AMD CPU'S

[Holy_Toast]

Hey guys quick question

I have a 8320 right now, I do like AMD and idk know why and no im not a fan boy (I will switch to intel if needed/wanted) but i just have used amd and enjoy there product.

im aking if i should upgrade to a 9590-9370 or intel equivelent or wait for Zen to come out. i am wanting to upgrade my processor and also, my graphics card to a 1060.

[Wreckingball]

Wait for Zen, the 9590 performance gain isnt too much and youre just making your pc into a toaster. Or if you do want to go for it, when Zen comes out it will lower prices a smidge.

[Imakuni]

5 minutes ago, Holy_Toast said:

im aking if i should upgrade to a 9590-9370

Those are just OCed version of your CPU. So it wouldn't be an upgrade. Aka don't buy them.

5 minutes ago, Holy_Toast said:

wait for Zen to come out

You do realize that waiting for Zen means getting a new motherboard and RAM, don't you?

[Holy_Toast]

2 minutes ago, Rekedal said:

Wait for Zen, the 9590 performance gain isnt too much and youre just making your pc into a toaster. Or if you do want to go for it, when Zen comes out it will lower prices a smidge.

Okay ill do that and yeah they do run hot 

[Techicolors]

9590 is not a good processor, IMO. although it has a ton of cores, it'll run very hot and sip a lot of power

 

Zen is still longs way. it's projected to release in the first or second quarter 2017.

[Holy_Toast]

10 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

Those are just OCed version of your CPU. So it wouldn't be an upgrade. Aka don't buy them.

You do realize that waiting for Zen means getting a new motherboard and RAM, don't you?

Yes i do understand that...

 

 

8 minutes ago, Technicolors said:

9590 is not a good processor, IMO. although it has a ton of cores, it'll run very hot and sip a lot of power

 

Zen is still longs way. it's projected to release in the first or second quarter 2017.

Yeah i might just end up going with intel

[rattacko123]

12 minutes ago, Holy_Toast said:

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What graphics card do you have? AND DO NOT GET 9590! It's basically the same thing as 8320. I would upgrade to intel if I was you, but if you can it may be a good idea to wait for Kaby lake or Zen.

[rattacko123]

14 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Zen is going to be less than comparable than three year old Intel CPU's, so I would go with three year old Intel hardware over AMD in all situations.

In all situations? m8 AMD just got roasted.

Srsly tho, AMD is actually pretty good for heavily multithreaded stuff, but is pretty bad everywhere else. I would definitely consider zen if it is price competitive because of that 40% ipc which imo is enough to make it appealing

[Holy_Toast]

6 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

What graphics card do you have? AND DO NOT GET 9590! It's basically the same thing as 8320. I would upgrade to intel if I was you, but if you can it may be a good idea to wait for Kaby lake or Zen.

Right now i have a msi 750 OC but im going to upgrade in the future like october to a 1060. and okay i wont get a 9590

[rattacko123]

3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

I wouldn't. AMD's claiming that they're 'back' when early benchmark results have to compare their new processors to three year old Intel hardware just to make them feel good about themselves.

Still better than comparing to six year old Intel hardware,  well if it was targeted towards people on a budget that would be great. Brand new featureset for the same price/perf as 3 year old hardware? Yes please.

[Enderman]

The FX9000 CPUs are complete garbage and should never exist.

 

If you honestly want to go with AMD even though their CPUs are worse, that is the definition of a fanboy.

[rattacko123]

3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Really? I can guarantee to you that nothing a consumer does needs SSE4, so there goes your new featureset, although AMD processors of that generation had literally every extension ever heard of, and a pile that nobody ever used to compliment them.

I mean things like what consumers care about, USB 3.1, type c, pcie 3.0, etc. Hopefully AMD will get rid of those unnecessary extensions, and try to target consumers. AMD needs to support some extensions in order to compete with intel, otherwise, in the server/business side they will fail.
Well I'm just hoping that they can give intel some competition at the very least, I do not want intel to become a total monopoly.

[rattacko123]

Just now, rrubberr said:

As if they haven't failed in all markets already...

They are doing pretty well in the graphics market, well at least they were before pascal.

In the CPU market they only appeal to those who cannot afford a dGPU.
 

[rattacko123]

5 minutes ago, Enderman said:

The FX9000 CPUs are complete garbage and should never exist.

 

If you honestly want to go with AMD even though their CPUs are worse, that is the definition of a fanboy.

A lot of people go for things even though they are clearly worse, e.g. Apple fanboys
AMD does have the benefit of having more threads for a cheaper price but that is pretty much it.

[rattacko123]

Just now, rrubberr said:

Yeah, they were doing great before Pascal. AMD sold virtually nothing while Nvidia scooped up buckets of cash with the 970 selling to absolutely everyone interested in a GPU that year. It's not as if their share of the discrete GPU market JUST hit 30%, it's been there for awhile now.

I believe AMD was doing well in the server/business market with their GPUs, and don't forget the Bitcoin mining craze, AMD was great for compute. Now for the first time in 3-4 years, Nvidia is now theoretically better than AMD (not in price, but Perf/watt compute, tonga was actually better than maxwell with the exception of games) and every business is pretty much crazy about pascal. 

[rattacko123]

Just now, rrubberr said:

Grab any four core Intel CPU, maybe the i5 4590, and I can guarantee that it will match the performance of some POS fx 8530. That's like saying 'they are haz manee more GHz'es, is gooD!' The argument is clearly invalid.

the problem is, the i5 4590 is really expensive, of course it performs better. At the low end you have amd 4-cores with igpu and Intel 2-cores. AMD performs much worse, but has more threads which makes it compatible with far cry 4 and GTA V which needs a 4-core for some reason

[Daniel Z.]

You need a very expensive motherboard to run a 9590 because it can fry your motherboard. Either wait for Zen (which is on a new socket) or go to Skylake.

[rattacko123]

10 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Tonga's more efficient, huh? Let's take a look at all of the watercooled Nvidia cards... oh wait...

Fury X consumed 290W, 980 ti was about 275W. Fury/Fury X was 8 teraflops, 980 ti was 6.5 teraflops. Theoretically tonga was better.

10 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

With the exception of games. Where do you think NV makes their money? Where do you think AMD wants to be making their money? Probably on the two people still using GPGPU's to mine bitcoin. Kepler matched AMD's FP64 rate, that's why I bought my Titan Z, Nvidia is not just now better, compare the 780ti and 290x. That's the worst case scenario, and the 780ti matches the 290x in literally everything (except OpenCL compute).

Kepler was pretty good, but AMD had better FP32, the last good Nvidia card (before pascal) was the Titan Black with its fp64. Maxwell is a peice of crap with no fp64, and pascal doesn't have fp64 in consumer grade products. Also remember that the Titan Z/Black is actually super expensive, compared to the equivalent 290X which has similar performance. Nvidia is gimping their 780 ti, 290X is somehow more powerful now?
 

[Daniel Z.]

Overclock your CPU if you can. Eventually switch to an Intel i5.

[Cracklingice]

Wait for Zen to come out if what you have gets you by.  Even if Zen ends up being a generation or two behind Intel in performance, it will mean cheaper used Intel hardware.

[Simon771]

Well there were some reports and benchmarks showing that new AMD 8c/16t can compare to i7 6900k.

So I would wait for AMD to release Zen and then decide.

 

For now, nothing is certain, and they could be faking those results etc.

Also new Kaby Lake should come out the same time as Zen, so you realy should wait and see what Intel and AMD can offer you.

 

But if you want to upgrade right now, get something like i5 6600k. That will kick any AMD CPU avaliable right now, and it will be great pair for your GTX 1060.

[rattacko123]

55 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

But if you want to upgrade right now, get something like i5 6600k. That will kick any AMD CPU avaliable right now, and it will be great pair for your GTX 1060.

AMD GPUs benefit from a beefy CPU, because of the driver overhead. An i5 is good with nvidia while an i7 is good with AMD. An RX 480 may be a better choice depending on what games you play

[SpaceGhostC2C]

I think there's only one thing more stupid and annoying than fanboys: hateboys.