Putting a Rig Together with a $3k Budget

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, Exprima said:

Not a fan of the way the Water 3.0 looks and I like to match brands lol.

Haha, fair enough, I just chose a cheaper AIO. Any of them would do, but the one you picked seemed unnecessarily expensive.

Most of the time I'd make fun of people for brand matching in a PC where you won't see the PSU or really the cooler, but in this case it makes sense provided they both make use of CorsairLink.

 

Though seriously, 960 Evo over the Corsair SSD. You won't even see it. It's pointless to pay more to sacrifice performance.

[bgibbz]

32 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Plus a much increased chance of failure. Granted, he picked an expensive drive. There are cheaper ways to get that kind of storage, WD Blues for example.

Well sure, but the failure chance is still miniscule. regardless of whether or not you are running raid 0, if you value your data you should be doing regular bakcups. Also, keep in mind that a single sample set is useless. What I mean by this is you won't  necessarily see an increase in failures in real world, PC use. In a data center, the increased failure rate would be obvious.  In a pc environment, if we had 3 drives, with 2 of them in raid 0, there is a 33% chance the lone drive failed first. In the scope of 3 drives, 33% isn't much different than 66%.

 

[Exprima]

22 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, fair enough, I just chose a cheaper AIO. Any of them would do, but the one you picked seemed unnecessarily expensive.

Most of the time I'd make fun of people for brand matching in a PC where you won't see the PSU or really the cooler, but in this case it makes sense provided they both make use of CorsairLink.

 

Though seriously, 960 Evo over the Corsair SSD. You won't even see it. It's pointless to pay more to sacrifice performance.

Well tbf the NZXT X52 is SEXY lol. Yeah the Samsung over MP500 def makes sense. I do have another question, tho. If I stick to just a regular SATA SSD boot drive over NVME to save a few hundred am I gonna notice a huge drop in performance? 500gb NVME vs 500gb SATA is like a $200 difference, and I'm mostly gonna be just playing games and doing everyday tasks. I do occasionally use GIMP but I'm no photo editing pro by any means.

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, bgibbz said:

Well sure, but the failure chance is still miniscule. regardless of whether or not you are running raid 0, if you value your data you should be doing regular bakcups. Also, keep in mind that a single sample set is useless. What I mean by this is you won't  necessarily see an increase in failures in real world, PC use. In a data center, the increased failure rate would be obvious.  In a pc environment, if we had 3 drives, with 2 of them in raid 0, there is a 33% chance the lone drive failed first. In the scope of 3 drives, 33% isn't much different than 66%.

 

Don't forget about other things that can fail, like the array itself, not just the drives themselves.

In real world performance for what he'd be using it for RAID makes absolutely no sense.

[samiscool51]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

• Get a cheaper PSU

that is the last thing you cheep out on in a system!

NO. MATTER. WHAT.

anyways, those systems are good but it's better to get a 1TB M.2 ssd as boot and mass storage

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, Exprima said:

Well tbf the NZXT X52 is SEXY lol. Yeah the Samsung over MP500 def makes sense. I do have another question, tho. If I stick to just a regular SATA SSD boot drive over NVME to save a few hundred am I gonna notice a huge drop in performance? 500gb NVME vs 500gb SATA is like a $200 difference, and I'm mostly gonna be just playing games and doing everyday tasks. I do occasionally use GIMP but I'm no photo editing pro by any means.

Nope. Things will load slightly slower. By slightly slower I mean seconds. I really doubt you'd notice unless you had each system side by side. Haha, yeah the price difference is crazy. For that kind of machine, definitely go for SATA.

I'd only suggest NVMe if you're going all out, or if you're going with a 1TB drive.

Actually, it depends with SATA drive. If you're going with an MX300, SATA. If you're thinking 850 EVO, look at the 600p.

It's only $4 more and I think it's significantly faster (SATA vs NVMe).

[Exprima]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Nope. Things will load slightly slower. By slightly slower I mean seconds. I really doubt you'd notice unless you had each system side by side. Haha, yeah the price difference is crazy. For that kind of machine, definitely go for SATA.

I'd only suggest NVMe if you're going all out, or if you're going with a 1TB drive.

Actually, it depends with SATA drive. If you're going with an MX300, SATA. If you're thinking 850 EVO, look at the 600p.

It's only $4 more and I think it's significantly faster (SATA vs NVMe).

So far I'm leaning towards the 525gb MX300 for boot and maybe my most used programs and this HDD for storage. Seem like a good set up?

[dizmo]

6 minutes ago, samiscool51 said:

that is the last thing you cheep out on in a system!

NO. MATTER. WHAT.

anyways, those systems are good but it's better to get a 1TB M.2 ssd as boot and mass storage

I agree. However cheaper doesn't mean cheap.

You'll notice that in his original build he has a Titanium rated $150 650w PSU.

The $88 Gold rated PSU I put in my build suggestion is a better value, and still tier 1 I believe.

4 minutes ago, Exprima said:

So far I'm leaning towards the 525gb MX300 for boot and maybe my most used programs and this HDD for storage. Seem like a good set up?

I've had bad experiences with Seagate, but that's a personal thing. So if you want to go for it, by all means.

Do you play a lot of games? If not, or if they're smaller, you can get away with the 525GB.

If you play games like GTA, Red Ded, Battlefield...you'll find you quickly run out of space.

The 1.1TB MX300 is only $265. Nothing's more frustrating that having to move things around due to space.

I had a 240GB and I could only have 4ish games installed at once.

[Exprima]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I agree. However cheaper doesn't mean cheap.

You'll notice that in his original build he has a Titanium rated $150 650w PSU.

The $88 Gold rated PSU I put in my build suggestion is a better value, and still tier 1 I believe.

I've had bad experiences with Seagate, but that's a personal thing. So if you want to go for it, by all means.

Do you play a lot of games? If not, or if they're smaller, you can get away with the 525GB.

If you play games like GTA, Red Ded, Battlefield...you'll find you quickly run out of space.

The 1.1TB MX300 is only $265. Nothing's more frustrating that having to move things around due to space.

I had a 240GB and I could only have 4ish games installed at once.

Oh I'm sorry I've never used SSDs before, haha. I was thinking I could just put them on the HDD because it's still 7200rpm. Is there a huge drop in performance?

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Exprima said:

Oh I'm sorry I've never used SSDs before, haha. I was thinking I could just put them on the HDD because it's still 7200rpm. Is there a huge drop in performance?

Yes there is a big performance difference between an SSD and HDD. 

[Exprima]

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Yes there is a big performance difference between an SSD and HDD. 

Even in games?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Exprima said:

Even in games?

Things load up (Games and boot up time) much quicker from an SSD if that is what you mean. 

[Exprima]

2 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Things load up (Games and boot up time) much quicker from an SSD if that is what you mean. 

If it's just load times I don't think I would mind that too much.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Exprima said:

Oh I'm sorry I've never used SSDs before, haha. I was thinking I could just put them on the HDD because it's still 7200rpm. Is there a huge drop in performance?

HDDs are much, much slower than an SSD.

I'll never have an HDD in my system again.

[Exprima]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

HDDs are much, much slower than an SSD.

I'll never have an HDD in my system again.

My laptop has a 120gb SSD and a 1tb HDD and I don't mind the speeds too much, ofc I don't game on my laptop much at all. So besides load times, are there other advantages to SSDs for gaming?

[dizmo]

15 minutes ago, Exprima said:

My laptop has a 120gb SSD and a 1tb HDD and I don't mind the speeds too much, ofc I don't game on my laptop much at all. So besides load times, are there other advantages to SSDs for gaming?

Not really. 

But for someone who was considering RAIDing 2 SSDs, going with an HDD for programs seems... Odd. 

[Exprima]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Not really. 

But for someone who was considering RAIDing 2 SSDs, going with an HDD for programs seems... Odd. 

Was mostly considering doing it because I have the means, but the more I thought about it the more I started thinking about the relative value of things.

[IHirs]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CAPTAIN 240EX WHITE 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($244.94 @ Jet) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($589.89 @ B&H) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($589.89 @ B&H) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: AOC AG271QG 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($649.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Corsair STRAFE Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse  ($36.00 @ Amazon) 
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers  ($69.99 @ Best Buy) 
Other: windows 10 oem ($25.00)
Total: $3003.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-25 19:50 EST-0500

[Exprima]

19 minutes ago, IHirs said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CAPTAIN 240EX WHITE 153.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z270-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($134.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($92.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($244.94 @ Jet) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($589.89 @ B&H) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($589.89 @ B&H) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: Acer XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($699.98 @ NCIX US) 
Keyboard: Corsair STRAFE Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse  ($36.00 @ Amazon) 
Other: windows 10 oem ($25.00)
Total: $2995.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-25 19:24 EST-0500

Don't think I'd be comfortable with SLI 1080 on a 650w PSU, but this is a really good build. I'll def consider.

[IHirs]

1 minute ago, Exprima said:

Don't think I'd be comfortable with SLI 1080 on a 650w PSU, but this is a really good build. I'll def consider.

good point, fixed its $3 over budget now because i forgot speakers