Is AMD back?

[Scitesh]

Here is the link I am talking about

 

hothardware.com/news/amds-8-core-zen-sr7-offers-core-i7-5960x-performance-at-499

 

Also since the performance of 6900k is  more or less the same as 5960X

Should Intel be  worried  if price  actually $499  also how would it effect the consumer  side(I  mean 6700k/7700k)

[vorticalbox]

Well seeing as intel's R&D is quite a few times higher than AMD's total income I highly doubt they are "back" though if they offer more cores at each level they will be competitive. 

[DocSwag]

1. Tis just a rumor and isn't confirmed.

2. Retoast:

 

[xAcid9]

No.

[Scitesh]

Just now, vorticalbox said:

Well seeing as intel's R&D is quite a few times higher than AMD's total income I highly doubt they are "back" though if they offer more cores at each level they will be competitive. 

I  am more interested in$349 SR5 I  should upgrade from my 3770k

Also where the hell is Intel s R&D  budget going

Even if I am to upgrade to  another i7  it would not be until 8th gen(coffee  lake)

[crosstiger]

This has been discussed numbers of times... Until zen isn't release, they are not "back"

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, crosstiger said:

This has been discoursed numbers of times... Until zen isn't release, they are not "back"

Polaris got them a lot of money and market share

[crosstiger]

1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

Polaris got them a lot of money and market share

True. But this is about CPU not GPU.

[Tataffe]

Imo never really gone although not really present in the enthusiast PC area. PS4 and XB1 run AMD hardware. They always had feasable GPUs.

5 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

Well seeing as intel's R&D is quite a few times higher than AMD's total income I highly doubt they are "back" though if they offer more cores at each level they will be competitive. 

Intel has a lot more stuff to research though. The are active in areas where AMD isn't, therefore a direct R&D budget comparison is not constructive.

[Scitesh]

www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-kaby-lake-processors-prices-surface-in-webshops.html

 

I know another leak 

But  if  Intel prices its i7 7700k at$400+  then I  don't see any reason to go  with that option (assuming the first one is correct)

[Coaxialgamer]

4 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

Well seeing as intel's R&D is quite a few times higher than AMD's total income I highly doubt they are "back" though if they offer more cores at each level they will be competitive. 

i don't actually think R&D is such a big deal as people put it .Sure , they have and spend way more money than AMD , but keep in mind intel has to develop and maintain manufacturing processes as well as fabs themselves ( this spending is relegated to globalfoundries on the amd side ). Plus , they have way more products than AMD . They have deep learning , AI , self driving cars , the xeon phi accelerators , embeded devices ,ULP devices and so much more , which AMD doesn't spend money on .

[Scitesh]

15 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

i don't actually think R&D is such a big deal as people put it .Sure , they have and spend way more money than AMD , but keep in mind intel has to develop and maintain manufacturing processes as well as fabs themselves ( this spending is relegated to globalfoundries on the amd side ). Plus , they have way more products than AMD . They have deep learning , AI , self driving cars , the xeon phi accelerators , embeded devices ,ULP devices and so much more , which AMD doesn't spend money on .

Also As an engineering Student the best R&D actually happens when You have next to no budget 

 

I mean just look at the setup i have Put together(Ps: using Tv as a monitor Bcoz i blew all my budget On GPU )

[vorticalbox]

58 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

I  am more interested in$349 SR5 I  should upgrade from my 3770k

Also where the hell is Intel s R&D  budget going

Even if I am to upgrade to  another i7  it would not be until 8th gen(coffee  lake)

 

I would assume a part of it goes to the below but other places would be their desktop lines, server lines and mobile. I am sure intel look at arm and really want a piece of that pie.

53 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

i don't actually think R&D is such a big deal as people put it .Sure , they have and spend way more money than AMD , but keep in mind intel has to develop and maintain manufacturing processes as well as fabs themselves ( this spending is relegated to globalfoundries on the amd side ). Plus , they have way more products than AMD . They have deep learning , AI , self driving cars , the xeon phi accelerators , embeded devices ,ULP devices and so much more , which AMD doesn't spend money on .

 

AMD also have their GPUs which they have to fight against Nvidia this means where Intel and Nvidia only have AMD to contend with AMD has both.

[Dash Lambda]

5 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

AMD also has their GPU's, for which they have to fight against Nvidia. This means that where Intel and Nvidia only have AMD to contend with, AMD has both.

This isn't a war, it's a market.

So basically that means AMD can completely crap out in one market and it won't kill the company.

[vorticalbox]

8 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

This isn't a war, it's a market.

So basically that means AMD can completely crap out in one market and it won't kill the company.

 

It's still more market share to protect with less money than everyone else.

[Coaxialgamer]

45 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

I would assume a part of it goes to the below but other places would be their desktop lines, server lines and mobile. I am sure intel look at arm and really want a piece of that pie.

AMD also have their GPUs which they have to fight against Nvidia this means where Intel and Nvidia only have AMD to contend with AMD has both.

intel does make gpu's technically ( they are actually #1 in market share ) and also has to contend with ARM in quite a few areas. . And nvidia technically designs cpu's ( denver ).

Plus , intel and nvidia both compete in the AI and deep learning market ( nvidia gpu vs intel xeon phi and the like ), and amd spends little money in that area.

 

 

 

 

[Coaxialgamer]

41 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

This isn't a war, it's a market.

So basically that means AMD can completely crap out in one market and it won't kill the company.

the thing is , in the case of AMD , which is already weakened by a lot of debt , it can . considering cpu architecture development takes years ( literally , 5-10 years last i checked ) , a company that is already financially unstable can be killed by a failed product if they have nothing competitive to offer. If AMD hadn't bought ATI a few years back , then bulldozer WOULD have killed them .

[Dash Lambda]

4 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

The thing is, in the case of AMD, which is already weakened by a lot of debt, it can. Considering CPU architecture development takes years (literally, 5-10 years last I checked), a company that is already financially unstable can be killed by a failed product if they have nothing competitive to offer. If AMD hadn't bought ATI a few years back, then bulldozer WOULD have killed them.

I didn't consider the investment R&D takes...

But I can't imagine them putting everything they have into one market, seems too risky for a business to do.

 

Concerning their acquisition of ATI, isn't that kind'a the point? Doesn't that mean their foot int he GPU market let them ride through a catastrophic failure in the CPU market?

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Dash Lambda said:

I didn't consider the investment R&D takes...

But I can't imagine them putting everything they have into one market, seems too risky for a business to do.

 

Concerning their acquisition of ATI, isn't that kind'a the point? Doesn't that mean their foot int he GPU market let them ride through a catastrophic failure in the CPU market?

well CPU architectures usually cover multiple markets ( desktop , server , laptop, embedded etc , and those are big markets )

 

Also , they acquired ATI in 2006 , for project "fusion" ( basically APU ) . Bulldozer was in it's early years of development .

 

I don't think they bought ATI for the redundancy though . There are still huge drawbacks to splitting your company into multiple segments.

[airdeano]

already posted here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/696941-amd-zen-sr7-to-sell-for-499/

 

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