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Obama signs internet over to United Nations

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1 minute ago, Memories4K said:

Cheaper, more easily produced, tastier, and higher-quality genetically modified blueberries over the more expensive organic meme blueberries? Yeah, i would buy the cheaper option because it's actually better, don't meme yourself friend.

I'm not saying go that one shady grocery store and look for cans of somehow expired SPAM. I'm saying be smart and don't be afraid of "chemicals".

I work in a chemical plant. Without Chemicals we wouldn’t survive. At the same time, I have a few course of environmental science under my belt. It is ‘technically’ fine, you’re right. But my number one priority is to not disrespect the environment. Industrial agriculture is what harms earth the most. 

 

Did you know soil is an ecosystem? Do you know how difficult it is to maintain an ecosystem with non-natural practice? 

 

But I am mostly agreeing with you. It is totally safe, but I choose to support the local, organic market.

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2 hours ago, Memories4K said:

I really doubt this would affect ISPs at all.

It's more a problem with our own internal business practices and legislation.

So your saying I need some legal document and if I get a lot of signatures from people I might get the senator to think about it for a second then dismiss it

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12 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Also, there's nothing wrong with sugar.

Diabetes? It's a consequence of sugar consumption, and that only.

 

not to mention obesity

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22 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

The political system may not be the best. Not putting any blame on anything, but you’re right.

 

The economy is the worst in the world? Um, I don’t follow or know how to interpret that to be true. Relative to ourselves, haha you are right, we have the worst economic growth!

 

We have stagnant growth with a dollar that's loosing value and prices for goods have been steadily increasing. The country as a whole is spending more than it is making contributing to its massive amount of debt that needs to be paid from somewhere.

 

Where I live there is no issues with our infrastructure.

 

Infrastructure includes power lines, sewage, water runoff, bridges, etc. None of them are in very good condition throughout the country except in select areas.

 

You’re going to say we are a monopolized nation? Really? That would be Brazil, to name one example, who’s whole government is basically a singular oil company.

 

At what point does "high-tech industries" become a nation?

 

I am going to go ahead and take a guess that you have not finished or have finished high school in the past 3 years. Federal education, aka social conditioning, has taken a very bad turn recently. The recent education standards have conditioned individuals to see every negative about this nation whilst just skimming over the positives.

 

Graduated from high school in 2014 and have spent times in schools across the country in that time. I think I would have an inkling about our educational system.

 

Let me ask you, where are the highest quality institutes of higher education in the world? How many of them are on US soil?

 

I'd wager counties like Sweden, Denmark, France, Australia and so on provide higher quality education, with or without counting how much you spend on that education.

 

Let me ask you, where are the highest quality institutes of medical treatment in the world? How many of them are on US soil?

 

According to this the best ranked institutes for medical care are in the United States. However I would not go as far to say that is because the United States produces all of the best medical students. Many medical universities outside of the States produce fantastic doctors. You cannot completely correlate the two together.

 

Now pricing may not be remotely good, but you can thank the last 10 years of government for failing us in that respect.

 

Food standards!! Almost missed that one! Actually, I can’t really comment on that, to be honest. I get a lot of food tax free from my backyard. When I do buy food, it is from HED or Kroger, they sell very high quality stuff, no complaints.

 

I can tell you on this side of Texas we don't have HEB or Kroger. In fact I'm happy we've finally gotten a Sprout's in the city. And a lot of the United States is the same. Places like Kroger, Sprout's, and Whole Foods are small chains. There's a reason Wal-Mart is the "standard."

 

Your reality may be different. But I love this country and I will defend it until I die. I love this country. Even though Obama and liberals want to kill everything good we have going, I still love this country. And they too are Americans. 

 

I like the States a lot too but I'm not blind to not point out glaring problems. There's no reason other countries can have certain aspects of their daily life better than us and we cannot do the same.

 

19 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

"Chemical happy"

You're not one of those anti-GMO activists who think GMOs cause cancer or some shit right?

Let me put your fears to rest right now and tell you that the science behind the food is sound.

I think you're confusing "chemicals" with just a regular ingredient list.

Also, there's nothing wrong with sugar.

The U.S. biggest problem regarding food is education, not the food.

Amerifats and Lardy McFatAss' biggest problem is an over-consumption of calories, a nutritionally-deficient diet, and a completely distorted view of what it means to have a healthy diet (Such as believing only organic, gluten-free, grass-fed almonds to make almond milk is the only way to eat healthy but is also more expensive, thereby justifying their poor eating habits on cost)

Two things for this.

 

No I'm not anti-GMO, to an extent. I don't see a problem with modifying food to be more bountiful and having more nutrients, but I can find fault with pesticides becoming a part of the plant. This is just a very rough example.

 

The second is no there's nothing wrong with sugar, however there's a lot of food that is over sugared, or food which doesn't require sugar in it in the first place. Take bread as an example. This doesn't apply to all bread, but I've found bread before with more sugar than it needs. Again, rough example. But those are my qualms.

16 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

Yeah this is a bunch of crap. If you go to Walmart and buy the absolute cheapest ‘edible’ products then you’re probably going to be eating some less than quality products.

 

I would and will very easily argue that we have the highest quality food available to a larger base of consumers than any other nation. You just have to pay for it, shocker!?

I shouldn't have to pay extra for a tomato that is overly sweet and has the texture of styrofoam.

 

Shocker, right!?

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16 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

So your saying I need some legal document and if I get a lot of signatures from people I might get the senator to think about it for a second then dismiss it

Not really.

I didn't offer any solution, i'm just saying that is the problem hahaha

 

16 hours ago, Energycore said:

Diabetes? It's a consequence of sugar consumption, and that only.

 

not to mention obesity

No, the ailments of diabetes is the consequence of sugar consumption and glucose imbalance.

I have a background in dietetics, i can tell you that "sugar consumption" is not the U.S.'s biggest priorities when it comes to food.

Do Americans take in too much sugar? On average, yes, absolutely, though not the real cause for obesity/weight gain.

Is sugar to blame for our country's obesity epidemic or nutritional problems? No, absolutely not.

 

16 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

 

Two things for this.

 

No I'm not anti-GMO, to an extent. I don't see a problem with modifying food to be more bountiful and having more nutrients, but I can find fault with pesticides becoming a part of the plant. This is just a very rough example.

 

The second is no there's nothing wrong with sugar, however there's a lot of food that is over sugared, or food which doesn't require sugar in it in the first place. Take bread as an example. This doesn't apply to all bread, but I've found bread before with more sugar than it needs. Again, rough example. But those are my qualms.

I shouldn't have to pay extra for a tomato that is overly sweet and has the texture of styrofoam.

 

Shocker, right!?

Literally, that's never been a real concern. Even USDA organic foods use pesticides, insecticides, etc. So you don't have to worry about, again, "chemicals" in your food.

What you do have to worry about is mishaps when something is NOT up to the standards of the FDA and you have some kind of e.coli breakout in spinach or your yogurt that has to be recalled.

 

Ok, here's the thing.

There's a lot of food i would never recommend. Ever.

But that's only based on a nutritional standpoint.

Some people like their bacon-infused mayonnaise, and that's ok, that's the beauty of a free market.

Some people like they're potato bread, regardless of the fact there's more sugar added and less fiber, that is also ok. Some people just like potato bread (love it, but only once in a blue moon).

When i buy my fruit, do i look to make sure that there's no added sugar? yes. Does that mean if someone likes extra sugar in their fruit that they should be neglected as a consumer? no.

Just because you have the OPTION to purchase a more sugary, savory, sweet, less-nutritionally-valued, food product doesn't mean you have to or that there's no reason for anyone to buy food.

Before working in dietetics, i sometimes used to forget myself why people would buy food they liked the taste of instead of the "less tasty" alternative.

 

Again, education's the real problem here and you, yourself, are showing the results of someone who has an unhealthy and inaccurate view of what a healthy diet REALLY is (not to criticize you but to show how easy and common it is with the average person) It's not about pointing the finger at McDonald's, saying they are to blame for childhood obesity, and regulating how much soda you are allowed to purchase at a McDonald's establishment (referencing an older news story). Taking away people's freedoms and choices is not the key. We have to take responsibility for ourselves and realize we all have choices.

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4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

 

Thanks for the time and effort.  

 

Your first comment about the dollar bill and spending more than we have:

This is mostly politically. Since 2008 Obama has been pumping federal money into the economy strictly for short term gains, basically. He says he, “saved the world from a global collapse” or what have you, but I don’t think he did a good job. Spending that kind of money, essentially doubling(A SHIT TON) our national debt should yield better results than merely floating by. A lot of it was not necessary or straight up against the long term business interest. On the same hand, credit is or was a major issue, things aren’t so bad now, but not perfect. People can’t buy what they can’t afford and expect things to go down dandy forever. Not just anyone can afford a 5,000ft2 house, but anyone who truly works for a living should also be able to buy a house.

 

 

Infrastructure:

I agree with you that as a whole, the infrastructure is in massive decline. Just because it is not a problem for me, doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem. There are less than 40k people in my area, but it absolutely amazing. Recently, we had a lot of flooding. Many people in the city had to leave or lost their homes, but my neighborhood was blessed to have no issues.

 

 

High tech industries:

I suppose I miss interpreted things. Monopolies aren’t the best, but they also aren’t the worst. I am not saying we need monopolies, I am just saying there shouldn’t be considerable efforts made to take down a market king. If anything there should be transparency as to what ‘monopoly-like’ pracitces are being taken place. For example if Nvidia was acting alone in the GPU market it could be a good thing, but we know it won’t because our gtx 1070 would then be 2 easy payments of $299.99. Another example, was American Telegraph and Telephone back in their starting days. AT&T would have been much better today, I think.

 

 

What’re you studying?

Personally, I would rather get a degree in engineering from Germany, Holland, or Austria. With edical, if I was in the position that required very complex procedures or surgery then I wouldnt have a problem not paying an America doctor/surgeon. My main argument for American higher education, key word: higher, and Medicine is the quality. The highest people of society from across the world come to America for medal treatment and education, because we have the best, highest quality. With that respect, if you are not one of the 1% in terms of affluence or raw intelligence, then it may be to your advantage. 

 

The underlining issue here is government. If we have the best medial technology in the world, why are basic things and procedures still so expensive?

 

Also relating to doctors or nurses, we have the best more often than not. Not because Americas are good at becoming doctors, but because we import the best to do the job.

 

 

Finally, food quality:

I think you should have to pay extra for an amazing tomato. Why? Because the cheapest tomatoes are design and produce to be just that, the cheapest. The ‘extra’ more expensive tomatoes are actually what a tomato costs. If America wanted higher quality food, then they would vote for it with their wallets. That is why Krogers, HEB, and whole foods are booming where they pop up. People want to the quality and are willing to pay for it. If you don’t support crappy peaches, then buy the expensive ones. If the cheap ones keep selling then they are going to keep popping up. 

 

 

Americas Issues can be solved by the people, not the government. The government is at the heart of all core issues. If we will for government to fix government, then we are essentially selling the soul of the nation. In addition, spirituality and individualism can fix many societal problems. 

 

 

 

Who do you want to lead the world, China, Russia or the USA?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The derp in particular people in the US commenting on this thread does not represent the views held by intelligent members of society...

 

This is a good thing for the long term health of the internet. It's kinda weird to me that it hadn't already happened, but the sooner we get it out of US hands the less potential there is for a group of people within the government to try to bend this organization to its will.

 

Plus this is one further step along the path towards recognizing a free (as in open) and independent internet. Which is always good.

 

Too bad Obama isn't actually doing anything here only trying to get it done...

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The derp in particular people in the US commenting on this thread does not represent the views held by intelligent members of society...

 

This is a good thing for the long term health of the internet. It's kinda weird to me that it hadn't already happened, but the sooner we get it out of US hands the less potential there is for a group of people within the government to try to bend this organization to its will.

 

Plus this is one further step along the path towards recognizing a free (as in open) and independent internet. Which is always good.

 

Too bad Obama isn't actually doing anything here only trying to get it done...

So instead of allowing the internet to stay in the hands that it has always been in, you want to hand it off to what you expect to be more free.

 

When the UN has already failed largely on the concept of ‘freedom’ 

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So instead of allowing the internet to stay in the hands that it has always been in, you want to hand it off to what you expect to be more free.

 

When the UN has already failed largely on the concept of ‘freedom’ 

Yes... I want it out of the US hands so no single countries corrupt and frankly idiotic (blatantly stupid and misinformed) politicians can completely fuck things up.

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10 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Is sugar to blame for our country's obesity epidemic or nutritional problems? No, absolutely not.

Then what is?

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Yes... I want it out of the US hands so no single countries corrupt and frankly idiotic (blatantly stupid and misinformed) politicians can completely fuck things up.

So, you assume you are not misinformed, either? You assume ‘handing’ the internet over will give you more of what you want?

 

16 hours ago, Energycore said:

Then what is?

ignorance

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1 hour ago, Memories4K said:

"Chemical happy"

You're not one of those anti-GMO activists who think GMOs cause cancer or some shit right?

Let me put your fears to rest right now and tell you that the science behind the food is sound.

I think you're confusing "chemicals" with just a regular ingredient list.

Also, there's nothing wrong with sugar.

The U.S. biggest problem regarding food is education, not the food.

Amerifats and Lardy McFatAss' biggest problem is an over-consumption of calories, a nutritionally-deficient diet, and a completely distorted view of what it means to have a healthy diet (Such as believing only organic, gluten-free, grass-fed almonds to make almond milk is the only way to eat healthy but is also more expensive, thereby justifying their poor eating habits on cost)

There is no such thing as a calorie to your body. The problem is the quality of food and the garbage ratios we were force fed by the state. We cut out the healthy fats and nutrient rich meats and vegetables and told to eat whole grains, stuffing ourselves with carbs, and we'd be perfectly healthy removing those scary meats, fats, and eggs. 

 

There are some really good papers and articles on CICO and CRaP if you do a search for "There is no such thing as a calorie to your body"

 

Nutritionists got shafted a few decades ago in america when politicians decided they should be the ones who say what we should be eating, and most doctors have no requirement to understand nutrition, its an entirely elective course in med school, and most of them are a single set of credit hours unless you are working to become a nutritionist.

 

On Topic: Oversight agencies aren't a major concern for me, more concerning is overstepping by governments on privately owned networks. If you want to know how internet should be run at the ground floor level look at Romania

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Then what is?

Lack of education.

I mean, if you want to be literal, an over-consumption of calories. End of story.

That's just a repercussion of a poor education though, so the real problem is not being properly educated on the human body and in regard to nutrition.

 

I mean there's also those people who do know better but are too lazy or unmotivated to change anything, so they'll blame anyone else but themselves but for the most part education reform would be my first step into the right direction of turning that problem around.

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Lack of education.

I mean, if you want to be literal, an over-consumption of calories. End of story.

That's just a repercussion of a poor education though, so the real problem is not being properly educated on the human body and in regard to nutrition.

 

I mean there's also those people who do know better but are too lazy or unmotivated to change anything, so they'll blame anyone else but themselves but for the most part education reform would be my first step into the right direction of turning that problem around.

Ok, but do people take in more calories through sugar than other mediums e.g. lipids?

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So, you assume you are not misinformed, either? You assume ‘handing’ the internet over will give you more of what you want?

Actually no. I unlike these politicians that are so quick to decry this, fundamentally know how the internet works on a technical level.

 

Ted Cruz:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/truth-testing-ted-cruzs-l_b_9052846.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/07/21/ted_cruz_blasts_icann_transition_at_republican_national_convention.html

 

Donald Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/12/16/donald-trump-doesnt-know-how-the-internet-works/?utm_term=.b4cc9cf79fa3

 

 

And this isn't only GOP people... Jill Stein for example has repeatedly shown she has no idea how the internet actually functions...

 

http://www.cnet.com/news/trump-not-the-first-politician-to-say-dumb-things-about-the-net/

 

In general, US politicians have consistently shown themselves to be complete idiots when it comes to the internet, net neutrality (and many other individual issues). The farther we get their greedy palms away from it the better.

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There is no such thing as a calorie to your body. The problem is the quality of food and the garbage ratios we were force fed by the state. We cut out the healthy fats and nutrient rich meats and vegetables and told to eat whole grains, stuffing ourselves with carbs, and we'd be perfectly healthy removing those scary meats, fats, and eggs. 

 

There are some really good papers and articles on CICO and CRaP if you do a search for "There is no such thing as a calorie to your body"

 

Nutritionists got shafted a few decades ago in america when politicians decided they should be the ones who say what we should be eating, and most doctors have no requirement to understand nutrition, its an entirely elective course in med school, and most of them are a single set of credit hours unless you are working to become a nutritionist.

 

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Nutritionists are not dietitians lmao i wouldn't go to a physician when i would need a dietitian. That's like going to a Nurse practitioner to replace a root canal.

You have a very poor understanding of nutrition, your body absolutely takes in calories.

Consume 4,000 calories a day, for a month, by the end of the month we'd see you'd have gained a significant amount of weight in that span of a month. Also, those government ratios are a meme but they're like a "one-size fits all suit" you rent out for prom. Go to a dietitian, they'll help you out to find the ratio that you need. (actually not even a ratio because in dietetics you would be more accurate and list exactly what your nutritional goals would be)

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Lack of education.

I mean, if you want to be literal, an over-consumption of calories. End of story.

That's just a repercussion of a poor education though, so the real problem is not being properly educated on the human body and in regard to nutrition.

 

I mean there's also those people who do know better but are too lazy or unmotivated to change anything, so they'll blame anyone else but themselves but for the most part education reform would be my first step into the right direction of turning that problem around.

Actually, what concerns me is that as of today, education for healthy consumption of calories is in direct conflict with the marketing teams of the US's biggest food companies and groups. People like Coca Cola and would rather people kept taking in the calories they sell.

 

So I would argue that they're the problem. Kids go to school which is conceived as a less than firendly environment and hear about sugar being bad. Then they go watch TV, which is engineered to be pleasant, and during commercial breaks are manipulated into wanting more mcdonalds, more soda, more candy

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Ok, but do people take in more calories through sugar than other mediums e.g. lipids?

No.

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No.

Which one is it then?

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Literally, that's never been a real concern. Even USDA organic foods use pesticides, insecticides, etc. So you don't have to worry about, again, "chemicals" in your food.

What you do have to worry about is mishaps when something is NOT up to the standards of the FDA and you have some kind of e.coli breakout in spinach or your yogurt that has to be recalled.

 

Ok, here's the thing.

There's a lot of food i would never recommend. Ever.

But that's only based on a nutritional standpoint.

Some people like their bacon-infused mayonnaise, and that's ok, that's the beauty of a free market.

Some people like they're potato bread, regardless of the fact there's more sugar added and less fiber, that is also ok. Some people just like potato bread (love it, but only once in a blue moon).

When i buy my fruit, do i look to make sure that there's no added sugar? yes. Does that mean if someone likes extra sugar in their fruit that they should be neglected as a consumer? no.

Just because you have the OPTION to purchase a more sugary, savory, sweet, less-nutritionally-valued, food product doesn't mean you have to or that there's no reason for anyone to buy food.

Before working in dietetics, i sometimes used to forget myself why people would buy food they liked the taste of instead of the "less tasty" alternative.

 

Again, education's the real problem here and you, yourself, are showing the results of someone who has an unhealthy and inaccurate view of what a healthy diet REALLY is (not to criticize you but to show how easy and common it is with the average person) It's not about pointing the finger at McDonald's, saying they are to blame for childhood obesity, and regulating how much soda you are allowed to purchase at a McDonald's establishment (referencing an older news story). Taking away people's freedoms and choices is not the key. We have to take responsibility for ourselves and realize we all have choices.

Except I gave you two very rough examples so you automatically assume my opinion is because of mis-education or a lack of education on the subject. That's not so. Chemical is a very broad term and that's why I made a broad, basic explanation. To boil it down for you, if I'm making a BLT sandwich, the ingredients list should not be a paragraph long. To make bread you only need flour, water, yeast, and a little bit of sugar and salt. The rest of it is just bacon, lettuce, and a tomato.

 

Again, very boiled down and a broad explanation, but if you're making food. You only actually need food that goes in to it. Also, growing is separate from making.

10 minutes ago, DutchTexan said:

Thanks for the time and effort.  

 

Your first comment about the dollar bill and spending more than we have:

This is mostly politically. Since 2008 Obama has been pumping federal money into the economy strictly for short term gains, basically. He says he, “saved the world from a global collapse” or what have you, but I don’t think he did a good job. Spending that kind of money, essentially doubling(A SHIT TON) our national debt should yield better results than merely floating by. A lot of it was not necessary or straight up against the long term business interest. On the same hand, credit is or was a major issue, things aren’t so bad now, but not perfect. People can’t buy what they can’t afford and expect things to go down dandy forever. Not just anyone can afford a 5,000ft2 house, but anyone who truly works for a living should also be able to buy a house.

 

 

Infrastructure:

I agree with you that as a whole, the infrastructure is in massive decline. Just because it is not a problem for me, doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem. There are less than 40k people in my area, but it absolutely amazing. Recently, we had a lot of flooding. Many people in the city had to leave or lost their homes, but my neighborhood was blessed to have no issues.

 

 

High tech industries:

I suppose I miss interpreted things. Monopolies aren’t the best, but they also aren’t the worst. I am not saying we need monopolies, I am just saying there shouldn’t be considerable efforts made to take down a market king. If anything there should be transparency as to what ‘monopoly-like’ pracitces are being taken place. For example if Nvidia was acting alone in the GPU market it could be a good thing, but we know it won’t because our gtx 1070 would then be 2 easy payments of $299.99. Another example, was American Telegraph and Telephone back in their starting days. AT&T would have been much better today, I think.

 

 

What’re you studying?

Personally, I would rather get a degree in engineering from Germany, Holland, or Austria. With edical, if I was in the position that required very complex procedures or surgery then I wouldnt have a problem not paying an America doctor/surgeon. My main argument for American higher education, key word: higher, and Medicine is the quality. The highest people of society from across the world come to America for medal treatment and education, because we have the best, highest quality. With that respect, if you are not one of the 1% in terms of affluence or raw intelligence, then it may be to your advantage. 

 

The underlining issue here is government. If we have the best medial technology in the world, why are basic things and procedures still so expensive?

 

Also relating to doctors or nurses, we have the best more often than not. Not because Americas are good at becoming doctors, but because we import the best to do the job.

 

 

Finally, food quality:

I think you should have to pay extra for an amazing tomato. Why? Because the cheapest tomatoes are design and produce to be just that, the cheapest. The ‘extra’ more expensive tomatoes are actually what a tomato costs. If America wanted higher quality food, then they would vote for it with their wallets. That is why Krogers, HEB, and whole foods are booming where they pop up. People want to the quality and are willing to pay for it. If you don’t support crappy peaches, then buy the expensive ones. If the cheap ones keep selling then they are going to keep popping up. 

 

 

Americas Issues can be solved by the people, not the government. The government is at the heart of all core issues. If we will for government to fix government, then we are essentially selling the soul of the nation. In addition, spirituality and individualism can fix many societal problems. 

 

Who do you want to lead the world, China, Russia or the USA?

Currently studying cyber security. My point for food quality (and this goes for education perfectly too) is you should not pay for something that's essentially a basic human right. You require food, you should not have to pay extra for something that is healthy for you. It's not hard to grow tomatoes that have the taste and texture that a tomato should, the problem is the majority of Americans are not able to do this in their own backyard. For education, you are almost always required to go through some secondary form of education, you should not have to pay magnitudes more than other countries for the same information that you can get out of an overpriced book.

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2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

In general, US politicians have consistently shown themselves to be complete idiots when it comes to the internet, net neutrality (and many other individual issues). The farther we get their greedy palms away from it the better.

While i applaud you for realizing our government is run by old fogeys of yester-year, that doesn't mean that's something unique to our own government. 

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7 minutes ago, HalGameGuru said:

There is no such thing as a calorie to your body.

LOL WHAT?!?!?

 

You do know the calorie is a fundamental measure of energy that is immutable in the universe right? A calorie inside your body and outside represent the exact same latent energy, and consuming too much of that energy without exception causes the human body to use that excess energy to store fats, END OF STORY.

No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie

 

Do you not know how the human digestive system works?

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10 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Nutritionists are not dietitians lmao i wouldn't go to a physician when i would need a dietitian. That's like going to a Nurse practitioner to replace a root canal.

You have a very poor understanding of nutrition, your body absolutely takes in calories.

Consume 4,000 calories a day, for a month, by the end of the month we'd see you'd have gained a significant amount of weight in that span of a month. Also, those government ratios are a meme but they're like a "one-size fits all suit" you rent out for prom. Go to a dietitian, they'll help you out to find the ratio that you need. (actually not even a ratio because in dietetics you would be more accurate and list exactly what your nutritional goals would be)

Your body metabolizes many things, in many different ways, carbs can only really become blood sugar and have very little use other than that or turning into fat. Proteins, fats, vitamins, go thru MANY processes filling niches LONG BEFORE they are even CONSIDERED for use as energy or storage as fat. The calories you eat does not equate to the energy your body has available. I can find some of the papers if you would like to read them. Your body is not one of the furnaces they use to burn food to figure out how many calories they contain.

 

Nutritionists and dietitians I use interchangeably, I know I shouldn't but whichever the ones were that we dealt with at MD Anderson when dealing with my grandmother's cancer are who I am referring to. The ones that knew what foods and nutrition you actually need versus what the agencies that be tried to convince you you needed.

 

There are studies of people eating 5000 calories a day, merely changing what those calories were made up of and weight gain and weight LOSS being evident based on those changes. If you wish to read up on it I am happy to find you some of the papers, otherwise I'd suggest you back off on things you apparently haven't read up on since the government decided to start dictating human biology 5 years ago.

 

EDIT: They must have been dietitians, they were MD's at MDAnderson.

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

the calorie is a fundamental measure of energy that is immutable in the universe right?

Every time I hear that something is absolute in the universe I think about how science and its method involves a leap of faith and say to myself

 

Filthy fanatics

 

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Every time I hear that something is absolute in the universe I think about how science and its method involves a leap of faith and say to myself

 

Filthy fanatics

 

:D

Lol. Except it really doesn't.. You just choose not to repeat all the previous tests yourself...

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