Windows 7 - Windows 10 | Worth it?

[refinedskillz]

I wanna upgrade to Windows 10 for DX12 etc. Is it worth the upgrade? And if so where could I get it the cheapest.

[79wjd]

Why didn't you upgrade when it was free? 

 

Kinguin/G2a/ reddit/softwareswap 

 

Whether or not it is worth it depends on whether DX12 offers any meaningful performance benefit to YOU in the games YOU play. Look up DX11 and DX12 benchmarks for games you play. 

[PRTI]

Its not free anymore tho...

 

Should have upgraded when it was free  

[refinedskillz]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Why didn't you upgrade when it was free? 

 

Kinguin/G2a/ reddit/softwareswap 

When windows 10 was launched I was kind of thrown towards thinking if you get it your life secrets will be revealed by Youtube.

[79wjd]

Just now, refinedskillz said:

When windows 10 was launched I was kind of thrown towards thinking if you get it your life secrets will be revealed by Youtube.

It was a free upgrade until a month ago. 

[Curious Pineapple]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

 

Still free if you use that upgrade tool I believe. I wouldn't bother though, Win 10 is causing a lot of people a lot of problems.

[refinedskillz]

9 minutes ago, Curious Pineapple said:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

 

Still free if you use that upgrade tool I believe. I wouldn't bother though, Win 10 is causing a lot of people a lot of problems.

What is assistive technologies? 0_o

[GoodBytes]

Assistive Technologies (AT) are specialized software or equipment to use a computer for those who has a disability or need to better use their computer. You need proof that you have such technology as per agreement. Microsoft is building a verification of this.

The reason for this is that Windows 10 changed things which can affect accessibility of Windows and programs, potentially breaking third party AT's. So, Microsoft is giving extra time for drivers and software for equipment to be upgraded. Once most will adapt, expect this offer to disappear.

 

[refinedskillz]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

Assistive Technologies (AT) are specialized software or equipment to use a computer for those who has a disability or need to better use their computer. You need proof that you have such technology as per agreement. Microsoft is building a verification of this.

The reason for this is that Windows 10 changed things which can affect accessibility of Windows and programs, potentially breaking third party AT's. So, Microsoft is giving extra time for drivers and software for equipment to be upgraded. Once most will adapt, expect this offer to disappear.

 

Sooo, I just have to pretend im disabled?

[79wjd]

21 minutes ago, Curious Pineapple said:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

 

Still free if you use that upgrade tool I believe. I wouldn't bother though, Win 10 is causing a lot of people a lot of problems.

 

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Assistive Technologies (AT) are specialized software or equipment to use a computer for those who has a disability or need to better use their computer. You need proof that you have such technology as per agreement. Microsoft is building a verification of this.

The reason for this is that Windows 10 changed things which can affect accessibility of Windows and programs, potentially breaking third party AT's. So, Microsoft is giving extra time for drivers and software for equipment to be upgraded. Once most will adapt, expect this offer to disappear.

 

I thought Microsoft removed this loophole because it was being abused. 

[GoodBytes]

2 minutes ago, refinedskillz said:

Sooo, I just have to pretend im disabled?

It is against forum rules to talk about illegal activity.

This is aimed for those who uses AT technology. If you want to pretend, you can.,.. buy a couple hundred of dollar equipment or software that has issues with Windows 10, install it, and now use the tool... but buying Windows 10 full price, retail box is cheaper. So I don't get it why would one do this.

[refinedskillz]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

It is against forum rules to talk about illegal activity.

This is aimed for those who uses AT technology. If you want to pretend, you can.,.. buy a couple hundred of dollar equipment or software that has issues with Windows 10, install it, and now use the tool... but buying Windows 10 full price, retail box is cheaper. So I don't get it why would one do this.

Ok, but is the upgrade even any good?

[GoodBytes]

1 minute ago, refinedskillz said:

Ok, but is the upgrade even any good?

You can install Windows 10 as a trial, and you can see for yourself.

Windows 10 has been running great on my side and all systems I have touched.

However, a few people on the forum has little problems here and there which may or may not have fixed. But mention any OS, and I can dig you people with problems with their setup.

[Delicieuxz]

As GoodBytes says, you can try it out and find out for yourself.

 

But since you asked for opinions, mine is, after having used Windows 10 as my primary OS for many months, that it is very much not worth moving from Windows 7, and I believe Windows 7 to be a superior OS to Windows 10 in far too many ways to warrant making the move.

 

Regarding gaming in Windows 7 or 10:

Regarding everything else:

 

[NavyCuda]

My win10 installation died after booting off a different hard drive for backup purposes.

 

I reinstalled win7 and I'm not going back to 10.  I don't think dx12 is a good enough justification for win10, especially as vulkan gets better.

[79wjd]

20 minutes ago, NavyCuda said:

My win10 installation died after booting off a different hard drive for backup purposes.

 

I reinstalled win7 and I'm not going back to 10.  I don't think dx12 is a good enough justification for win10, especially as vulkan gets better.

Realistically Vulkan isn't ever going to become a mainstream API. So DX12 is what's going to be common in all future games (and so W10 will eventually become important). 

[Delicieuxz]

35 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Realistically Vulkan isn't ever going to become a mainstream API. So DX12 is what's going to be common in all future games (and so W10 will eventually become important). 

How do you figure that? It's because DX12 is Win10 only that it is less likely to become a mainstream API than Vulkan, which is for Win XP, Win Vista, Win 7, Win 8, Win 10, Linux, Android, and more.

 

Valve: DirectX 12 does not make a lot of sense, Vulkan does

 

Vulkan already has mainstream game engine support, as expressed in my signature:

 

Developers / engines confirmed to be supporting the Vulkan API: Epic (Unreal 4), Unity (Unity 5), Valve (Source 2), DICE (FrostBite), CroTeam (Serious Engine 4), id Software (id Tech 6), Crytek (Cry Engine V)

 

 

[Curious Pineapple]

23 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

It is against forum rules to talk about illegal activity.

This is aimed for those who uses AT technology. If you want to pretend, you can.,.. buy a couple hundred of dollar equipment or software that has issues with Windows 10, install it, and now use the tool... but buying Windows 10 full price, retail box is cheaper. So I don't get it why would one do this.

It works perfectly fine, don't need to have anything installed or connected, no disclaimer, nothing. Just downloads, installs and reboots a million times. Just done it from 7 to 10.

[GoodBytes]

1 hour ago, NavyCuda said:

My win10 installation died after booting off a different hard drive for backup purposes.

 

I reinstalled win7 and I'm not going back to 10.  I don't think dx12 is a good enough justification for win10, especially as vulkan gets better.

That doesn't make any sense. Did you happen to clone your drive?

Windows 10 has A LOT more than just "DirectX". I highly doubt you use your computer as a gaming console.

 

[NavyCuda]

9 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

That doesn't make any sense. Did you happen to clone your drive?

Windows 10 has A LOT more than just "DirectX". I highly doubt you use your computer as a gaming console.

 

No.  Long story short, office computer died.  Using the office HDD in my personal machine and booting off the office drive, while leaving my other drives attached.  Windows 7 on the office drive didn't freak out too badly with the massive change in hardware.  I made no alterations to the win10 installation but when the computer came back home without the office drive, Win10 shit the bed.

[GoodBytes]

14 minutes ago, NavyCuda said:

No.  Long story short, office computer died.  Using the office HDD in my personal machine and booting off the office drive, while leaving my other drives attached.  Windows 7 on the office drive didn't freak out too badly with the massive change in hardware.  I made no alterations to the win10 installation but when the computer came back home without the office drive, Win10 shit the bed.

Ah ok. Well, Windows does not support system change. While it does have a system to re-detect things and avoid a BSOD at startup like it used to do (XP and older, well Vista as well, but Vista was more robust on that front than XP), it isn't really something to use. Microsoft recommends to clean install. Seeing progress done on that on every new version of Windows, it could be a reality one day, like what Linux has now, but it isn't now.

[GoodBytes]

@Delicieuxz, for Winamp, did you install "Winamp Agent". I am trying to replicate things.

[GoodBytes]

@Delicieuxz, for Winamp, did you install "Winamp Agent". I am trying to replicate things.

[Delicieuxz]

@GoodBytes Yes, I installed Winamp Agent.

 

I didn't look at all the specific file types reset by Windows 10, only a few of them, but I think they were mostly video files, which I had set to open with MPC. They were changed back to TV & Movies. I think one of the music file types that changed was for M3U music playlists, which changed to Groove. I changed it back to Winamp, 

 

I have two instances of MPC installed in Windows 10. One is with the Combined-Community-Codec-Pack-64bit-2015-10-18 codec pack, and the other with the K-Lite_Codec_Pack_1230_Mega codec pack.

[GoodBytes]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

@GoodBytes Yes, I installed Winamp Agent.

 

I didn't look at all the specific file types reset by Windows 10, only a few of them, but I think they were mostly video files, which I had set to open with MPC. They were changed back to TV & Movies. I think one of the music file types that changed was for M3U music playlists, which changed to Groove. I changed it back to Winamp, 

 

I have two instances of MPC installed in Windows 10. One is with the Combined-Community-Codec-Pack-64bit-2015-10-18 codec pack, and the other with the K-Lite_Codec_Pack_1230_Mega codec pack.

Ok. Yea. I am doing a full software file association and trying every single file format I can try, and restart my computer.

So far, Media Center Classic (at least the latest version out now), shows 0 problem. HOWEVER, I did to set the file association from Settings > System > Default apps (but it is not the software, it is Windows 10 where you need to use this panel to set file associations, unless it is one that was never associated with anything before). Note: I got Media Center Classic from the official website: https://mpc-hc.org/

 

I don't know why you have 2 codec packs on your system, but I recommend to remove them (well they probably screwed up your Windows, if they still never updated how codecs are registered, and do like XP days and just overrides Windows built-in ones), so you are looking at re-installing Windows. You'll know once you remove both software and see if Windows can play DivX, MKVs, and so on. If it does, then good they fixed their stuff. I use Shark007. Horrible website, don't like the setup these days with all these extra software it wants to install that you need to uncheck, but the codecs are excellent, and includes a common control panel, includes 32 and 64-bit codecs to work with all Windows built-in software and ActiveX, and thumbnail preview works.

 

I am going to test Winamp now.