Can we end the GTX 1060/RX 480 debate?

[Aereldor]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

AMD rebadged their architecture for years. Hawaii went up against the 700 and 900 series from Nvidia. Both have had hits and misses in the last few months. Saying Nvidia won't support their older cards is like saying Ryzen will fail because Bulldozer.

Okay, now I feel like an oaf, because I consistently recommended the 7950 and 7970 as alternatives to the 280 and 280x as alternatives to the 380. 

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

Okay, now I feel like an oaf, because I consistently recommended the 7950 and 7970 as alternatives to the 280 and 280x as alternatives to the 380. 

Don't, all great cards. AMD makes good shit. So does Nvidia. Competition is good, fanboying is bad. The difference is placing responsibility on ALL companies, not just the one you don't like.

[Aereldor]

Just now, App4that said:

Don't, all great cards. AMD makes good shit. So does Nvidia. Competition is good, fanboying is bad. The difference is placing responsibility on ALL companies, not just the one you don't like.

Oh no, I feel like an oaf because I blamed NVidia for antiquating old cards faster without keeping in mind that AMD basically rebadged their GPUs twice. 

 

I don't have a preference for either card, but at the moment, I can acknowledge that the RX 480 just has much better driver support. A 12% GTX 1060 1080p lead reduced to 2%? That's impressive.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

Oh no, I feel like an oaf because I blamed NVidia for antiquating old cards faster without keeping in mind that AMD basically rebadged their GPUs twice. 

 

I don't have a preference for either card, but at the moment, I can acknowledge that the RX 480 just has much better driver support. A 12% GTX 1060 1080p lead reduced to 2%? That's impressive.

And proof AMD is improving. Now we wait and see how Nvidia responds. This battle is one of the most important. Yeah the enthusiast cards are flashy but having AMD and Nvidia battle here means more people can have a better experience. And if Nvidia does nothing, they deserve to lose sales.

[Aereldor]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

And proof AMD is improving. Now we wait and see how Nvidia responds. This battle is one of the most important. Yeah the enthusiast cards are flashy but having AMD and Nvidia battle here means more people can have a better experience. And if Nvidia does nothing, they deserve to lose sales.

But if Nvidia loses sales, AMD can afford to become complacent like Intel has been since Sandy Bridge.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

But if Nvidia loses sales, AMD can afford to become complacent like Intel has been since Sandy Bridge.

EXACTLY!!! That's why fanboying is bad, we want the fight to be as close as possible. If you own a 480 you want Nvidia to come back and take the lead again so AMD is forced to improve. And if you own a 1060 the improvement in the 480 is good news.

[Guest]

keep in mind nvidia forces you to login to use their services

they also allow themselves to share your personal information with their business partners, pretty shady imo

 

for content creators, nvidias shadowplay/share performs worse than amd relive video recorder

 

the rx480 is the clear winner if the price is right (both vram versions)

[Aereldor]

1 minute ago, ONOTech said:

My 'review' is more of a meta-review than anything else. I analyze the minimum values and consistency of frame times of the 480 and 1060 - there are some flaws to it though because my explanation is not as clear as I had hoped. But thanks for linking it nonetheless 

 

Generally speaking, the 480 8GB has better minimums and more consistent frame times than the 1060 6GB when it comes to games where the average FPS of each of the cards are pretty close to one another (~5%).

That's what I was trying to say. Minimum FPS is often overlooked when it comes to benchmarks, with the preference given to average framerates. The latter, however, says nothing of consistency.

 

It's the reason I bought a GTX 960 rather than an R9 280 when I did; the 960 had double the minimum framerate on The Witcher 3, if not more.

[App4that]

16 minutes ago, OnfireYH said:

keep in mind nvidia forces you to login to use their services

they also allow themselves to share your personal information with their business partners, pretty shady imo

 

for content creators, nvidias shadowplay/share performs worse than amd relive video recorder

 

the rx480 is the clear winner if the price is right (both vram versions)

Do you use social media? Bet you do.

[sazrocks]

20 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Minimum FPS is often overlooked when it comes to benchmarks

Unfortunately, when it is added in benchmarks, it is not (usually) analyzed properly. I mean this in the sense that, if that minimum frame lasts 0.1% of the benchmark vs 10% (which I believe @ONOTech touched on in his video), there is a large difference between playable (0.1%) and unplayable (10%), which most review outlets don't give us. Also remember that with certain benchmarks the frame rates tank when changing scenes, therefore giving minimums that are not reflective of actual gameplay.

[StayFrostyy]

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

Unfortunately, when it is added in benchmarks, it is not analyzed properly. I mean this in the sense that, if that minimum frame lasts 0.1% of the benchmark vs 10% (which I believe @ONOTech touched on in his video), there is a large difference between playable (0.1%) and unplayable (10%), which most review outlets don't give us. Also remember that with certain benchmarks the frame rates tank when changing scenes, therefore giving minimums that are not reflective of actual gameplay.

I believe someone does benchmarks where they take the 1% low and 0.1% low. I forget the site though

[sazrocks]

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

Do you use social media? Bet you do.

Most people do. But most people (I hope anyway) don't also put their real name, address, ip-address, and phone number on their social media publicly.

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Do you use social media? Bet you do.

the login is not a huge deal for most people, but the telementry certainly is

[sazrocks]

7 minutes ago, StayFrostyy said:

I believe someone does benchmarks where they take the 1% low and 0.1% low. I forget the site though

Gamer's Nexus and Techreport do, but AFAIK they are the only ones to do that.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, OnfireYH said:

the login is not a huge deal for most people, but the telementry certainly is

Why? You don't use a smart phone? You're tracked and monitored. This is done to improve services. People only care when they want to, that's silly. 

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Why? You don't use a smart phone? You're tracked and monitored. This is done to improve services. People only care when they want to, that's silly. 

Why does nvidia need to know my address, real name, and phone number in order for me to use shadowplay?

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, ONOTech said:

I believe Techreport does as well

It seems they do. I will edit my post; thank you for informing me!

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Why does nvidia need to know my address, real name, and phone number in order for me to use shadowplay?

You mean all the information you give a retailer when you use a bank card? 

 

Same reason.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Why? You don't use a smart phone? You're tracked and monitored. This is done to improve services. People only care when they want to, that's silly. 

Improve services such as?

[sazrocks]

3 minutes ago, App4that said:

You mean all the information you give a retailer when you use a bank card? 

 

Same reason.

1. Don't have a bank card yet, you can probably guess why. All the more reason why they shouldn't need that info.

2. Still doesn't answer the question why nvidia needs that information to "serve" me shadowplay, which obviously doesn't need it as I didn't need to login before. 

[App4that]

1 minute ago, OnfireYH said:

Improve services such as?

Show more ads that are in your interest, not show ads for things out of your region. Etc

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Show more ads that are in your interest, not show ads for things out of your region. Etc

How does my phone number, name and exact address help them with that (ip address geo-location would be sufficient)? 

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

How does my phone number, name and exact address help them with that (ip address geo-location would be sufficient)? 

The etc. You realize I'm from a generation that had phone books with everyone number, but didn't have to Tweet? Right?

[lettuce head]

1 hour ago, StayFrostyy said:

Agreed, but I'm not using the card for VR, and I don't suspect most people are.

if you are only splurging 260 bucks top on a gpu, a htc vive shouldnt be in the budget

[sazrocks]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

The etc. You realize I'm from a generation that had phone books with everyone number, but didn't have to Tweet? Right?

But you could also (AFAIK) have your number removed from the phone book, which nvidia does not give you the option to do. I still don't see what "service" nvidia could possibly give me using my exact address and phone number. The only reason that I can think of for them wanting this information is so they can sell it to a third-party and make money, which results in me receiving more spam emails and phone calls, and is certainly not a service, let alone helpful to me.