Kaby and zen

[DAnewguy]

I just wonder if there are any release dates or release date expectations or some price expectations how much will it cost if you think about skylake and haswell and will I be able to run the kaby,Canon and coffee lake on z170 board or at least like canon or do I need their motherboards??

[Energycore]

The only thing I can tell you for sure is that Taby Lake will be compatible with Z170 mobos with a BIOS update, probably, and that Zen will require a new AM4 motherboard. And that Zen is highly unlikely to have better per-core performance than Skylake.

[DAnewguy]

2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

The only thing I can tell you for sure is that Taby Lake will be compatible with Z170 mobos with a BIOS update, probably, and that Zen will require a new AM4 motherboard. And that Zen is highly unlikely to have better per-core performance than Skylake.

Thx that's enough for me but do you recommend to buy i7 6700k now cuz the performance increase in kaby will be like 5 to 10%

[Energycore]

12 minutes ago, DAnewguy said:

Thx that's enough for me but do you recommend to buy i7 6700k now cuz the performance increase in kaby will be like 5 to 10%

Yes, buy 6700K now

[Nena Trinity]

1 hour ago, DAnewguy said:

Thx that's enough for me but do you recommend to buy i7 6700k now cuz the performance increase in kaby will be like 5 to 10%

Zen is gonna have 8-cores and 16-threads, unless you need new parts now you should wait.

[DocSwag]

26 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Zen is gonna have 8-cores and 16-threads, unless you need new parts now you should wait.

But the thing is the 8 core 16 thread CPU will probably cost north of 600 dollars.... Which is way out of his budget (probably)

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

But the thing is the 8 core 16 thread CPU will probably cost north of 600 dollars.... Which is way out of his budget (probably)

We wont know until it is released! (I hope its priced not to far above the FX-9590)

[DAnewguy]

1 minute ago, Nena360 said:

We wont know until it is released! (I hope its priced not to far above the FX-9590)

I7 6700k is not used 100% in games and a single correct in i7 6700k is much better but if low price then going for it

[DocSwag]

14 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

We wont know until it is released! (I hope its priced not to far above the FX-9590)

Thing is, you gotta be practical here.

 

AMD isn't stupid. They're smart enough that they know that if they undercut Intel's CPUs by a huge margin, Intel's just gonna cut their prices too, and they'll lose out in the end since to them they're just gonna end up having to sell more expensive chips at lower prices. The better option is to undercut Intel by a small amount so that they're CPUs are cheaper than Intel's but not enough so that it's gonna steal all the sales from Intel.

 

Think about it... If they sold an 8 core 16 thread cpu at, say, 400 dollars, even if it only has Ivy Bridge IPC and even when OCed can't reach much higher than 4.5 ghz, you can bet hoards of people will be flocking to buy them. When Intel sees that, they'll cut the prices of the 6800k down to 450 dollars or so and then cut the prices of every single relevant cpu (so probably only Skylake and Broadwell-E) down so that it becomes in line with AMD's CPUs. So then all that happens is AMD has to sell their more expensive CPUs at a lower price. On the contrary, if, say, Zen has Haswell IPC and the 8 core 16 thread CPU OCs max to 4.5 ghz or so if they price that at around 900-950 dollars Intel is very unlikely to cut prices of their CPUs. There will still be people going to buy the Zen CPU though, and in the end AMD makes as much if not more profit out of everything.

 

As well, it's unlikely that AMD will beat Intel at IPC. Intel has been slowly improving their IPC over the years to the point where they have pretty good IPC as well as CPUs that OC pretty well. It's gonna be pretty hard for AMD to beat Intel at the game they've been practicing for 10 years so I doubt AMD will flat out beat Intel in performance. Instead, they'll most likely have lower IPC than Skylake, with a small chance of tying them. If that's the case, Intel will still be winning in performance and so AMD doesn't have the upper-hand.

 

Now don't get me wrong-I'm not saying I don't want the biggest performance/dollar improvement for CPUs since the original Core based CPUs were released, but it just isn't logical for that to happen. Yes, we may see a slight increase in performance/dollar because of Zen, but it won't be anything extreme like what we saw in the Athlon 64 and Core 2 Duo days unless Zen is substantially more powerful than Skylake and Kaby Lake to the point where AMD believes they can crush Intel like they did with the Athlon 64, which is extremely, extremely unlikely. In fact, let me quote this article from Anandtech:

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On the AMD side of the fence, everyone is looking at Zen with wide eyes and anticipation. While we have been told not to expect it to take the performance crown, a number of users and industry analysts hope that it brings more competition to the x86 space, enough to rekindle the competitive spirit in silicon back in the mid-2000s.

Ian Cutress states that he's been told not to expect for it to take the performance crown. I don't know where he got this from, but considering it's Anandtech we're talking about I'm sure it's coming from AMD one way or another.

 

I wish Zen was the next Athlon 64, but the truth of the matter is that there's a 99.9999% chance it isn't. It just isn't logical to me. So don't get your hopes up, because if you do you'll probably be disappointed. I have a feeling that Zen will change the CPU market into something somewhat similar to the GPU market-Intel will always be slightly ahead of AMD, but they can't slack off or AMD will pull ahead. Zen isn't gonna be a bad thing, but it won't be the glorious knight on a shining steed that some people are hoping and even believing it will be.

 

Gosh this was a long response.... I hope this wasn't too long...