What ever happened to real AA?

[orangecat]

I remember back in the day when many games had a nice quality MSAA implementation and now you're lucky if you get something better than FXAA or TAA. I miss the good old days of MSAA. Even some MSAA implementations today are pretty garbage because of the lack of transparency support and sometimes forcing it in the control panel doesn't work.

 

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[jkjoonas]

I am kind of confused about "the real AA",  and the lack of AA support.

Really, what modern (triple A big budget) games don't support "proper" AA?

Edited November 29, 2016 by jkjoonas
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[tp95112]

Gets annoying when Nvidia tries to shove Fxaa down our throats. Killing Floor 2 only has Fxaa and it just adds blur

[orangecat]

Just now, jkjoonas said:

I am kind of confused about "the real AA",  and the lack of AA support.

Genuinely, what modern (triple A big budget) games don't support "proper" AA?

I'm not talking about specific games but modern games in general. MSAA isn't as common as it used to be in games. And personally I find post processed A not "real" AA.

[jkjoonas]

5 minutes ago, tp95112 said:

Gets annoying when Nvidia tries to shove Fxaa down our throats. Killing Floor 2 only has Fxaa and it just adds blur

Well, in its essence, antialiasing is creating blur.

 

7 minutes ago, Kilobytez95 said:

I'm not talking about specific games but modern games in general. MSAA isn't as common as it used to be in games. And personally I find post processed A not "real" AA.

Well, maybe it is the case from your POV and games really do not offer AA that much anymore.

 

The way I see it, many people are moving towards 2k and 4k displays and the need for antialiasing at 4k is quite minimal if non-existent.. Plus it taxes so much of your hardware. Not sure how accurate these stats are, but they drive a point across. Sauce from http://i.imgur.com/9MEMXrT.jpg

 

[orangecat]

1 minute ago, jkjoonas said:

Well, in its essence, antialiasing is creating blur.

 

Well, maybe it is the case from your POV and games really do not offer AA that much anymore.

 

The way I see it, many people are moving towards 2k and 4k displays and the need for antialiasing at 4k is quite minimal if non-existent.. Plus it taxes so much of your hardware. Not sure how accurate these stats are, but they drive a point across. Sauce from http://i.imgur.com/9MEMXrT.jpg

 

Since when has "its not really necessary anymore" ever been good enough for PC gaming? If I wanna run a game at 4K and super sample it or whatever why shouldn't I be allowed to? And game devs know not everyone is on 4K so good quality AA options are still much appreciated by many gamers.

[jkjoonas]

1 minute ago, Kilobytez95 said:

Since when has "its not really necessary anymore" ever been good enough for PC gaming? If I wanna run a game at 4K and super sample it or whatever why shouldn't I be allowed to? And game devs know not everyone is on 4K so good quality AA options are still much appreciated by many gamers.

I am sorry but I feel we are not moving on with this argument, I have yet to see an example where there are no "good antialiasing" options in modern big titles, so your point is kind of moot. I believe when you say you have experienced this, but please provide some insight. Many of the multisampling techniques are post processing.

Supersampling is way different from this discussion, you can do it regardless of the game settings. 

 

Sidenote, what do you want to accomplish with this discussion if this is about opinions and you just "strawman" mine, since I was talking about 4k resolution?

[tp95112]

51 minutes ago, jkjoonas said:

Well, in its essence, antialiasing is creating blur.

 

When I mean blur I mean it you can see the blur with normal msaa its not noticed. 

[WereCat]

You can always enable AA trough your graphics driver.

[leelaa14]

I prefer TAA and then use reshade or sweetfx to sharpen it up. Looks great with very little performance hit

[SkilledRebuilds]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

You can always enable AA trough your graphics driver.

That doesnt always work.

The game engine itself can be using a rendering method (deferred? Or something else?) that uses previous frames for post processing and/or other features and msaa is unfeasible to use.

Hence we have post-aa enabled games and limited resources/limited care for using or even allowing msaa or traditional rendering methods.

Idk.. maybe I read it, maybe Im wrong.

 

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

That doesnt always work.

The game engine itself can be using a rendering method (deferred? Or something else?) that uses previous frames for post processing and/or other features and msaa is unfeasible to use.

Hence we have post-aa enabled games and limited resources/limited care for using or even allowing msaa or traditional rendering methods.

Idk.. maybe I read it, maybe Im wrong.

 

Well, I dont know if it works 100% of the time. I just use MFAA to override MSAA for better performance when available. I can tell the difference between FXAA and other AA but I find them all good enough.

[MEC-777]

I found a better solution is to run DSR/VSR at 1440 or 4k on my 1080p display and keep AA settings low or off altogether. In some cases the end result is better image quality/sharpness and better performance due to some forms of AA being more demanding than simply running a higher resolution without AA.

 

I do this with most games I play.