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1 minute ago, The_Askinator said:

Okay, so it's not bottle necked, that's cool, why not just use a M.2. drive, I heard Samsung's 960's pros can reach higher speeds than this.. So, why not just get one of those drives?

Samsung's 960 Pro has far higher latency, much lower random IO performance, and much less write endurance.

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Hi!  I was wondering why intel didn't decide to use X16 PCI lane for faster speeds, or just roll out a dedicated Optane interface which would allow the drive to reach maximum speeds?  If this drive is for datacenters, not rendering farms, they should have just used X16 input for fast speeds because there won't be a graphics card in the slot.  What about when rolling out their compatibility specs to motherboard makers, not include a "optane port" just specifically designed for optane based drives so they can reach their full potential..  I really don't understand why they didn't do this.  Please tell me if I'm wrong, but, if M.2. NVME drives are faster than PCI based slots, why didn't they use M.2. support for faster drives?  If they were worried about consumers, they could have made a normal optane based SSD which supports current motherboards (like the one that exists now) and then made a optane based SSD which uses a dedicated Optane port or some faster interface for data center use..

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1 minute ago, The_Askinator said:

M.2. NVME drives are faster than PCI based slots, why didn't they use M.2. support for faster drives?  I

NVME drives can be M.2 OR PCI based, so they run at similar speeds when maxed.

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With NVME, M.2 is just a connector, it uses either sata or PCIe for the data transfer.

 

Servers can use GPUs for more than just rendering. Xeon phi cards are specifically meant for computing.

Also there are network cards, raid cards, and a bunch of other stuff that needs to use server PCIe lanes.

 

 

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1 minute ago, The_Askinator said:

What about the use of an optane port?

Well you can have a specilized interface, but thats anouther controller on the cpu, more pincs on the socket. Pcie is already very fast and not a limit for optane. No reason not to use pcie.

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8 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

NVME drives can be M.2 OR PCI based, so they run at similar speeds when maxed.

No.

 

NVMe drives are NEVER based on PCI, but they are ALWAYS based on PCIe. Whether that PCIe connection is provided by a traditional PCIe slot, or a connector such as M.2 or U.2, is irrelevant.

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11 minutes ago, The_Askinator said:

Hi!  I was wondering why intel didn't decide to use X16 PCI lane for faster speeds, or just roll out a dedicated Optane interface which would allow the drive to reach maximum speeds?  If this drive is for datacenters, not rendering farms, they should have just used X16 input for fast speeds because there won't be a graphics card in the slot.  What about when rolling out their compatibility specs to motherboard makers, not include a "optane port" just specifically designed for optane based drives so they can reach their full potential..  I really don't understand why they didn't do this.  Please tell me if I'm wrong, but, if M.2. NVME drives are faster than PCI based slots, why didn't they use M.2. support for faster drives?  If they were worried about consumers, they could have made a normal optane based SSD which supports current motherboards (like the one that exists now) and then made a optane based SSD which uses a dedicated Optane port or some faster interface for data center use..

They do not need faster sequential throughput. Besides, the first Optane drive is not bottlenecked by the PCIe 3.0 x4 connection.

 

You're assuming that there will be a graphics card slot, but that's not necessarily a viable assumption since these drives are not going into consumer motherboards.

 

M.2 NVMe is not faster than PCIe. M.2 is just a connector that can pass along a PCIe signal, just the same way a PCIe slot does. And the NVMe protocol can work on a PCIe link provided by either an M.2 slot or a PCIe slot (or other slots that provide a PCIe connection, such as U.2).

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1 minute ago, The_Askinator said:

Interesting, can someone explain how PCI doesen't limit the Optane speeds?

Specs say it tops out at a little over 2 GB/s. PCI is not relevant, that's outdated technology. A PCIe 3.0 x4 connection, which is what they're using for the first Optane products, allows up to 3.94 GB/s.

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Specs say it tops out at a little over 2 GB/s. PCI is not relevant, that's outdated technology. A PCIe 3.0 x4 connection, which is what they're using for the first Optane products, allows up to 3.94 GB/s.

Okay, so it's not bottle necked, that's cool, why not just use a M.2. drive, I heard Samsung's 960's pros can reach higher speeds than this.. So, why not just get one of those drives?

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1 minute ago, The_Askinator said:

Okay, so it's not bottle necked, that's cool, why not just use a M.2. drive, I heard Samsung's 960's pros can reach higher speeds than this.. So, why not just get one of those drives?

Samsung's 960 Pro has far higher latency, much lower random IO performance, and much less write endurance.

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