Used Phenom II X4 965 or X6 1055t

[ZARIFF]

Guys, 2 of my friends have X4 965 and X6 1055t  respectively. I have an AM3 mobo with an Athlon X2 260 which i use for casual work and stuff but i game on my i7 4770. now. both my friends are upgrading and i can get one of those cpus for my am3 platform. now my question is that will the X6 1055t outperform the 965 in Vulkan and DX12 games ? and which is better overall. which is more futureproof ?

[Guest]

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965

 

Do some research as to what your software prefers. Vulkan/DX12 games is more GPU related?

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, Dutch-stoner said:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965

 

Do some research as to what your software prefers. Vulkan/DX12 games is more GPU related?

sigh, not cpuboss pls

 

To OP, the X6 1055T is the better option here. 

[xephoneration]

1 minute ago, Dutch-stoner said:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965

 

Do some research as to what your software prefers. Vulkan/DX12 games is more GPU related?

ew cpu boss nah brah userbenchermarks is where its at http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T/606vs2003

 

I mean performance wise not much difference but in this day of age the x6 1055T is a better option. 

[ZARIFF]

7 minutes ago, xephoneration said:

ew cpu boss nah brah userbenchermarks is where its at http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T/606vs2003

 

I mean performance wise not much difference but in this day of age the x6 1055T is a better option. 

yes. cpuboss is pretty biased and doesn't benefit in modern times. i just need one more thing. which one performs better in DX12 and Vulkan ? i don't need synthetic benchmarks. i need it to be futureproof for normal stuff. TIA

[xephoneration]

Just now, ZARIFF said:

yes. cpuboss is pretty biased and doesn't benefit in modern times. i just need one more thing. which one performs better in DX12 and Vulkan ? i don't need synthetic benchmarks. i need it to be futureproof for normal stuff. TIA

honestly dont worry about DX12 and Vulkan right now and for the next few years DX11 is being used... give it like a few more years and we will see more of DX12 and Vulkan being used. 

[ZARIFF]

1 minute ago, xephoneration said:

honestly dont worry about DX12 and Vulkan right now and for the next few years DX11 is being used... give it like a few more years and we will see more of DX12 and Vulkan being used. 

ok. so tell me, will the 1055t gain any benefits having 6 threads in gaming ? will it benefit in dx12 more than 965 ?

[Thony]

7 minutes ago, ZARIFF said:

ok. so tell me, will the 1055t gain any benefits having 6 threads in gaming ? will it benefit in dx12 more than 965 ?

0.6Ghz difference is probably much bigger deal for these old CPUs than core count. Nobody knows if DX12 and Vulkan even become a thing ... Hype train kinda derailed long time ago. For work 6core will be more benefitial. For gaming 4core will win.

[ZARIFF]

2 minutes ago, Thony said:

0.6Ghz difference is probably much bigger deal for these old CPUs than core count. Nobody knows if DX12 and Vulkan even become a thing ... Hype train kinda derailed long time ago. For work 6core will be more benefitial. For gaming 4core will win.

is the 1055t a true six core ? and I've seen people saying that it acts like a 3 core when gaming. i dunno but why does the 1055t suck at gaming at stock speed ?

[GDRRiley]

32 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965

 

Do some research as to what your software prefers. Vulkan/DX12 games is more GPU related?

cpu boss is bad

[SpaceGhostC2C]

19 minutes ago, ZARIFF said:

is the 1055t a true six core ? and I've seen people saying that it acts like a 3 core when gaming. i dunno but why does the 1055t suck at gaming at stock speed ?

It is a true six core.

It doesn't really, it's marginally slower than the 965 when using up to 4 cores, though. Games that can use more will run better in the 1055.

If your motherboard is good at overclocking, I wouldn't even think about it and grab the 1055. If you are stuck at stock speeds, then you have more of a trade-off. Personally, I'd still go for the 1055, but then again my main interest is parallel workloads and gaming is secondary. Most of the times I would expect them to be similar for gaming.

[ZARIFF]

4 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It is a true six core.

It doesn't really, it's marginally slower than the 965 when using up to 4 cores, though. Games that can use more will run better in the 1055.

If your motherboard is good at overclocking, I wouldn't even think about it and grab the 1055. If you are stuck at stock speeds, then you have more of a trade-off. Personally, I'd still go for the 1055, but then again my main interest is parallel workloads and gaming is secondary. Most of the times I would expect them to be similar for gaming.

Thanks. I'll go for the 1055t then. but one last thing, sir. will my mobo Gigabyte M68MT S2P OC the 1055t ? i have CM hyper 412 available and good PSU as well. if not, I'll grab a 990FX mobo later.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 hours ago, ZARIFF said:

Thanks. I'll go for the 1055t then. but one last thing, sir. will my mobo Gigabyte M68MT S2P OC the 1055t ? i have CM hyper 412 available and good PSU as well. if not, I'll grab a 990FX mobo later.

I have no experience with it, but I'd say it's a bit of a stretch given the power phase design and the lack of VRM cooling. Gigabyte does claim that they used "cooler chokes" and it's good for OC, though, and I don't know how stressful for VRMs overclocking the 1055 can be. My experience with the FX chips would tell me it would be risky to push the OC too much for a 6-core CPU in that board.

[Dabombinable]

8 hours ago, ZARIFF said:

is the 1055t a true six core ? and I've seen people saying that it acts like a 3 core when gaming. i dunno but why does the 1055t suck at gaming at stock speed ?

Its the FX 6*** that act as tri cores in some situations. Anything from the FX line has half the effective "cores" in some situations (their true description is X modules, X threads).

[-rascal-]

The Phenom II line of CPUs were "true" quad-cores and six-cores.

IMO, the problem with the Phenom II X6 1055T is the relatively low clock speed of 2.8 GHz AND it has a locked CPU multiplier.

 

Most of the *unlocked* Phenom II line of CPUs are able to get close to 4.0 GHz easily (3.8 GHz ~ 4.2 GHz) range.

They were limited to the ~4.0 GHz area, and is difficult to go much higher without going crazy on the voltages -- if you can EVEN go higher.

With the Phenom II X6 1055T, with moderate cooling, you are looking at around the 3.4 - 3.6 GHz range.

 

Personally, I'd say you go with the Phenom II X4 965 instead -- especially it is a newer revision chip.

The Phenom II X4 965 is clocked at 3.4 GHz right from the factory.

 

http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=28671

[ZARIFF]

9 hours ago, -rascal- said:

The Phenom II line of CPUs were "true" quad-cores and six-cores.

IMO, the problem with the Phenom II X6 1055T is the relatively low clock speed of 2.8 GHz AND it has a locked CPU multiplier.

 

Most of the *unlocked* Phenom II line of CPUs are able to get close to 4.0 GHz easily (3.8 GHz ~ 4.2 GHz) range.

They were limited to the ~4.0 GHz area, and is difficult to go much higher without going crazy on the voltages -- if you can EVEN go higher.

With the Phenom II X6 1055T, with moderate cooling, you are looking at around the 3.4 - 3.6 GHz range.

 

Personally, I'd say you go with the Phenom II X4 965 instead -- especially it is a newer revision chip.

The Phenom II X4 965 is clocked at 3.4 GHz right from the factory.

 

http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=28671

Ok, 965 wins over the 1055t in gaming. but games in those times never used 4 cores, let alone 6 cores. but now, with modern tech, can the 1055t squeeze more out of itself in multithreaded apps and games ?

will my mobo do any sort of overclocking ? http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3726#ov

[-rascal-]

2 hours ago, ZARIFF said:

Ok, 965 wins over the 1055t in gaming. but games in those times never used 4 cores, let alone 6 cores. but now, with modern tech, can the 1055t squeeze more out of itself in multithreaded apps and games ?

will my mobo do any sort of overclocking ? http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3726#ov

 

Most games are still quad-core focused.

 

Even IF you can make use of the six-cores with the 1055T, the gains would be meditated with a low 2.8 GHz clock.

 

Your motherboard, especially the chip set, came out during the socket AM2 / AM2+ days...and it is a lower-end tier. Plus the 4+1 power phase system on the board, with no heatsink for passive cooling, won't get you very far as overclocking goes. Not only that, the simple 4-pin power (instead of an 8-pin) will also limit you.

 

What level of CPU cooling do you have?

That will also contribute to your overclocking ability.

 

Those reasons along already points you towards the Phenom II X4 965.

 

 

 

 

[ZARIFF]

12 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Most games are still quad-core focused.

 

Even IF you can make use of the six-cores with the 1055T, the gains would be meditated with a low 2.8 GHz clock.

 

Your motherboard, especially the chip set, came out during the socket AM2 / AM2+ days...and it is a lower-end tier. Plus the 4+1 power phase system on the board, with no heatsink for passive cooling, won't get you very far as overclocking goes. Not only that, the simple 4-pin power (instead of an 8-pin) will also limit you.

 

What level of CPU cooling do you have?

That will also contribute to your overclocking ability.

 

Those reasons along already points you towards the Phenom II X4 965.

 

 

 

 

i have a cooler master hyper 412 or 414, forgot the model actually. anyways. I'll grab the X4 then. i might purchase a new mobo for that cpu from amazon. which cheap mobo would be best for FX 9590 ? that's my final question. thank you

[-rascal-]

59 minutes ago, ZARIFF said:

i have a cooler master hyper 412 or 414, forgot the model actually. anyways. I'll grab the X4 then. i might purchase a new mobo for that cpu from amazon. which cheap mobo would be best for FX 9590 ? that's my final question. thank you

 

Absolutely NO REASON to get a FX-9590.

 

The FX-9590 is quite LITERALLY a cherry-picked FX-8350 overclocking to 4.7 GHz with 1.47~1.5V on the Core Voltage. It is totally garbage.

 

I was able to get 4.8 GHz with 1.4V with my FX-8350. 

 

Either keep your current motherboard with the Phenom II X4 965, and give it a mild overclocking, or get a inexpensive -- but decent -- motherboard.

 

If you are going to spend extra pretty pennies for a high-end AM3/AM3+ motherboard, might as well get a brand-new motherboard + CPU combo.

 

ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0.

- AMD 970 and SB 950 chipset

- 4+2 VRM power phase design

- $51.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZNtCmG/asus-motherboard-m5a97ler20