Kaby Lake Thoughts?

[fortsatt regn]

I'm planning on upgrading my PC soon (I have an i3-6100) and I have a few questions to ask you guys that will probably help me decide whether I go for a newer Kaby Lake i5/i7 or a Skylake i5/i7.

 

1. How expensive do you think Kaby Lake will end up being? Do you think the Skylake CPUs will drop in price?
2. Does anybody have any information on whether the Kaby Lake CPUs will work on a Z170 chipset motherboard (you know, being part of the same socket family and all.)
3. Do you think it's still unnecessary to have an i7 compared to an i5 while gaming? Do you think an i5 can handle fairly basic video editing/rendering tasks for YouTube?
4. How much more future-proof than the i5s do you think the i7 will end up being, if at all?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts from you guys.

[ArmswieldTheHero]

What do you plan on doing with your pc?

[dizmo]

A lot of games can spread the load out over all threads, so the i7 isn't really unnecessary, it just offers better performance.

[saladcrack]

For editing/rendering videos a hyperthreaded CPU is usually the best because it doubles the amount of cores (4 phyiscal, 4 theoretical, 8 total) so any i7 really.

[fortsatt regn]

53 minutes ago, Gamessys said:

For editing/rendering videos a hyperthreaded CPU is usually the best because it doubles the amount of cores (4 phyiscal, 4 theoretical, 8 total) so any i7 really.

 

54 minutes ago, dizmo said:

A lot of games can spread the load out over all threads, so the i7 isn't really unnecessary, it just offers better performance.

I am aware of this. That is not what I am asking, however.

[saladcrack]

Just now, fortsatt regn said:

I am aware of this. That is not what I am asking, however.

Well if you're going to render videos, get an i7.

[fortsatt regn]

58 minutes ago, ArmswieldTheHero said:

What do you plan on doing with your pc?

Gaming, recording, editing. I'm not looking for somebody to tell me what would be better for what, that's not my aim.

 

51 minutes ago, Gamessys said:

Well if you're going to render videos, get an i7.

That is also not what I am asking.

 

Sorry if I wasn't clear: I wanted to know if anybody has any experience with an i5 doing work like this, and what their thoughts are on the subject.

[ArmswieldTheHero]

1 minute ago, fortsatt regn said:

Gaming, recording, editing. I'm not looking for somebody to tell me what would be better for what, that's not my aim.

nvm then, most people just want to tell you what they know, and nobody really knows about Kaby Lake yet.

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, fortsatt regn said:

That is also not what I am asking.

 

Sorry if I wasn't clear: I wanted to know if anybody has any experience with an i5 doing work like this, and what their thoughts are on the subject.

There are countless videos for this on Youtube. Do a simple search.

Also, no one knows what Kaby Lake will be like; it's not out yet, and we don't have a magical crystal ball.

[VAkena]

12 minutes ago, fortsatt regn said:

Gaming, recording, editing. I'm not looking for somebody to tell me what would be better for what, that's not my aim.

I recommend you go with an i5 or i7 based CPU if you wanna do gaming editing mainly. Most games these days would recommend i5 dual cores at least and if you wanna do some video editing, you way want to think about CPUs with hyperthreading. Hyperthreading doesn't really matter but if you're serious about video editing you should look into it.

 

If you were to have a CPU now, I'd recommend the Intel Core i5 6500.  

[straight_stewie]

28 minutes ago, fortsatt regn said:

 

I'm planning on upgrading my PC soon (I have an i3-6100) and I have a few questions to ask you guys that will probably help me decide whether I go for a newer Kaby Lake i5/i7 or a Skylake i5/i7.

 

1. How expensive do you think Kaby Lake will end up being? Do you think the Skylake CPUs will drop in price?
2. Does anybody have any information on whether the Kaby Lake CPUs will work on a Z170 chipset motherboard (you know, being part of the same socket family and all.)
3. Do you think it's still unnecessary to have an i7 compared to an i5 while gaming? Do you think an i5 can handle fairly basic video editing/rendering tasks for YouTube?
4. How much more future-proof than the i5s do you think the i7 will end up being, if at all?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts from you guys.

 

According to AnandTech  Intel hasn't released any information other than that they will be based on skylake but have "various performance improvements". Think "broadwell and Sklyake". If you can wait, I would, and hope that even though Intel has had to push Cannonlake (the new 10nM die) off for another year, it will reach production in Q4 2017 as planned. Barring that, just get the nicest 1151 processor you can afford. The performance difference between comparable SkyLake and KabyLake models will likely be very minimal.

[glitchmaster0001]

39 minutes ago, fortsatt regn said:

I'm planning on upgrading my PC soon (I have an i3-6100) and I have a few questions to ask you guys that will probably help me decide whether I go for a newer Kaby Lake i5/i7 or a Skylake i5/i7.

 

1. How expensive do you think Kaby Lake will end up being? Do you think the Skylake CPUs will drop in price?
2. Does anybody have any information on whether the Kaby Lake CPUs will work on a Z170 chipset motherboard (you know, being part of the same socket family and all.)
3. Do you think it's still unnecessary to have an i7 compared to an i5 while gaming? Do you think an i5 can handle fairly basic video editing/rendering tasks for YouTube?
4. How much more future-proof than the i5s do you think the i7 will end up being, if at all?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts from you guys.

1. most likely $300 for i5s and $400 for i7s . same was with the skylake release back in 2015. and im talking about the K variants of the i5s and i7s. Yes i think skylake will drop in prices, most likely $200 for the i5 6600k and $300 for the 6700k 

2. i read around and saw that they will be using a new chipset to natively support USB 3.1 without the use of an onboard chip on the motherboard the new chipset will natively support USB 3.1 and USB type C. 

3. those days where an i7 is equal to an i5 in gaming are over. an i7 will have better performance in new AAA games of today and even in AAA games of tomorrow. an i5 can do video editing but when compared to an i7 the i5 is slower since it has 4 less threads and video editing/rendering is software that can take advantage of lots of cores and threads to make it go faster even if it is just for youtube. 

4. nowadays software is getting more and more able to better utilized and being able to scale across multiple cores and threads. an i7 would be the better option if you are like me and never upgrade a PC in a long time like over a decade. 

[straight_stewie]

sudo kill -SIGKILL thisThread

Oh, right, that doesn't work on real life. oops.

Anyway, my official advice is this: The only thing that Intel has said about KabyLake is that it will be "based on SkyLake with various performance improvements". If you can't wait until CannonLake I would just buy the best LGA-1151 chip that you can right now and be done with it. 

[done12many2]

I think @glitchmaster0001 nailed it with his numbered response to your list of questions.

[HKZeroFive]

1. Pricing is unannounced so nobody knows. If the launch is reminiscent of Skylake, expect inflated prices in the range of $400 or so for the top unlocked i7. They'll fall in due time.

2. They'll work because they're on the same socket. No reason to doubt why they wouldn't.

3. Seeing how some games utilise more threads and a higher clock speed, you could be 'bottlenecked' by an i5. However, that isn't to say the i5 cannot handle games as well. An overclocked i5 6600K will match a i7 6700K at stock. While I'm adamant that a regular i5 can handle light editing and rendering fine, it's kinda obvious that you'll see a sizeable difference from the hyperthreading in such tasks.

4. For gaming? We're already seeing games utilise more threads and CPU horsepower, so it makes sense that we may see more of that in the future. But as far as I'm concerned, an i5 will still do a solid job.

[glitchmaster0001]

Just now, done12many2 said:

I think @glitchmaster0001 nailed it with his numbered response to your list of questions.

thank you i guess 

[dizmo]

19 minutes ago, fortsatt regn said:

For one, this is a forum where discussions are made. I don't need to do a "simple search". If you don't like it, you shouldn't be on a public forum in the first place.

 

Secondly, this question isn't exclusive to Kaby Lake at all here. Keep the crystal ball bullshit away.

 

 

What did you honestly expect? How are we to know the pricing of a yet unreleased product?

Yes, forums are for discussion. It doesn't mean you're going to get answers for questions based purely on speculation. If you can't handle getting differing opinion, maybe you shouldn't be on a public forum

It's true though, this topic has been covered countless times. A video would show graphs and benchmarks for i5 to i7 comparisons. You'll get more information all in one place.

If it's not Kaby Lake exclusive why would you mention it for half of the questions asked?

 

[fortsatt regn]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

What did you honestly expect? How are we to know the pricing of a yet unreleased product?

Yes, forums are for discussion. It doesn't mean you're going to get answers for questions based purely on speculation. If you can't handle getting differing opinion, maybe you shouldn't be on a public forum

It's true though, this topic has been covered countless times. A video would show graphs and benchmarks for i5 to i7 comparisons. You'll get more information all in one place.

If it's not Kaby Lake exclusive why would you mention it for half of the questions asked?

 

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How expensive do you think Kaby Lake will end up being?

think is the keyword here

 

The answers are based purely off of speculation. They are thoughts/guesses. There's a flaw in your argument.

 

Doesn't matter - if I ask for thoughts, it means I want thoughts, not a video from somebody on YouTube.

 

I don't even understand what you're trying to say with your last point there. You fail to make any sense. If I'm understanding correctly, my answer will be: Three out of the four questions relate to Kaby Lake. Therefore, that is most, but not all, of them. Meanwhile a title like "CPU thoughts" is just vague and sounds fairly stupid.

[done12many2]

26 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

1. most likely $300 for i5s and $400 for i7s . same was with the skylake release back in 2015. and im talking about the K variants of the i5s and i7s. Yes i think skylake will drop in prices, most likely $200 for the i5 6600k and $300 for the 6700k 

2. i read around and saw that they will be using a new chipset to natively support USB 3.1 without the use of an onboard chip on the motherboard the new chipset will natively support USB 3.1 and USB type C. 

3. those days where an i7 is equal to an i5 in gaming are over. an i7 will have better performance in new AAA games of today and even in AAA games of tomorrow. an i5 can do video editing but when compared to an i7 the i5 is slower since it has 4 less threads and video editing/rendering is software that can take advantage of lots of cores and threads to make it go faster even if it is just for youtube. 

4. nowadays software is getting more and more able to better utilized and being able to scale across multiple cores and threads. an i7 would be the better option if you are like me and never upgrade a PC in a long time like over a decade. 

 

6 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

1. Pricing is unannounced so nobody knows. If the launch is reminiscent of Skylake, expect inflated prices in the range of $400 or so for the top unlocked i7. They'll fall in due time.

2. They'll work because they're on the same socket. No reason to doubt why they wouldn't.

3. Seeing how some games utilise more threads and a higher clock speed, you could be 'bottlenecked' by an i5. However, that isn't to say the i5 cannot handle games as well. An overclocked i5 6600K will match a i7 6700K at stock. While I'm adamant that a regular i5 can handle light editing and rendering fine, it's kinda obvious that you'll see a sizeable difference from the hyperthreading in such tasks.

4. For gaming? We're already seeing games utilise more threads and CPU horsepower, so it makes sense that we may see more of that in the future. But as far as I'm concerned, an i5 will still do a solid job.

 

6 minutes ago, glitchmaster0001 said:

thank you i guess 

 

@glitchmaster0001 hopefully you didn't think I was being sarcastic in my comment about you nailing it.  I just figured that if you guys took the time to generate responses like these, you should get a little shout.  No guess.   

[glitchmaster0001]

9 hours ago, fortsatt regn said:

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think is the keyword here

 

The answers are based purely off of speculation. They are thoughts/guesses. There's a flaw in your argument.

 

Doesn't matter - if I ask for thoughts, it means I want thoughts, not a video from somebody on YouTube.

 

I don't even understand what you're trying to say with your last point there. You fail to make any sense. If I'm understanding correctly, my answer will be: Three out of the four questions relate to Kaby Lake. Therefore, that is most, but not all, of them. Meanwhile a title like "CPU thoughts" is just vague and sounds fairly stupid.

well thats what we heard so we try to make and educated guess. not all of us work at intel so we cant get top secret classified information like that... if you want that kind of info most likely this forum isnt going to have the answer to your questions, thats just like trying to get your hands on top secret classified info like for example F15 schematics or cold war Soviet classified documents or something like that.

 

9 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

 

@glitchmaster0001 hopefully you didn't think I was being sarcastic in my comment about you nailing it.  I just figured that if you guys took the time to generate responses like these, you should get a little shout.  No guess.   

oh no its not that, i just dont normally see people thank me for doing something so simple.