated cannot be reused on a new machine

well fk luckily you can get them now for round 15 bucks

[Mr.Meerkat]

Get the 1600 as it comes with a stock cooler otherwise the rest is fine  

Plus your current PSU should be okay so I'd say don't bother upgrading. 

[Brooksie359]

9 minutes ago, SlipperyPete said:

yes. most windows keys are tied to the motherboard and once activated cannot be reused on a new machine

i mean that's not really the case tbh. yeah sometimes it doesn't work but most of the time you can just reuse the same oem key. i know i used the same oem key on my new ryzen build that i had used for my previous build. it just deactivates the windows key on the previous build. it may not work every time but i would say that it works enough to warrant trying the oem key first. 

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

Get the 1600 as it comes with a stock cooler otherwise the rest is fine  

Plus your current PSU should be okay so I'd say don't bother upgrading. 

im not sure about that one. 350 watts with a 6 core and a dedicated gpu is kinda cutting it close if not going over. i would have to look at power draw numbers for the 960 and the 1600 but part of me just want to point out that you cant overclock on a 350 watt power supply so i would upgrade. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

im not sure about that one. 350 watts with a 6 core and a dedicated gpu is kinda cutting it close if not going over. i would have to look at power draw numbers for the 960 and the 1600 but part of me just want to point out that you cant overclock on a 350 watt power supply so i would upgrade. 

*cough cough* the 960 only consumes about 85-100 watts while the 1600 consumes about 60-100 watts...that leaves 150 watts in reserve for the motherboard, RAM, drives ect. ect. which may drive the maximum power consumption to 250 when everything is being utilised. I don't see any issues  

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

*cough cough* the 960 only consumes about 85-100 watts while the 1600 consumes about 100 watts...that leaves 150 watts in reserve for the motherboard, RAM, drives ect. ect. which may drive the maximum power consumption to 250 when everything is being utilised. I don't see any issues  

but overclocking can change that quick. plus you don't really want to get any where near max load tbh. with both the gpu and the cpu overclocked it could definitely go over. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

but overclocking can change that quick. plus you don't really want to get any where near max load tbh. with both the gpu and the cpu overclocked it could definitely go over. 

A stock 960 consumes 85 watts underload while a stock 1600X while gaming consumes 60 watts, even when both are OCed, as long as furmark and P95 Small FFT is not ran at the same time, you won't be hitting anywhere near 300 watts. 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

A stock 960 consumes 85 watts underload while a stock 1600X while gaming consumes 60 watts, even when both are OCed, as long as furmark and P95 Small FFT is not ran at the same time, you won't be hitting anywhere near 300 watts. 

http://www.techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/page6.html looks to me like it is more than that. plus it even says the power consumption is insane when you overclock so the 350 watt would not allow them to overclock the cpu like i said. you are trying to say that you should build a system that will barely consume less than the max amount the power supply do but you don't even think about a buffer zone. there is always ways that things can act abnormally and go above what is expected and if you have no wiggle room you will have your computer crash. me i personally like to play it safe and have a psu that has ample enough wattage for my needs. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

54 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

http://www.techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/page6.html looks to me like it is more than that. plus it even says the power consumption is insane when you overclock so the 350 watt would not allow them to overclock the cpu like i said. you are trying to say that you should build a system that will barely consume less than the max amount the power supply do but you don't even think about a buffer zone. there is always ways that things can act abnormally and go above what is expected and if you have no wiggle room you will have your computer crash. me i personally like to play it safe and have a psu that has ample enough wattage for my needs. 

I was basing my figures off THW

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,review-33858-9.html

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,review-33113-8.html

 

And yes, frankly only gaming numbers matter as there's no reason for your to be running P95 small FFT and furmark at the same time  

 

Edit: Also, why does OP have to OC? You do know some people don't OC right? 

[Brooksie359]

7 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

I was basing my figures off THW

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,review-33858-9.html

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,review-33113-8.html

 

And yes, frankly only gaming numbers matter as there's no reason for your to be running P95 small FFT and furmark at the same time  

 

Edit: Also, why does OP have to OC? You do know some people don't OC right? 

they are getting a motherboard that supports overclocking and a cpu that supports overclocking so i don't see why you wouldn't. you are going purely off of gaming benchmarks which is a crap way of figuring out the max power draw of a system. if you don't care about your computer crashing ever time you do anything on it that is out of the norm then sure you can go based on the gaming benchmarks but that isn't taking into account anything else running on your system while you are playing and ti doesn't give a good representation of the possible peak load. this is basically the same as putting the max capacity of an elevator at its literal max capacity under ideal conditions. nobody would do that because then the elevator would probably fail under loading conditions that are under its max capacity. the thing is most of the times things fail it isn't under ideal conditions and it could be avoided by just having some extra headroom for safety purposes. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

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350 watt is perfectly enough for a 1600 and 960 at stock clocks (not everybody OCs, if OP wants 16GB RAM and a 1600, he should accept that he can't OC), even if you are running Furmark+P95 Small FTT at the same time (90+190=270 watts, 300~ total system). end of discussion

 

Gaming power draws the most accurate picture of the power consumption while "typical" usage so...ya know...

Also, any good PSU should be able to supply a bit more than whats rated for as there's two ratings for a PSU, peak and continuous.

 

Finally, what would you rather have? 1600+16GB RAM or 1500X+16GB RAM+PSU? 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

350 watt is perfectly enough for a 1600 and 960 at stock clocks (not everybody OCs, if OP wants 16GB RAM and a 1600, he should accept that he can't OC), even if you are running Furmark+P95 Small FTT at the same time (90+190=270 watts, 300~ total system). end of discussion

 

Gaming power draws the most accurate picture of the power consumption while "typical" usage so...ya know...

Also, any good PSU should be able to supply a bit more than whats rated for as there's two ratings for a PSU, peak and continuous.

 

Finally, what would you rather have? 1600+16GB RAM or 1500X+16GB RAM+PSU? 

1600 one 8gb stick of ram and a new psu tbh.

[Tauwer]

9 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

350 watt is perfectly enough for a 1600 and 960 at stock clocks (not everybody OCs, if OP wants 16GB RAM and a 1600, he should accept that he can't OC), even if you are running Furmark+P95 Small FTT at the same time (90+190=270 watts, 300~ total system). end of discussion

 

Gaming power draws the most accurate picture of the power consumption while "typical" usage so...ya know...

Also, any good PSU should be able to supply a bit more than whats rated for as there's two ratings for a PSU, peak and continuous.

 

Finally, what would you rather have? 1600+16GB RAM or 1500X+16GB RAM+PSU? 

i was planning on buying the upgrade than get a semi modular 450 watt power supply so i have a bit more headroom (or 500) i was not going to overclock on this psu for sure.

[Mr.Meerkat]

52 minutes ago, Tauwer said:

i was planning on buying the upgrade than get a semi modular 450 watt power supply so i have a bit more headroom (or 500) i was not going to overclock on this psu for sure.

Yeah, if you kept everything stock then it should be fine. 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Tauwer said:

i was planning on buying the upgrade than get a semi modular 450 watt power supply so i have a bit more headroom (or 500) i was not going to overclock on this psu for sure.

that should work. just be wary that you may have the computer crash if something strange with the power happens before you upgrade your psu.