I5-6600K or I7-6700K

[Megapiplup]

So i'm having trouble deciding between the I5-6600K and the I7-6700K. I'm gonna be building my first computer and I want to be able to play game high end games and make videos on occasion. Which do you guys think I should buy?

Edit:

Trying to stay under $1200. While having a black/orange scheme. I do not have a 1440p monitor and prob will not upgrade.

This is what I want to build right now.

I5 or I7 cpu

Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo 

G.Skill DDR4 2x8gb ram 

ASrock z170 Extreme4 Mobo

Gigabyte Windforce gtx 1060 6gb

Phantoms Eclipse p400 case

Crucial mx300 525gb

1tb WD blue 7200rpm

EVGA supernova PSU 80+ Gold

 

[Bradl79]

if u can afford the i7, get the i7

[malon]

if you want to make videos more than trice a week the i7 will save you a fair amount of time, if 2 vids or less a week the i5

[Imakuni]

25 minutes ago, Megapiplup said:

So i'm having trouble deciding between the I5-6600K and the I7-6700K. I'm gonna be building my first computer and I want to be able to play game high end games and make videos on occasion. Which do you guys think I should buy? 

Can you afford the i7 + gtx 1070 (minimum) ? If so, go for the i7 for sure.

[xGGAx]

if you dont mind waiting, get a i5 7600k

[Megapiplup]

1 hour ago, xGGAx said:

if you dont mind waiting, get a i5 7600k

Waiting is out of question. I've been waiting to game on something nice for too long. I've been using my Inspiron that has a cpu of 1.7ghz and Intel graphics XD.

[Megapiplup]

2 hours ago, Imakuni said:

Can you afford the i7 + gtx 1070 (minimum) ? If so, go for the i7 for sure.

I can afford the i7 but I don't think I need a 1070 since I can't play at 1440p

[Imakuni]

17 minutes ago, Megapiplup said:

I can afford the i7 but I don't think I need a 1070 since I can't play at 1440p

Not worth the drop to a 1060, though, it can't quite do 1080p maxed. I still strongly recommend the 1070, even if you are using a humble 1060 60hz panel. Just put some DSR / AA to harness the extra GPU power right now and have a capable GPU for the following years, rather than a capable GPU now and a starting-to-age one later.

[Darkseth]

i7 6700k > i7 6700 (non OC Setup) > i5 6600k.

 

Non overclocked i7 6700 is nowadays a better Choice than an overclocked i5 6600k.

Hyperthreading gives you more stability in Games, than those 700 Mhz more your overclocked i5 would have.

 

 

1060 is the smartest choice for 1080p.

Theres no Need for a 1070.

Honestly, only Setting-whores who don't know how settings work care about everything HAS tob be maxed out just for the sake of beeing maxed out.

There are tons of settings, that look exactly the same, but cost a lot performance.

 

And even more honestly, if you WANT, you can even get a GTX 1080 below 60 fps in some games under 1080p.

 

I use a 6700k + GTX 1060, and have no problems. I set my settings that way, my Game can hold 60 fps at all times + VSync, and have a smooth experience. Most settings above that won't make a difference anyway. Except you Zoom in like x8 in screenshots and play search the differences

 

However, it's still not a very bad choice for a 1070, since the performance / Price ratio is quite similar. Depending on which models you compare.

But i would go with an i7, instead an i5, since an i5 can hit its limit pretty fast. In Witcher 3 for example, you can get an i5 Overclocked to 4x 100% usage. And other games as well, where an i7 can provide a bit more stable fps experience.

 

Remember: You don't buy the CPU for the GTX 1060/1070 today. You buy the CPU for the next 3 GPU Generations. When you upgrade your GPU in 2-3 years, you will still use the CPU you bought today. And in a few years, an i7 will make a MUCH bigger difference, than today.

Just compare an 5,5 year old i5 2500k vs. i7 2600k. How they compare in today's games.

[Sreno1]

6 hours ago, Imakuni said:

Not worth the drop to a 1060, though, it can't quite do 1080p maxed. I still strongly recommend the 1070, even if you are using a humble 1060 60hz panel. Just put some DSR / AA to harness the extra GPU power right now and have a capable GPU for the following years, rather than a capable GPU now and a starting-to-age one later.

1060 can easily do 1080p at max graphics. I don't consider ashes of the singularity as an everyday game.. That being said the 1070 is greatly superior and I would agree that a i5-6600k + 1070 would be better than an i7-6700k + 1060.

[Sreno1]

3 hours ago, Darkseth said:

 

Hyperthreading gives you more stability in Games, than those 700 Mhz more your overclocked i5 would have.

 

Hyperthreading is negligibly better than a non hyperthreaded CPU (In gaming). Some games like CS:GO actually suffer from hyperthreading (eSports games in general). That's why i5's are still the recommended CPU for gaming, you don't need the hyperthreading and extra threads/cores.

[Morgan MLGman]

8 minutes ago, Sreno1 said:

Hyperthreading is negligibly better than a non hyperthreaded CPU (In gaming). Some games like CS:GO actually suffer from hyperthreading (eSports games in general). That's why i5's are still the recommended CPU for gaming, you don't need the hyperthreading and extra threads/cores.

That's not true. i7's not only have hyperthreading, but also have more cache.

 

Look at Crysis 3 for example. 6600K not only has up to 30FPS less, it also stutters MUCH more (Look at the frametime graph, frametime drops = stuttering)

 

[Matias_Chambers]

If you pick parts wisely you can actually afford a 6700K and a 1070 in the budget. Maybe not if you want a perfect black and orange colorscheme. 

[Matias_Chambers]

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/P62kD8
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/P62kD8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.95 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Dell Small Business) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($396.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Raidmax Ninja II ATX Mid Tower Case  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz) Black and Orange. Search for it on Google for a picture.
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1194.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-10 10:24 EDT-0400

[SteveGrabowski0]

12 hours ago, Megapiplup said:

So i'm having trouble deciding between the I5-6600K and the I7-6700K. I'm gonna be building my first computer and I want to be able to play game high end games and make videos on occasion. Which do you guys think I should buy?

Edit:

Trying to stay under $1200. While having a black/orange scheme. I do not have a 1440p monitor and prob will not upgrade.

This is what I want to build right now.

I5 or I7 cpu

Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo 

G.Skill DDR4 2x8gb ram 

ASrock z170 Extreme4 Mobo

Gigabyte Windforce gtx 1060 6gb

Phantoms Eclipse p400 case

Crucial mx300 525gb

1tb WD blue 7200rpm

EVGA supernova PSU 80+ Gold

 

You can do black and orange with a GTX 1070 and i7-6700k for $1200

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.95 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.58 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($396.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($65.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1195.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-10 10:30 EDT-0400

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not true. i7's not only have hyperthreading, but also have more cache.

 

Look at Crysis 3 for example. 6600K not only has up to 30FPS less, it also stutters MUCH more (Look at the frametime graph, frametime drops = stuttering)

 

I know Mafia 3 is a clusterfuck, but that game supposedly really really sucks on i5s. i7 is the way to go if you expect more shitty ports since the consoles are octacores with really pathetic IPC.

[Sreno1]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not true. i7's not only have hyperthreading, but also have more cache.

 

Look at Crysis 3 for example. 6600K not only has up to 30FPS less, it also stutters MUCH more (Look at the frametime graph, frametime drops = stuttering)

 

 

Hyerthreading does help in some extremely CPU intensive games such as the Total War series, but for general purpose gaming hyperthreading isn't worth spending an extra $100 if budget is an issue as it is here. The video shows different core/thread counts and when hyperthreading is enabled.

[Darkseth]

9 hours ago, Sreno1 said:

Hyperthreading is negligibly better than a non hyperthreaded CPU (In gaming). Some games like CS:GO actually suffer from hyperthreading (eSports games in general). That's why i5's are still the recommended CPU for gaming, you don't need the hyperthreading and extra threads/cores.

Yeah, and what if you don't play only CS GO, that can even run on a potato well?

 

Witcher 3 can get an i5 6600k into Bottlenecking (all 4 Cores 100% usage).

Also, several Digital Foundry videos that proof, that an i7 can hold much smoother Frametimes, despite the pure fps numbers may look similar.

 

In the world of Gaming, there is more than CS:GO...

(And btw, an i7 is SO strong, it will easy push several hundred fps in CS:GO. Noone gives a Fuck, if this low Game doesn't use Hyperthreading.)

 

 

Here is a VERY underrated Video: 

 

 

 

Back in 2011 everyone was saying the same: Stick with an i5, Hyperthreading does nothing. Take an i5 2400 only, OC does nothing.

 

What now, 5 years later? Overclocking the i5 to 4.6 Ghz + faster Ram gives like 40-50% more fps in many latest titles, that didn't exist in 2011.

You can clearly see, the more CLock speed, the smoother the Frametimes are.

 

But that's not what i was about.. Jump to Minute 5:25

Theres a bonus test, with an i7 3770k @ 4.4 Ghz (Yes, it's one generation newer, but it has 200 Mhz less. so that makes up for the IPC difference).

In Crysis 3. The i5 2500k even at 4.6 Ghz and 2133 mhz Ram, it can NOT hold the Frames. fps are like a sinus wave there, limiting almost all the time. Frametimes proof that. Jumping up and down like crazy.

Not take an i7 3770k at 4.4 ghz. (ok 2400 Mhz ram, instead 2133), it has MUCH better frametimes the whole time (just little diferences), and MUCH better stable fps.

At some points, the i7 JUST because it has Hyperthreading, has in most cases 20-50% more fps, and almost all the time like 30%+ fps.

And since the old 3rd generation i7 is still faster than a 100 Mhz faster i5 6500 Skylake 6th generation, it's not IPC. it's Hyperthreading.

 

And do Not forget one important thing: They used a GTX 970 in this test. This is equal to a RX 470, that's plain simple Midrange.

Even a GTX 1060 is a good tad faster.

The faster the GPU, the stronger your CPU will Bottleneck. If an i7 3770k can push more stable frames than an i5 6500 at 4.5 Ghz, with JUST a GTX 970...

That means, in this case, an i5 Skylake did Bottleneck a GTX 970. pare it with a GTX 1060 or 1070, and it will Bottleneck even more.

 

What about the next upgrade in 2 years? GTX 1170? Vega 2?

Or in 4 Years, GTX 1270 or 1280. The i5 will bottleneck HORRIBLY, especially if it's an 3.3 Ghz model, and even more when future Games benefit more from more Threads.

 

Here's this i5 2500k vs. i7 3700k a bit more detailed: 

 

Now lets jump back to October 2016.

TODAY an i5 6600k vs. i7 6700 won't make that much of a difference, because the IPC is high. But in 3-4 Years, the i7 will run away, and leave the i5 in a Cloud of Dust.

The Trend is going more to Multithread optimization, even in Games (as most todays games show), some Games even scale well with 6 Cores instead or 4 (i7 6700k vs. i7 6800k)

 

 

TL;DR: An i5 is fine, if you have to watch for your budget. Nothing wrong with that.

However, if your Budget is high enough to fit in an i7 easy without compromises (cheaper case, etc), get the i7. It WILL be more futureproof.

 

And since an i7 6700 non-OC system costs nearly the same as an i5 6600k OC system (which needs more expensive Motherboard, bigger Cooler, faster Ram)... the Choice is simple.

[Megapiplup]

mmk so far everybody seems to agree on I7-6700k with a gtx 1070. If anyone else has any other thoughts please share them. I have until Black Friday to choose between the two.

[Sreno1]

2 hours ago, Megapiplup said:

mmk so far everybody seems to agree on I7-6700k with a gtx 1070. If anyone else has any other thoughts please share them. I have until Black Friday to choose between the two.

Just don't feel like you need a 6700k and/or1070 for maxed out 1080p.