Amd apu's

[LazyPigeon]

If i would buy an amd apu and i want a separate gpu... Can i do it? Or do i have to disable the apu in the bios? And i was looking at some amd cpu's and is the AMD A10-Series X4 A10-7870K 3.9GHz an apu? I am guessing it is one! I am new to pc's and i am kinda dumb...

[VerticalDiscussions]

Why would want a crappy APU/CPU? Just get an Intel CPU "I5-6600K or I7-6700K or I7-6800K" and a "GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 or GTX 1080". Anyways, yes it is an APU.

 

 

If you wanna play Star Wars Battlefront on the lowest possible settings at 1080p with 30 or less fps, then get one (just an example).

 

"If you really can only get an AMD apu tough... its good enough for CS:GO Blyat"

[ScratchCat]

It will work fine, you could even crossfire them(Not great though)

Save some money and get an athlon or fx series if you are getting a gpu anyway

[cbc02009]

As a post amd-fanboy, I wouldn't buy any amd products right now. I would wait till zen comes out or buy intel.

 

as to your other question, no, you don't need to shut it off. it just won't be used unless its hooked up to your monitor.

[Morgan MLGman]

10 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Why would want a crappy APU/CPU? Just get an Intel CPU "I5-6600K or I7-6700K or I7-6800K" and a "GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 or GTX 1080". Anyways, yes it is an APU.

 

 

If you wanna play Star Wars Battlefront on the lowest possible settings at 1080p with 30 or less fps, then get one (just an example).

 

"If you really can only get an AMD apu tough... its good enough for CS:GO Blyat"

And why would you only list Nvidia GPUs there?

[VerticalDiscussions]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

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....... really? Fine, or an RX480, cuz the 460 is for Lol or Dota 2 only. The 470 isnt even worth it :l, for 20-40$/€ difference from the 480.

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, VerticalDiscussions said:

....... really? Fine, or an RX480, cuz the 460 is for Lol or Dota 2 only. The 470 isnt even worth it :l, for 20-40$/€ difference from the 480.

Depends. 480s often start at 240$+ so 470 is a better alternative to a 3GB 1060. Besides, it's obvious that OP doesn't have a huge budget if he's looking at the 7870K, meaning an AMD GPU would probably be a better choice, hence why i asked why you didn't list any of those.

[VerticalDiscussions]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

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Yeah well, the 1060 3GB card shouldnt even be sold. Its a SCAM!!

[SLAYR]

1 hour ago, LazyPigeon said:

If i would buy an amd apu and i want a separate gpu... Can i do it? Or do i have to disable the apu in the bios? And i was looking at some amd cpu's and is the AMD A10-Series X4 A10-7870K 3.9GHz an apu? I am guessing it is one! I am new to pc's and i am kinda dumb...

It would be better to just get an 880k cpu as it doesn't have the igpu and is cheaper.

 

1 hour ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Why would want a crappy APU/CPU? Just get an Intel CPU "I5-6600K or I7-6700K or I7-6800K" and a "GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 or GTX 1080". Anyways, yes it is an APU.

 

If you wanna play Star Wars Battlefront on the lowest possible settings at 1080p with 30 or less fps, then get one (just an example).

 

"If you really can only get an AMD apu tough... its good enough for CS:GO Blyat"

The point of apus are that they are cheap, if someone is even considering buying one their whole computer most likely costs less then a 1070.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, LazyPigeon said:

If i would buy an amd apu and i want a separate gpu... Can i do it? Or do i have to disable the apu in the bios? And i was looking at some amd cpu's and is the AMD A10-Series X4 A10-7870K 3.9GHz an apu? I am guessing it is one! I am new to pc's and i am kinda dumb...

You cannot disable the APU (APU=CPU+ integrated GPU), you can only disable the iGPU part  

 

You can add a separate GPU, basically any GPU. Some AMD GPUs will allow you to run "dual graphics", which amounts to combining the iGPU with the GPU you add, and do something similar to rossFireX (AMD's way to use two GPUs simultaneously). This will only work on a limited combinations of APUs and GPUs, so if you attempt that, you have to check compatibility first. Since the iGPU is not that strong, it can only be paired with relatively weak cards of the AMD lineup. However, it's relatively easy to get a low end gaming GPU that won't cost that much and will outperform dual graphics.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

52 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

And why would you only list Nvidia GPUs there?

Man, when someone asks "can I add a GPU to an APU" and the answer is "get an i7 6800K + GTX 1080"... 

 

1 hour ago, ScratchCat said:

Save some money and get an athlon or fx series if you are getting a gpu anyway

Indeed, if OP is going to use a discrete GPU anyway, going Athlon would actually save him money (OP: Athlon CPUs in the same socket (FM2+) as the APUs are basically the same as A10s but without the iGPU).

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Man, when someone asks "can I add a GPU to an APU" and the answer is "get an i7 6800K + GTX 1080"... 

Yeah... This forum is funny sometimes

 

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Indeed, if OP is going to use a discrete GPU anyway, going Athlon would actually save him money (OP: Athlon CPUs in the same socket (FM2+) as the APUs are basically the same as A10s but without the iGPU).

Fully agree, Athlon X4 880K costs around 85$ and comes with a Wrath cooler which performs nearly as well as a 25$ aftermarket cooler and has LEDs, what adds value to the package.

[LazyPigeon]

22 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

You cannot disable the APU (APU=CPU+ integrated GPU), you can only disable the iGPU part  

 

You can add a separate GPU, basically any GPU. Some AMD GPUs will allow you to run "dual graphics", which amounts to combining the iGPU with the GPU you add, and do something similar to rossFireX (AMD's way to use two GPUs simultaneously). This will only work on a limited combinations of APUs and GPUs, so if you attempt that, you have to check compatibility first. Since the iGPU is not that strong, it can only be paired with relatively weak cards of the AMD lineup. However, it's relatively easy to get a low end gaming GPU that won't cost that much and will outperform dual graphics.

i wanted to do that but now that everyone is saying that i should get a cpu then yeah.... But could i get an AMD FX-Series FX-6300 SAM3+?

[LazyPigeon]

22 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Man, when someone asks "can I add a GPU to an APU" and the answer is "get an i7 6800K + GTX 1080"... 

 

Indeed, if OP is going to use a discrete GPU anyway, going Athlon would actually save him money (OP: Athlon CPUs in the same socket (FM2+) as the APUs are basically the same as A10s but without the iGPU).

And this mobo MSI 970A SLI KRAIT EDITION? And then next year i might get an rx 480....

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 hours ago, LazyPigeon said:

i wanted to do that but now that everyone is saying that i should get a cpu then yeah.... But could i get an AMD FX-Series FX-6300 SAM3+?

You can. The FX series is somewhat older than the APUs, but the FX-63XX or FX-83XX will run fuster than FM2+ chips. However, the whole AM3+ platform is old, and while you can still use it at the right price, it probably doesn't make sense to build a computer with new parts at this point. You can shop for used FX CPUs and motherboards and save some money if you go that route.

If you want to buy new, and in a tight budget, I still think an Athlon CPU i+n the FM2+ socket + a discrete GPU will be the most cost-effective solution (the best Athlons are $100 max). If you can get an FX 6300 in the same range, the choice is yours  

 

3 hours ago, LazyPigeon said:

And this mobo MSI 970A SLI KRAIT EDITION? And then next year i might get an rx 480....

I have no experience with that motherboard, although the KRAIT lineup has a very bad reputation in this forum. There is a video about one literally catching fire, although that was the owner's fault (he used an unsupported CPU, unsupported due to power requirements exceeding the motherboard capabilities). The FX 6300 doesn't demand so much power, especially if you don't overclock it much, so it could be fine. My personal experience with the Asus 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 and the ASRock 970 Performance has been very good.

[AshleyAshes]

On ‎9‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 7:15 AM, LazyPigeon said:

If i would buy an amd apu and i want a separate gpu... Can i do it? Or do i have to disable the apu in the bios? And i was looking at some amd cpu's and is the AMD A10-Series X4 A10-7870K 3.9GHz an apu? I am guessing it is one! I am new to pc's and i am kinda dumb...

As far as the OS is concerned, the APU's GPU is a discrete GPU.  If you add a discrete GPU in addition to that, and do not disable the GPU in the APU, the OS will think you have two graphics cards and behave accordingly.  It's unlikely that you would need this setup so it generally makes sense to disable the GPU in the APU since it's mostly needless.  Unless your doing that 'Asymetrical CrossfireX' thing but that only works with a limited range of GPUs.

 

I did this myself with an older APU.  I had an A8-3870K system and later had a Radeon HD 6850 to hand-me-down into it, the 6850 was vastly superior to the APU's graphical offerings so I disabled it and the A8-3870K basically just became a Phenom II X4.

[bbpb]

APU's in my opinion are good enough for low settings at low resolutions for a low budget but playable in most cases (mine in particular being shadow of mordor which I played in lowest settings at 1600x900) or online games (like world of warcraft, league of legends, CS:GO, Dota 2) at 1080p and decent framerates at high settings in most cases. 

[Curious Pineapple]

7 hours ago, LazyPigeon said:

And this mobo MSI 970A SLI KRAIT EDITION? And then next year i might get an rx 480....

I have that board and an FX-6300. BIOS update as soon as you can and all should be good

[Godlygamer23]

On 9/2/2016 at 7:21 AM, ScratchCat said:

It will work fine, you could even crossfire them(Not great though)

It depends on the GPU. Certain criteria applies when trying to put the IGP and a dGPU in Crossfire.

[Nena Trinity]

Athlon X4 is what you ant if you want to go for the FM2+ platform, or the AM3+ FX-6300 but the best if you can reach it is a i5-6600K or higher.

[TheRandomness]

@LazyPigeon Are these plans for a new build?

Edited September 3, 2016 by Godlygamer23
Clean up.

[VerticalDiscussions]

14 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

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As if you knew lol. Anyways, moving on and ignoring the haters gonna hate the comments of the alleged fanboys...

[LazyPigeon]

8 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

You can. The FX series is somewhat older than the APUs, but the FX-63XX or FX-83XX will run fuster than FM2+ chips. However, the whole AM3+ platform is old, and while you can still use it at the right price, it probably doesn't make sense to build a computer with new parts at this point. You can shop for used FX CPUs and motherboards and save some money if you go that route.

If you want to buy new, and in a tight budget, I still think an Athlon CPU i+n the FM2+ socket + a discrete GPU will be the most cost-effective solution (the best Athlons are $100 max). If you can get an FX 6300 in the same range, the choice is yours  

 

I have no experience with that motherboard, although the KRAIT lineup has a very bad reputation in this forum. There is a video about one literally catching fire, although that was the owner's fault (he used an unsupported CPU, unsupported due to power requirements exceeding the motherboard capabilities). The FX 6300 doesn't demand so much power, especially if you don't overclock it much, so it could be fine. My personal experience with the Asus 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 and the ASRock 970 Performance has been very good.

Well the am3+ cpu i mentioned is about 120 euros... I think it might br all good... But where i shop i cant find a nice black and white mobo and so the krait i thought would be right for me... But noe I guess I will find another one..

[LazyPigeon]

4 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

@LazyPigeon Are these plans for a new build?

Nope its an upgrade...

Edited September 3, 2016 by Godlygamer23
Clean up.