Bottleneck?

[apparentlyarhm]

I finally got a GT 730 2GB GDDR5 from Zotac.

After using it for a Month, I think it suits me well!

Yesterday I finally installed GTA V on my PC and its performance wasn't good. The game works smooth @720p High for some time and start to slow down and it continues until I get frustrated by this. My CPU is still The ageing C2D E8400 and RAM 6 GB.

I think the issue is the CPU? But, I have installed the game on a external HDD. Could It be the cause?

I do not face this problem on games (Crysis2, NFS MW 12, Grid Autosport,etc. It performs well@720p)

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, Muffi said:

I finally got a GT 730 2GB GDDR5 from Zotac.

After using it for a Month, I think it suits me well!

Yesterday I finally installed GTA V on my PC and its performance wasn't good. The game works smooth @720p High for some time and start to slow down and it continues until I get frustrated by this. My CPU is still The ageing C2D E8400 and RAM 6 GB.

I think the issue is the CPU? But, I have installed the game on a external HDD. Could It be the cause?

I do not face this problem on games (Crysis2, NFS MW 12, Grid Autosport,etc. It performs well@720p)

GTA V is a CPU intensive Title, it requires much more performance from the CPU (processing weather, NPCs, car collisions and a bunch of other things) than in titles like NFS MW  which has a very small number of things the processor needs to concern himself with, decreasing Graphical Quality like resolution and other things will not make it run smoother since the bottleneck here isn't the GPU but the CPU.

 

If you want to play games like GTA V, ACU and other CPU demanding titles you will need to consider a higher end CPU, Also external HDD is by no means advised for gaming since it also may provoke bottlenecks as the Write/Read speeds are far too low.

[TheRandomness]

It's an incredibly weak GPU in the first place... your processor is probably being bottlenecked by it

[Mira Yurizaki]

It could be using up more and more RAM until it gets full and page swapping begins.

 

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

If you want to play games like GTA V, ACU and other CPU demanding titles you will need to consider a higher end CPU, Also external HDD is by no means advised for gaming since it also may provoke bottlenecks as the Write/Read speeds are far too low.

If it's a USB 2.0 drive, sure. But USB 3.0 has more than enough bandwidth for HDDs. It might cause a penalty in latency though, but not bandwidth.

[Misanthrope]

Both your processor and CPU are too low end to know which is bottlenecking which since both are well, quite insufficient for a game like GTA V. Just consider how the game looks on the xbox 360 version and remember and lower your settings until you get about that level of detail, which will be quite ugly but way smoother.

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It could be using up more and more RAM until it gets full and page swapping begins.

 

If it's a USB 2.0 drive, sure. But USB 3.0 has more than enough bandwidth for HDDs. It might cause a penalty in latency though, but not bandwidth.

True, however still not the most advisable route to go, I also believe he could be running out of RAM, making the system depend on the Virtual Memory which will cause major performance decreases, if anything this rig isn't prepared for GTA V, I personally feel the GT730 should never be bought in order to play games, if you're short on money the best way is to try an used 500's series GTX or Radeon equivalent.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

True, however still not the most advisable route to go, I also believe he could be running out of RAM, making the system depend on the Virtual Memory which will cause major performance decreases, if anything this rig isn't prepared for GTA V, I personally feel the GT730 should never be bought in order to play games, if you're short on money the best way is to try an used 500's series GTX or Radeon equivalent.

Oh wait. I brain farted. LGA775 was before the time of USB 3.0 and I doubt they installed a add-on card.

[hconverse02]

That's a low end system you will have a hard time running anything on high.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Anyway, I'm still going to say GTAV is eating through all of your RAM OP that it's resorting to page swapping on the basis you mentioned it starts smooth, then gets worse over time.

 

If you want to test if it's really a processing issue, start the game in a place where it's most heavy, like in the city.

[apparentlyarhm]

Guys i typed it wrong. It STUTTERS, not slows down.

So basically At this moment, I can't do anything about the CPU, but what I CAN do is move the game to internal HDD and install a 2 GB Ram stick in my PC.(8 GB total)

Will doing this improve the condition?

 

I know that GT730 not meant for gaming but I am satisfied by its performance so far.

 

I'm planning to get a Acer veriton SFF with a I3 4150 (maybe?) and 8GIGs of DDR3 Ram , as my GPU came with a low profile bracket. I think it will do the trick.

[apparentlyarhm]

Guys I dont think its the CPU.

I have watched at least 3 videos in which they play GTA 5 without stutter, on a C2D.

Should I try changing the OS? I dont have important files on my PC so I don't need a backup.

 

[Legacyxblood401]

1 hour ago, Muffi said:

Guys I dont think its the CPU.

I have watched at least 3 videos in which they play GTA 5 without stutter, on a C2D.

Should I try changing the OS? I dont have important files on my PC so I don't need a backup.

 

If you can return the card and spend only 20 more get the 1050

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

22 hours ago, Muffi said:

I finally got a GT 730 2GB GDDR5 from Zotac.

After using it for a Month, I think it suits me well!

Yesterday I finally installed GTA V on my PC and its performance wasn't good. The game works smooth @720p High for some time and start to slow down and it continues until I get frustrated by this. My CPU is still The ageing C2D E8400 and RAM 6 GB.

I think the issue is the CPU? But, I have installed the game on a external HDD. Could It be the cause?

I do not face this problem on games (Crysis2, NFS MW 12, Grid Autosport,etc. It performs well@720p)

GTA 5

Minimum System Requirements

• OS: Windows 8.1 64 Bit, Windows 8 64 Bit, Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1, Windows Vista 64 Bit Service Pack 2* (*NVIDIA video card recommended if running Vista OS)
• Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs) / AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs) @ 2.5GHz
• Memory: 4GB
• Video Card: NVIDIA 9800 GT 1GB / AMD HD 4870 1GB (DX 10, 10.1, 11)
• Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
• HDD Space: 65GB
• DVD Drive

 

Recommended System Requirements

• OS: Windows 8.1 64 Bit, Windows 8 64 Bit, Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1
• Processor: Intel Core i5 3470 @ 3.2GHZ (4 CPUs) / AMD X8 FX-8350 @ 4GHZ (8 CPUs)
• Memory: 8GB
• Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 660 2GB / AMD HD7870 2GB
• Sound Card: 100% DirectX 10 compatible
• HDD Space: 65GB
• DVD Drive

[apparentlyarhm]

OK, I give up. 

I can't get the C2D to perform.

so I'm thinking to get a core 2 quad Q6600. How will it perform with GTA 5?

 

Also, I can't get an appropriate price, can anybody suggest me?

This is the best I can afford. (Core 2 Quad series, being a 15yr old who relies on a father) :-P  

[i_build_nanosuits]

18 minutes ago, Muffi said:

OK, I give up. 

I can't get the C2D to perform.

so I'm thinking to get a core 2 quad Q6600. How will it perform with GTA 5?

 

Also, I can't get an appropriate price, can anybody suggest me?

This is the best I can afford. (Core 2 Quad series, being a 15yr old who relies on a father) :-P  

Q6600 will be a bit better but you have to understand this CPU turned 10 years old this year so in terms of per core performance and instructions per clock cycle it can process it's very very low when compared to current hardware...you should be able to get around 30FPS @ 720p if you tweak the settings properly...AKA, puttin most things on low/off...

as for price...a Q6600 is worth around 15$ online.

[apparentlyarhm]

wait a minute....

 

After installing windows 7, I noticed that stutters were less but frame rates were also low, but with windows 10, stutters were more frequent but game worked smooth b/w the stutters.

 

after 'googling' a bit, I found that many people are experiencing stutters on windows 10.

Could this mean something? After seeing this i have a positive feeling that something Is holding the CPU back, in Windows.

I think it can perform better.

[Princess Luna]

15 minutes ago, Muffi said:

wait a minute....

 

After installing windows 7, I noticed that stutters were less but frame rates were also low, but with windows 10, stutters were more frequent but game worked smooth b/w the stutters.

 

after 'googling' a bit, I found that many people are experiencing stutters on windows 10.

Could this mean something? After seeing this i have a positive feeling that something Is holding the CPU back, in Windows.

I think it can perform better.

No wonders, that CPU is so old it should have something like WinXP running on it, Win7 is also "older" and less demanding than 10, so stick with it.

But consider upgrading when you have means to, I can't imagine playing at 720p 30fps is worth getting spoiled on the game, I would rather wait like I have already a couple of years and then build high end then finally play everything. No regrets.

[Mira Yurizaki]

21 minutes ago, Muffi said:

after 'googling' a bit, I found that many people are experiencing stutters on windows 10.

Could this mean something? After seeing this i have a positive feeling that something Is holding the CPU back, in Windows.

I think it can perform better.

Windows 10 by itself doesn't mean anything. I can play GTA V just fine without stuttering.

 

But you should be using an OS more appropriate for the time period, i.e. Windows 7. Newer software may be wanting hardware features or is doing something that it expects from newer hardware and it has hacks to emulate the feature if it's not available. But this should be an extremely rare thing in an OS.

[apparentlyarhm]

Ok people!

I finally installed Windows 8.1!

I noticed a significant reduce in stutters and increase in FPS!

Now, I think the existing stutters are because of the processor but the game is playable at 1366x768 Nearly Normal settings(Upto 60FPS) And I'm f***ing happy!!!

Thank you guys so much for assisting in my 'sad days'!!?  

I'm definately going to buy a quad core. ??

 

[Darkseth]

good that it works for you.

 

For the Future: If you reduce the Settings ingame by a good amount, and the stutter/fps do NOT get better (or even same fps), you are in a pretty hard CPU Limit. In that Case, your GPU should have less than 100% usage if you monitor it with Afterburner or something.

 

That's a nice easy way to see, if your CPU is the Problem or not. And in that case, the fps you get, are the best your CPU can deliver. Only thing that would help here, is a faster CPU^^

[apparentlyarhm]

Yes, I noticed it.

In Windows 7, I was getting around 25-30 FPS

no matter what settings. (I never tried V-high)

I had to turn Vsync on in order to lock it at 30 FPS, but I gotta say, it did a good job at increasing the frames.

[apparentlyarhm]

Ayyyy

I have a new problem and i posted it but nobody replied ??

so, I'm posting it here.

 

Now my problem is that the C2Q Q6600 isn't listed as compatible in the HP technical guide, but uses the same socket (LGA 775) as my C2D E8400. The technical guide lists other C2Q's like: Q8200, Q9400, Q9550 and Q9650. Should I buy the Q6600 Or look for alternatives? Can you suggest some alternatives? 

Fast help is appreciated, as I will have to make necessary arrangements.

 

Mobo: HP 3032h