3570K getting long in the tooth?

[Thorimus]

I'm still running an old non-OC 3570K (Z77 boards are shittingly expensive these days) in my rig, and TBH it's holding up quite well. But the release of Kaby Lakegot me thinking: what kind of performance improvements would I get from upgrading to a 7600K OC? I'm planning to upgrade my GPU next and get a 1440p monitor, would my current CPU be a bottleneck?

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Thorimus said:

But the release of Kaby Lakegot me thinking: what kind of performance improvements would I get from upgrading to a 7600K OC?

The 7600K is not worth it... If you want to upgrade, get a 7700(non K) and a B250 motherboard...

[WereCat]

Not worth it. Either get the i7 7700k or Ryzen 5 1600.

[Thorimus]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Not worth it. Either get the i7 7700k or Ryzen 5 1600.

So... no noticeable bottleneck with, say, a GTX 1070?

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Not worth it. Either get the i7 7700k or Ryzen 5 1600.

The 1600 won't be that big of an upgrade for gaming....

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Thorimus said:

So... no noticeable bottleneck with, say, a GTX 1070?

Resolution?

[WereCat]

Just now, Thorimus said:

So... no noticeable bottleneck with, say, a GTX 1070?

Not really.

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

The 1600 won't be that big of an upgrade for gaming....

It will if OP is willing to OC and invest in 3000MHz+ RAM.

[Thorimus]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Resolution?

1440p

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

It will if OP is willing to OC and invest in 3000MHz+ RAM.

3000MHz+ RAM won't make Ryzen as fast as an i7....

 

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Thorimus said:

1440p

You shouldn't have a bottleneck with your 3570K. IMO, you should upgrade to a used 3770K, 3770Ks are pretty cheap on ebay right now....

[roylapoutre]

Not worth it at all. Especially if you go for 1440p and don't want 120+fps. My gf is using a 3570k at 4.4GHz with a GTX 980 at 1080p and it's not holding back the GPU in any title (except WD2). You'd be much better off upgrading your GPU and monitor first and see if the performance is ok for your needs. And later, you could eventually upgrade to something like a 7700k if you want to eliminate any bottleneck

[WereCat]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

3000MHz+ RAM won't make Ryzen as fast as an i7....

 

FFS... I am not saying anything about R5 1600 being faster than i7 in games, I am saying that it makes no sense to get i5 7600k over R5 1600.

[CostcoSamples]

The cost to upgrade to i5 7600k is not worth it.  You could get very similar performance just by upgrading to i7 3770k, which would cost you very little.  Buy a 3770k for $250 and sell the 3570k for $100.

 

i5 7600k vs i7 3770k will be a relatively close tie.  

 

And yes, the 3570k will bottleneck a 1070.

[Thorimus]

1 minute ago, CostcoSamples said:

And yes, the 3570k will bottleneck a 1070.

Noticed you're running a 4690K with a 1070. Any bottlenecks there?

[CostcoSamples]

1 minute ago, Thorimus said:

Noticed you're running a 4690K with a 1070. Any bottlenecks there?

Yes, a little.  I get a decent FPS bump when I OC to 4.6 ghz.  I've been thinking about upgrading to i7 4790k.

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

Yes, a little.  I get a decent FPS bump when I OC to 4.6 ghz.  I've been thinking about upgrading to i7 4790k.

Do it. You will get much higher FPS in newer games....

[PCGuy_5960]

8 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

i5 7600k vs i7 3770k will be a relatively close tie.  

I think that the 3770K is a bit faster....

[crzyces]

3 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

Not worth it at all. Especially if you go for 1440p and don't want 120+fps. My gf is using a 3570k at 4.4GHz with a GTX 980 at 1080p and it's not holding back the GPU in any title (except WD2). You'd be much better off upgrading your GPU and monitor first and see if the performance is ok for your needs. And later, you could eventually upgrade to something like a 7700k if you want to eliminate any bottleneck

Exactly. If you are not going with a Ryzen build and are just gaming, a good cpu air cooler in a case with good ventilation will let you severely overclock. My backup pc has a 3570k, runs at 4.2 stable with the stock fan, the gpu and psu fan. That's it, and I bought it upon release (like a week later).

 

I would not upgrade the board and cpu to a 6 or 7 series as, well, they aren't making any more cpu's for it, and you'll just end up having to get a new board and cpu when ddr5 becomes commonplace. IMO, the performance gain is just not worth it now. If you want a cheap upgrade to stream, game, and record at the same time, do a cheap upgrade; an x5650+board+ddr3 sells for around $150-$200 on ebay. It's easy enough to oc this 6 core 12 thread Xeon to 4.5+. That's less than the 7700 without a board and RAM, and can do far more, while being a slight upgrade to the 3570k and not bottleneck a 1080ti, never mind a 1070.

 

So you get a big upgrade for $200-$250 usd. Then, when all the new chips are released, you can go all out on a full upgrade. That's what I would do at least.

[DexterSmythe]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I think that the 3770K is a bit faster....

Single core the i5 7600k wins, but multi-core the i7 3770k wins by a little.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, CapedCrusader21 said:

Single core the i5 7600k wins, but multi-core the i7 3770k wins by a little.

Yes, but newer games do take advantage of hyperthreading....

[CostcoSamples]

1 minute ago, CapedCrusader21 said:

Single core the i5 7600k wins, but multi-core the i7 3770k wins by a little.

 

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes, but newer games do take advantage of hyperthreading....

 

Considering price and performance, it makes no sense to upgrade to 7600k when 3770k is an option.  The only way it makes sense is if OP needs new features such as USB 3.1 or NVME.

[Not_Sean]

I'm in the not worth it Camp. I do agree try go for a 3770, jsut got one in the project PC and its handling everything I throw at it. you need to remember intel has done the bare minimum improvement over the years only big area is TDP, you good with what you got. 

 

Even the bottleneck will have minimum affect on gaming FPS. people need to stop thinking of a bottleneck as this big monster that smashes your FPS. all it means is one part is faster than the other but if they all running at crazy speeds than you have a crazy speed bottleneck. just look at the Scrapyard war PC's hell they throwing big GPU's into Core2Quad systems. 

 

 

[crzyces]

27 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

I'm in the not worth it Camp. I do agree try go for a 3770, jsut got one in the project PC and its handling everything I throw at it. you need to remember intel has done the bare minimum improvement over the years only big area is TDP, you good with what you got. 

 

Even the bottleneck will have minimum affect on gaming FPS. people need to stop thinking of a bottleneck as this big monster that smashes your FPS. all it means is one part is faster than the other but if they all running at crazy speeds than you have a crazy speed bottleneck. just look at the Scrapyard war PC's hell they throwing big GPU's into Core2Quad systems. 

 

 

This why those x5650 and and Xeon 1230 v3 builds are getting so popular on Ebay. Especially the 1230 v3 as you get all the advantages, usb 3.1, pcie x16 3.0 x2 dedicated (so the lanes aren't split into 2 x8 slots), usually a x8 pcie 3.0, and a bunch of pci x slots, along with sata 3, m.2, Thunderbolt support, and ddr4. It's nuts the performance people are getting with sub $650 builds (Most of which goes to the gpu). I still prefer the $5650 as it's a 6/12 and the 1230 is a 4/8, but man are they great budget builds.

 

New=Ryzen. Used Systems= Old gen Xeons . With games going CPU core nuts finally, 4 decent real cores is a must, though yeah, you can still game on a Q6600 OC'd, you do lose a lot if you put more than a 1050 ti or 460 in it.

[Not_Sean]

2 minutes ago, crzyces said:

This why those x5650 and and Xeon 1230 v3 builds are getting so popular on Ebay. Especially the 1230 v3 as you get all the advantages, usb 3.1, pcie x16 3.0 x2 dedicated (so the lanes aren't split into 2 x8 slots), usually a x8 pcie 3.0, and a bunch of pci x slots, along with sata 3, m.2, Thunderbolt support, and ddr4. It's nuts the performance people are getting with sub $650 builds (Most of which goes to the gpu). I still prefer the $5650 as it's a 6/12 and the 1230 is a 4/8, but man are they great budget builds.

 

New=Ryzen. Used Systems= Old gen Xeons . With games going CPU core nuts finally, 4 decent real cores is a must, though yeah, you can still game on a Q6600 OC'd, you do lose a lot if you put more than a 1050 ti or 460 in it.

If I didn't get my project PC mostly for free I would have gone with the 5650 builds, it is fantastic value for money. 

And don't be so Quick to knock em, We ran a Q8400 with my 980 and it did really really well, Yeah CPU useage was at 100% all the time in games but FPS really didn't suffer. Think the 660 would be such a sweet point for that CPU. 

[crzyces]

32 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

If I didn't get my project PC mostly for free I would have gone with the 5650 builds, it is fantastic value for money. 

And don't be so Quick to knock em, We ran a Q8400 with my 980 and it did really really well, Yeah CPU useage was at 100% all the time in games but FPS really didn't suffer. Think the 660 would be such a sweet point for that CPU. 

You could probably get a 970 to run decent on a severly oc'd Q8400; if not, a 770 2 gig "I" think would probably be the 1:1 ratio. And I am not selling the Q6600 Short. It can compete with modern consoles. I saw a 3rd gen 13 with a gtx 550 ti 1gb running Mass Effect Andromeda @ 19-35 fps with what looked like console graphics, so...