K or non-K CPUs

[xnoobftw]

Is it actually worth it to get an unlocked CPU? It seems like locked processors is where the bang for the buck is at...

Eg. for nearly the same price you can either get

1. i5 unlocked + z-series mobo + high end cooler

2. i7 locked + h-series mobo + 212evo

 

I believe that the i7 locked will still outperform the i5 unlocked in most cases as well...

Especially in my country where the price premium for the K-series CPUs and z-series mobos are like a good 40% above their locked counterparts 

Thoughts on unlocked processors?

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

Is it actually worth it to get an unlocked CPU? It seems like locked processors is where the bang for the buck is at...

Eg. for nearly the same price you can either get

1. i5 unlocked + z-series mobo + high end cooler

2. i7 locked + h-series mobo + 212evo

 

I believe that the i7 locked will still outperform the i5 unlocked in most cases as well...

Especially in my country where the price premium for the K-series CPUs and z-series mobos are like a good 40% above their locked counterparts 

Thoughts on unlocked processors?

An overclocked i5 should outperform a non K i7 in games. Premium is there my fried, it has always been like that. But the locked processors should be ok now for gaming and the H170/B150 chipset is good enough for stability :).

 

The extra cost is for a bigger e-peen  

[xnoobftw]

2 minutes ago, LordGabeNisBae said:

An overclocked i5 should outperform a non K i7 in games. Premium is there my fried, it has always been like that. But the locked processors should be ok now for gaming and the H170/B150 chipset is good enough for stability :).

 

The extra cost is for a bigger e-peen  

You can see that a stock i7 6700k (basically a locked i7 then) is = to i5 6600k at 4.5ghz

[Enderman]

8 minutes ago, xnoobftw said:

You can see that a stock i7 6700k (basically a locked i7 then) is = to i5 6600k at 4.5ghz

6700k is clocked higher than a 6700 even at stock, they are not the exact same thing.

[i_build_nanosuits]

20 minutes ago, xnoobftw said:

Is it actually worth it to get an unlocked CPU? It seems like locked processors is where the bang for the buck is at...

Eg. for nearly the same price you can either get

1. i5 unlocked + z-series mobo + high end cooler

2. i7 locked + h-series mobo + 212evo

 

I believe that the i7 locked will still outperform the i5 unlocked in most cases as well...

Especially in my country where the price premium for the K-series CPUs and z-series mobos are like a good 40% above their locked counterparts 

Thoughts on unlocked processors?

what happened to the machine with the i7-4770 in your signature?

[LordGabeNisBae]

7 minutes ago, xnoobftw said:

You can see that a stock i7 6700k (basically a locked i7 then) is = to i5 6600k at 4.5ghz

i7 6700: 3.4 GHz base, 4.0 Ghz boost

 

i7 6700K: 4.0 Ghz Base, 4.2 Ghz Boost. 

 

That is a massive difference amigo  as stock CPUs do not always boost to their highest clocks.

 

Furthermore, the i7 6700 has a 65 W thermal design which means it will stop boosting much earlier than the i7 6700k which has ~91W TDP

 

There is a big value associated with the K my friend  

[xnoobftw]

7 minutes ago, Enderman said:

6700k is clocked higher than a 6700 even at stock, they are not the exact same thing.

Hmmm.. Fair point. But at boost (usually the cpu operates with turbo boost 100% of the time anyways) there's only a 200mhz diff... Is that alot? 

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

what happened to the machine with the i7-4770 in your signature?

Nothing! Im using it  just curious on whether the unlocked cpus are worth it

Just now, LordGabeNisBae said:

i7 6700: 3.4 GHz base, 4.0 Ghz boost

 

i7 6700K: 4.0 Ghz Base, 4.2 Ghz Boost. 

 

That is a massive difference amigo  as stock CPUs do not always boost to their highest clocks.

 

Furthermore, the i7 6700 has a 65 W thermal design which means it will stop boosting much earlier than the i7 6700k which has ~91W TDP

 

There is a big value associated with the K my friend  

200mhz is massive?  Would you pay 40% more just to get the overclockability? 

Wait isnt TDP how much heat it produces? Then shouldnt the 6700 have a larger headroom with a smaller TDP? 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

Nothing! Im using it  just curious on whether the unlocked cpus are worth it

both these cpu's aren't worthy upgrade to the 4770 that's for sure...as far as an unlocked core i5 versus a locked core i7...both have pros and cons...the core i5 with an overclock will have greater single-threaded performance which most games tend to react the best to...the core i7 will have better thread management and overall slightly better multi-threaded performance which will help boost performance in multi-threaded applications and SOME newer modern demanding games...overall both are good, but none of these are perfect...an unlocked core i7 is the one your should shoot for...but your current CPU is still perfectly fine i would hold on to it for 1 or 2 more years...let new faster stuff come out and wait till you need more CPU horsepower...if you want to improve your gaming experience, spend the money on a better monitor or a faster GPU instead.

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

Hmmm.. Fair point. But at boost (usually the cpu operates with turbo boost 100% of the time anyways) there's only a 200mhz diff... Is that alot? 

Nothing! Im using it  just curious on whether the unlocked cpus are worth it

200mhz is massive?  Would you pay 40% more just to get the overclockability? 

Wait isnt TDP how much heat it produces? Then shouldnt the 6700 have a larger headroom with a smaller TDP? 

Not saying 200 mhz is massive. I am saying that the CPU will spend most of it's time sitting around 3.4-3.7 Ghz on load to stay withing power limits (65W) whereas the k cpu has much more headroom to boost further before hitting power limit so will be most likely hanging around the 4.2 mark  

 

 

[xnoobftw]

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

both these cpu's aren't worthy upgrade to the 4770 that's for sure...as far as an unlocked core i5 versus a locked core i7...both have pros and cons...the core i5 with an overclock will have greater single-threaded performance which most games tend to react the best to...the core i7 will have better thread management and overall slightly better multi-threaded performance which will help boost performance in multi-threaded applications and SOME newer modern demanding games...overall both are good, but none of these are perfect...an unlocked core i7 is the one your should shoot for...but your current CPU is still perfectly fine i would hold on to it for 1 or 2 more years...let new faster stuff come out and wait till you need more CPU horsepower...if you want to improve your gaming experience, spend the money on a better monitor or a faster GPU instead.

True... I was thinking that the 4770 will last me atleast 2 more gpu upgrades before i replace it... The windows transferring issue btwn motherboards for windows 10 is still unknown to me (idk how to do it xD) 

Im planning to sit on 1080p till 4k becomes the norm! So the u2414h is gonna be my buddy for awhile

2 minutes ago, LordGabeNisBae said:

Not saying 200 mhz is massive. I am saying that the CPU will spend most of it's time sitting around 3.4-3.7 Ghz on load to stay withing power limits (65W) whereas the k cpu has much more headroom to boot further before hitting power limit.

 

 

Ah TDP is the limit! It isnt a measurement of how much heat it produces underload  

My 4770 usually boost to it's turbo boost speeds all of the time tho... and it does operate pretty hot under load (65c~) 

So i always thought that locked CPUs always operates at it's turbo speeds 

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

True... I was thinking that the 4770 will last me atleast 2 more gpu upgrades before i replace it... The windows transferring issue btwn motherboards for windows 10 is still unknown to me (idk how to do it xD) 

Im planning to sit on 1080p till 4k becomes the norm! So the u2414h is gonna be my buddy for awhile

Ah TDP is the limit! It isnt a measurement of how much heat it produces underload  

My 4770 usually boost to it's turbo boost speeds all of the time tho... and it does operate pretty hot under load (65c~) 

So i always thought that locked CPUs always operates at it's turbo speeds 

The CPU is only rated for it's base clock, anything over that is an overclock and is not guaranteed. The turbo speeds only occur if the CPU is within thermal and power limits otherwise it will downclock itself to meet those limits  

 

And you have to remember that turbo boost works by overclocking lower number of cores not all of them all the time.

 

so lets say 1 core in the 6700 hits 4.0

2 cores ~3.9

3 cores~3.7

4 cores ~3.6

[i_build_nanosuits]

2 minutes ago, xnoobftw said:

True... I was thinking that the 4770 will last me atleast 2 more gpu upgrades before i replace it... The windows transferring issue btwn motherboards for windows 10 is still unknown to me (idk how to do it xD) 

Im planning to sit on 1080p till 4k becomes the norm! So the u2414h is gonna be my buddy for awhile

Ah TDP is the limit! It isnt a measurement of how much heat it produces underload  

My 4770 usually boost to it's turbo boost speeds all of the time tho... and it does operate pretty hot under load (65c~) 

So i always thought that locked CPUs always operates at it's turbo speeds 

if your CPU hit the boost clock on all threads while under heavy load you probably activated something in your bios to force it to run that way...which is GOOD cause that mean you are getting the best performance possible out of it...so long as the temps are in check and you don't care about a slightly higher power consumption...then it's all good...did you hit MSI OC genie or something like that? this would make the CPU run at the max clock.

[xnoobftw]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

if your CPU hit the boost clock on all threads while under heavy load you probably activated something in your bios to force it to run that way...which is GOOD cause that mean you are getting the best performance possible out of it...so long as the temps are in check and you don't care about a slightly higher power consumption...then it's all good...did you hit MSI OC genie or something like that? this would make the CPU run at the max clock.

How do i do that?!  

Nope i didnt touch the OC genie at all! 

Should i?  

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

How do i do that?!  

Nope i didnt touch the OC genie at all! 

Should i?  

no, since your CPU is already boosting on all cores/threads i wouldn't touch anything in fear to mess your nice setup

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

How do i do that?!  

Nope i didnt touch the OC genie at all! 

Should i?  

It is perfectly fine  don't worry about it. Your temps are far below TJ Max

[xnoobftw]

Just now, LordGabeNisBae said:

It is perfectly fine  don't worry about it. Your temps are far below TJ Max

How do i enable the boosty boosty to my cpu?  

[i_build_nanosuits]

2 minutes ago, xnoobftw said:

How do i enable the boosty boosty to my cpu?  

head to your BIOS, hit the OC genie button at the top...let it do it's magic...save the profile and load windows...put a load on all cores/threads and see how far it boost...if it's better use this profile...if it's not better than it was before head back to the BIOS and load your older profile....simple as that

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

How do i enable the boosty boosty to my cpu?  

Try downloading intel Xtreme tuning utility and have a tinker in there. I got an extra 400 Mhz out of my alienware 18 laptop's i7 4800mq back in the day by playing around with the settings. 

 

But be careful and do not try anything you are not comfortable with  

[xnoobftw]

14 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

head to your BIOS, hit the OC genie button at the top...let it do it's magic...save the profile and load windows...put a load on all cores/threads and see how far it boost...if it's better use this profile...if it's not better than it was before head back to the BIOS and load your older profile....simple as that

Nothing really changed tho... My timespy score actually decreased from without oc genie

13 minutes ago, LordGabeNisBae said:

Try downloading intel Xtreme tuning utility and have a tinker in there. I got an extra 400 Mhz out of my alienware 18 laptop's i7 4800mq back in the day by playing around with the settings. 

 

But be careful and do not try anything you are not comfortable with  

How does one do that?  

[LordGabeNisBae]

Just now, xnoobftw said:

Nothing really changed tho... My timespy score actually decreased from without oc genie

How does one do that?  

Google how to use intel Xtreme tuning utility. there should be a lot of video guides.

 

 

[xnoobftw]

3 minutes ago, LordGabeNisBae said:

Google how to use intel Xtreme tuning utility. there should be a lot of video guides.

 

 

Alright thanks man!