Posted July 26, 2016 So, my sister wants a pc! She's ready to join the pcmasterrace The things that my sister wants to do is some light gaming eg. 2D games and minecraft, but also occasionally stream and post videos for youtube. She also would prefer a mini-itx build. We already found the case so there is no need to include it in the 400 dollars ahaha. I figured that for games like minecraft you don't really need a gpu but can use the onboard graphics. Here's my question, I'm torn between choosing: a FX-8350 because of its higher number of cores, and probably better video editing or an i5-6400 because of its newer architecture and shit If I get AMD i will need to spend on a custom cooler and most likely on a discrete graphics card (But moar cores!!); If I get a non k i5 I won't need to buy a cooler and HD 530 graphics seem good (but less cores!) What do you suggest, pcpartpicker builds are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 400$ build with either of those is impossible. At best you can get an FX6350 or A10 7890K (both with wraith coolers). Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Your not getting a 8350 in itx. If you screen recording use quicksync to use the gpu instead of cpu for encoding. You don't need a i7 for editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said: Your not getting a 8350 in itx. If you screen recording use quicksync to use the gpu instead of cpu for encoding. You don't need a i7 for editing. He won't be getting a GPU thus using quicksync with HD 530 will be a pain in the arse Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: He won't be getting a GPU thus using quicksync with HD 530 will be a pain in the arse How? you can use quicksync when the igpu is your main gpu. It won't hurt performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 here you go. You could replace the gpu with a faster cpu(i5 6400) PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdwYHN Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdwYHN/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: MSI H110I Pro Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Team Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg) Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($79.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $414.94 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 10:54 EDT-0400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Electronics Wizardy said: How? you can use quicksync when the igpu is your main gpu. It won't hurt performance. It will - Intel HD and the CPU are both interlocked via TDP - so when the CPU experiences more load the GPU performance drops significantly. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: It will - Intel HD and the CPU are both interlocked via TDP - so when the CPU experiences more load the GPU performance drops significantly. These are low end parts. They won't even hit there tdp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said: These are low end parts. They won't even hit there tdp. They do. My i5 4590 does, so does the i5 6400. It's impossible for the CPU to be used at more than 50% without having the iGPU clocks drop in half. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: They do. My i5 4590 does, so does the i5 6400. It's impossible for the CPU to be used at more than 50% without having the iGPU clocks drop in half. Look at my build. 6100+750. Better than i5 is most uses. Use nvec for recording. Most video editors like gpu more than a bit more cpu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Electronics Wizardy said: Look at my build. 6100+750. Better than i5 is most uses. Use nvec for recording. Most video editors like gpu more than a bit more cpu. FX 6350 + 750 Ti is best. Has the Wraith Cooler bundled (free 212 EVO), MUCH better at video editing/streaming and the 750 Ti is a decent entry-level GPU Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Author Thank you for your answers Would something like this be good as well? Maybe buy a GPU later? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD A10-7890K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($148.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($9.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.39 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC) Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $378.84Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 10:59 EDT-0400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: FX 6350 + 750 Ti is best. Has the Wraith Cooler bundled (free 212 EVO), MUCH better at video editing/streaming and the 750 Ti is a decent entry-level GPU He wants itx. No good itx boards 1 minute ago, Stoinberg said: Thank you for your answers Would something like this be good as well? Maybe buy a GPU later? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD A10-7890K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($148.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($9.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.39 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC) Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $378.84Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 10:59 EDT-0400 Look at my build, much faster for about the same price. i3 6100+ gtx 750 would be much faster than a apu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Electronics Wizardy said: He wants itx. No good itx boards Look at my build, much faster for about the same price. i3 6100+ gtx 750 would be much faster than a apu. Also overbudget. 2 minutes ago, Stoinberg said: Thank you for your answers Would something like this be good as well? Maybe buy a GPU later? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD A10-7890K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($148.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($9.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.39 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC) Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $378.84Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 10:59 EDT-0400 Yes, that should work fine. Maybe get 1866MHz RAM for the iGPU - it will increase performance by 15-20% Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 @Stoinberg don't get the T4 cooler - the 7890K comes with a better cooler, use that one. It's called the Wraith Cooler Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 1 minute ago, don_svetlio said: Also overbudget. You can get 8gb of ram and replace the ssd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Author Just now, don_svetlio said: @Stoinberg don't get the T4 cooler - the 7890K comes with a better cooler, use that one. It's called the Wraith Cooler Alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Electronics Wizardy said: You can get 8gb of ram and replace the ssd. i3s aren't exactly good for streaming - actually, they're flat out bad for it. Having only 2 cores for MC workloads is not great. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Stoinberg said: Alright Spend the saved cash on an SSD or faster RAM for the iGPU Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: i3s aren't exactly good for streaming - actually, they're flat out bad for it. Having only 2 cores for MC workloads is not great. Your not using the cpu for streaming, your using the gpu. Also the i3 is faster in multithreaded tasks. Look here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1645?vs=1497 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 400usd will be much easy for used part. I build a PC with i52400 and gtx770 few month ago for 450 dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said: Your not using the cpu for streaming, your using the gpu. Also the i3 is faster in multithreaded tasks. Look here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1645?vs=1497 It's still not great for streaming. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: It's still not great for streaming. better than the apu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, Electronics Wizardy said: better than the apu Not really. Better have 4 cores at 75% load than 2 cores pegged at 100% load Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 26, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: Not really. Better have 4 cores at 75% load than 2 cores pegged at 100% load But the total speed of those cores is higher. Look here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1645?vs=1497 ALso you aren't using your cpu for encoding, your using nvec on the gpu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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