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First programmable Quantum Computer

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On 8/4/2016 at 0:52 AM, Dresta said:

Since quantum computers are much faster than normal computers at calculations i would like to mine with them xD 

Judging how it would crack RSA4096 in a matter of minutes when all the computers on earth combined would take thousands of years. You still probably wouldn't break even with the cost of electricity and hardware. Though it might get some crazy number like 100PH/s

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51 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Yes it would take too long. Because the guy talks 6 minutes, and he left off a lot of things required to understand how it really works. He explained what people understood more than 30 to even 50 years ago. As he said, how you compute is not trivial, and that is what is interesting about it.

I read the article about that. Not the article quoted, but the actual article, the one scientists published in nature. It's 10 page long, does a loot of shortcuts, and uses complex mathematic and physics principles.

 

Modest much?

How would you calculate errors?  What are the uncertainties of your measurements?

How can you "figure it out"?

Amaze me.

 

 

There is a reason why those are just discovered, it's because it isn't that easy. I myself cannot grasp it enough to be knowledgeable about it, but even people who are knowledgeable on those subjects admit that there is a strong difference between what results are shown through normal medium and what results are shown from scientific newspapers.

Well TBH ALLOT of people would know how a quantum computer works if they were using it as a replacement for ours (*cough* *cough* Never gonna happen),ALLOT of people in there 30's or 50's don't even know that a quantum computer exists xD 

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32 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's not about modesty. It's about competency, resolve, and time. I understand QM well enough to have aced both classes. As for the measurements, aluminum oxide reaction and power output fluctuations. I'd figure out the wavelength within 2 nm with just 6 tries. As for errors, there are known limits for how that reaction works.

 

There is a lot of intricacy, but that doesn't make it near-impossible to understand.

Dude is there something you don't master with a bachelor degree in computer science?

By the way you haven't really answered my questions.

Everyone can say "I'd figure it out with 6 tries", doesn't mean someone actually can.

I aced my classes as well and I know perfectly that I don't know everything about quantum mechanics.

 While I perfectly understand the nature article, doing things like they did require non trivial work on paper or at best helped by a normal computer, and I know I could do it as well, learning on my own an equivalent of a master's degree.

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11 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Dude is there something you don't master with a bachelor degree in computer science?

Considering it's basically a mathematics degree combined with programming, I have a wide base to build from. Mind you, I'm not versed on abstract algebra or the super bleeding edge proofs classes, but I took 6 math courses after multi variable calculus and 4 stats classes including applied, probability, regressions, and forecasting. I also took both undergrad and graduate algorithms which is just systematic applied math and statistics combined with advanced proof techniques. I also took the advanced version of every senior computer science class except network security and compilers (which I just didn't take because of time constraints). For my non-major thematic sequence, I took classical mechanics, electricity & magnetism, thermodynamics, QM I, and QM II. I wished I'd gotten to take stress/strain and vibrations, but I ran out of time. Honestly, you people assume CS is an easier degree than it is.

 

Now, I didn't master set/graph theory (that takes a decade). I didn't master Spanish like I wanted to. I didn't master singing despite being in 2 college choirs for 4 years, taking lessons from the grad students for 2 years, and having gotten good enough to be in a select Gregorian Chant ensemble. I didn't master working with my hands for metallurgy or carpentry. I mastered applied  mathematics and proof techniques as well as process design. Why does it surprise you that all that math lets me understand what is nothing more than applied math and applied mathematical proof techniques?

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I'm in a french engineering school, so I have my math basis covered as well, even if we do not do the same maths than in the US. But first and foremost, philosophy classes are necessary to understand maths but mostly to understand physics. There are huge implications on how you do these.

I have a general but strong background on QM (which is close to linear algebra ), classical mechanics (with a lot of calculus, and tensor algebra), electrodynamics (differential equation theory etc), chemistry (High school math?)   and so on. I also learned that while I can do interesting things in a lot of these domain, that I can understand a lot of things I can read up etc, that doesn't mean I'm expert enough to do everything. Understanding isn't mastering at all.

Sure maths are essential in physics, but there are physical implications which makes things "harder". Those same principles lead to those particular scientists having error rates above what they want, and measurement uncertainties too high on other systems. And they all have a PhD. You can't just say you're better than them and you can manage everything on your own just because of 3 years of science. I'm not saying computer science is easy or is crap (gosh I hope not I'll do my masters degree in that field), but there is more to it than meet the eyes.

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2 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

I'm in a french engineering school, so I have my math basis covered as well, even if we do not do the same maths than in the US. But first and foremost, philosophy classes are necessary to understand maths but mostly to understand physics. There are huge implications on how you do these.

I have a general but strong background on QM (which is close to linear algebra ), classical mechanics (with a lot of calculus, and tensor algebra), electrodynamics (differential equation theory etc), chemistry (High school math?)   and so on. I also learned that while I can do interesting things in a lot of these domain, that I can understand a lot of things I can read up etc, that doesn't mean I'm expert enough to do everything. Understanding isn't mastering at all.

Sure maths are essential in physics, but there are physical implications which makes things "harder". Those same principles lead to those particular scientists having error rates above what they want, and measurement uncertainties too high on other systems. And they all have a PhD. You can't just say you're better than them and you can manage everything on your own just because of 3 years of science. I'm not saying computer science is easy or is crap (gosh I hope not I'll do my masters degree in that field), but there is more to it than meet the eyes.

Philosophy is only needed to understand how physics and mathematical theories were imagined (not proven). It's pretty much worthless to read beyond Plato, Decartes, Ramanujan, Hamilton, Gauss, Einstein, and Maxwell.

 

If your QM is close to linear algebra, you haven't learned the nitty gritty stuff yet.

 

Chemistry is much easier and more powerful when framed in probability and linear algebra.

 

My ability to build the thing may be limited and wanting, but understanding it is enough as long as someone else can build it.

 

I didn't say I was better than them. You just assumed one had to have a Master's to understand this. Clearly, you don't.

 

All of that error can be accounted for. It's just painstaking and expensive. There's nothing a few feet of lead and vibration-diffracting material can't eliminate from the environment where tuning a quantum machine is concerned. After that it's just a load of LN2 and thermal insulation. The laser tuning is easy after that. It's a known problem with a known solution. Rare is the newly solved fundamental problem. It's mostly about extending and repurposing solutions we already have to build something new/more complex.

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Epistemology exist for a reason,  that reason being being aware of what those science are.

What they are tint how we understand them.

Nitty-gritty stuff like...?

It was a joke for the chemistry part. (Guess it's an inside joke just for french people)

Understanding it indeed is at bachelor's level, but operating it effectively is masters degree level. I always talked about operating the machine when I talked about a master's  degree. 

I know it is, but it can't be accounted for trivially and it takes extensive knowledge and training to account for all of it.

Those require extreme precision in what you do with them to work properly or to account for the correct errors.

That's why in places like Virgo (Ligo in the US, gravitational waves ) or the LHC, you have an army of master's degree level engineers to make sure everything works as expected to have results which can actually be used and usable. It's the same here, only a bit less extreme so you don't need hundreds of engineers for it to work, but just a few.

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18 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Epistemology exist for a reason,  that reason being being aware of what those science are.

What they are tint how we understand them.

Nitty-gritty stuff like...?

It was a joke for the chemistry part. (Guess it's an inside joke just for french people)

Understanding it indeed is at bachelor's level, but operating it effectively is masters degree level. I always talked about operating the machine when I talked about a master's  degree. 

I know it is, but it can't be accounted for trivially and it takes extensive knowledge and training to account for all of it.

Those require extreme precision in what you do with them to work properly or to account for the correct errors.

That's why in places like Virgo (Ligo in the US, gravitational waves ) or the LHC, you have an army of master's degree level engineers to make sure everything works as expected to have results which can actually be used and usable. It's the same here, only a bit less extreme so you don't need hundreds of engineers for it to work, but just a few.

Basically all the sub-effects of Shrodinger's Wave Equation in a particle-wave system that can't be framed in matrices because of the uncertain nature, or the very underpinnings of how to make fission as efficient as possible.

 

No it isn't. It just takes research that usually only master's-level people do.

 

Trivially is a matter of perspective. It's not like the engineering is all that complex. It's just very precise and very costly.

 

No, it takes specific training by multiple people to account for it all. If any singular person tries, it's pretty much doomed to failure because of the limits of humans in systematic thinking. This is why people like me develop logic systems such as Answer-Set programming. 

 

LHC doesn't need master's degree engineers. It just needs experts on that particular machine being worked on. A master's degree merely says you made a contribution to the scientific community via independent research. It says absolutely nothing about your competence to understand and work with related topics. A PhD doesn't say anything to that either. Degrees beyond the Bachelor's level merely say you have a certain degree of expertise about a singular topic. Mind you, I was within spitting distance of a master's degree, but without an assistantship it was a waste of money and time to stay around an extra semester to file my thesis and pay for classes I didn't need. Instead, I'm selling my thesis work to Intel and going to work overseas for a while during the political shitstorm of the century.

 

People who rely on the sparkle of degrees don't get things done. Classifying a job as too hard for anyone but a person with a Master's/PhD is wholly ignorant of reality. There are people in this world with no degree that are magnitudes smarter than PhD holders. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and the other giants of Silicon Valley are just the easiest examples in reach.

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For anyone who doesn't know what quantum computers do:

 

 

Anyway, this is awesome.

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17 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Judging how it would crack RSA4096 in a matter of minutes when all the computers on earth combined would take thousands of years. You still probably wouldn't break even with the cost of electricity and hardware. Though it might get some crazy number like 100PH/s

Quantum computer master race xD 

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