Anonymous Declares Hillary Clinton "Root of All Corruption"

[SurvivorNVL]

1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Well...I....you....I actually agree. Trump is crazy, Hillary is corrupt, and Bernie well none of his ideas would actually work in the real world. Honestly if trump played the US like monopoly and we finally got out of debt by the time he is out of office I would call that a win. 

Mr. T, you get it.  I pity the fool who don't get it.

[SurvivorNVL]

3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I know for a fact, that the first thing Lawyers learn in law school is that there is no black and white, right or wrong, only green.

That's the truth of the world.  Two things are certain:  Death and Taxes.  Money is how you survive, it is how you die, and how you thrive.  Though if National Socialism ever returned to the world, I'd be screwed.  As a Banker, I'd be hung.

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Well...I....you....I actually agree. Trump is crazy, Hillary is corrupt, and Bernie well none of his ideas would actually work in the real world. Honestly if trump played the US like monopoly and we finally got out of debt by the time he is out of office I would call that a win. 

If at least one person has realized what needs to happen, I'll be happy with this thread.

 

Let the rest of the world fend for itself. It was there long before us, and doesn't give a shit about us so why should we break our backs, spend our resources, and sacrifice our people to help them, when they then turn around and mock is for it.

[LeChef]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Lawyers write the laws, lawyers create vague meanings to allow other lawyers to get around the laws they right, addendum and asterisks are common.  The saying that all lawyers go to hell, is pretty much accurate, as they have to be on no side.  Well, for the most part.  In general.  You can't divide power either, I mean, you technically can by having every person in a populace armed, and with absolute democracy, and that'd be bad.  The latter would be bad.  Absolute democracy would be chaos.  That is why Republics and Unions exist.  Us is the nation.  The people.

 

1. You just equaled power to arms.
2. Choas is not necessarily a bad thing
3. The nation is not very specific. People all over the world could say that and it wouldn't get us anywhere. 
Thinking nationalistically is outdated IMHO. Just think about what you need, then what others need, then talk about what you want. 
Countries are way to big to capture all opinions and don't justify the obsessive behavior associated with it. No praising flags, no praising heritage. It's no use.
  

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

That's the truth of the world.  Two things are certain:  Death and Taxes.  Money is how you survive, it is how you die, and how you thrive.  Though if National Socialism ever returned to the world, I'd be screwed.  As a Banker, I'd be hung.

I mean I'm basically espousing that idea, the idea of a society without an economy, provided for by technology. Although I'd just call that "winning" lol

 

No one would need to be hung, except maybe politicians and lawyers lol. Everyone else would just be free to spend their lives working on their hobbies or whatever.

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, RikvE said:

1. You just equaled power to arms.
2. Choas is not necessarily a bad thing
3. The nation is not very specific. People all over the world could say that and it wouldn't get us anywhere. 
Thinking nationalistically is outdated IMHO. Just think about what you need, then what others need, then talk about what you want. 
Countries are way to big to capture all opinions and don't justify the obsessive behavior associated with it. No praising flags, no praising heritage. It's no use.
  

I agree with the last point. We need smaller nations overall.

 

But there's nothing wrong with wanting small communities to be self sufficient. It can and has been done. Also power isn't arms, it's the willingness to take up arms.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I mean I'm basically espousing that idea, the idea of a society without an economy, provided for by technology. Although I'd just call that "winning" lol

 

No one would need to be hung, except maybe politicians and lawyers lol. Everyone else would just be free to spend their lives working on their hobbies or whatever.

Society without economy is technically feasible with atomic 3D printing.  We'd need to keep people busy though.  The Trekkie in me says mandatory military service.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Society without economy is technically feasible with atomic 3D printing.  We'd need to keep people busy though.  The Trekkie in me says mandatory military service.

I'd say yes to both, but instead of military replace that with star fleet.

 

And hobbies. I'd spend the rest of my life doing gunsmithing, video game making, black smithing, etc.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I agree with the last point. We need smaller nations overall.

 

But there's nothing wrong with wanting small communities to be self sufficient. It can and has been done.

Hell, the US is basically meant to be a bunch of individual nations.  Every state has their own culture, their own style and flare.  Their own way of doing education, economics, social programs(god help them).  And then they all pay taxes to ensure we're protected on all sides by the military.   Really the US could stem to get more state rights back.  That'd do us damn good.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'd say yes to both, but instead of military replace that with star fleet.

 

And hobbies. I'd spend the rest of my life doing gunsmithing, video game making, black smithing, etc.

I'd be screwed without banking or the stock market.  I'd say my entire life would probably go toward academia.  Just learn everything I can and then--who knows.

[SurvivorNVL]

3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'd say yes to both, but instead of military replace that with star fleet.

 

And hobbies. I'd spend the rest of my life doing gunsmithing, video game making, black smithing, etc.

Also A+ on the thread still existing.  We're doing great.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

I'd be screwed without banking or the stock market.  I'd say my entire life would probably go toward academia.  Just learn everything I can and then--who knows.

Nothing wrong with spending your entire life learning.

 

And you really have no other hobbies or anything? I have so much that I wish I could do but don't have the financial means to do. Gunsmithing, blacksmithing, reading, playing games, making my dream game (which I am still working on), etc.

[LeChef]

7 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Society without economy is technically feasible with atomic 3D printing.  We'd need to keep people busy though.  The Trekkie in me says mandatory military service.

A perfect world would have all nations stop this nonsense, work together untill the entire world is self sufficient due to automation. Then all have all we could ever need and just do whatever we like. 
that is a goal which would be unreachable when we don't all get along and work together.|

Edit: Untill then, there should be no us and them.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Nothing wrong with spending your entire life learning.

 

And you really have no other hobbies or anything? I have so much that I wish I could do but don't have the financial means to do. Gunsmithing, blacksmithing, reading, playing games, making my dream game (which I am still working on), etc.

Keyboards.  Audio.  Taking care of my girlfriend is a hobby, I think.  Games are low interest lately.  I'm actually more focused on starting college in the Fall and looking forward to keeping the hell away from my friends for awhile, or having a good excuse to do so.  

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, RikvE said:

A perfect world would have all nations stop this nonsense, work together untill the entire world is self sufficient due to automation. Then all have all we could ever need and just do whatever we like. 
that is a goal which would be unreachable when we don't all get along and work together.

I agree, but it's simply not possible. Because someone, somewhere, will try to use the effort to benefit them over everyone else, or someone will accuse someone of doing so.

 

Humans are, by nature, entirely self serving. Just take a look at the Price Equation as it relates to the evolution of altruism. The apparent willingness to sacrifice oneself for the group, is nothing more than an evolutionarily evolved trait meant to benefit anyone genetically or socially associated with oneself.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, RikvE said:

A perfect world would have all nations stop this nonsense, work together untill the entire world is self sufficient due to automation. Then all have all we could ever need and just do whatever we like. 
that is a goal which would be unreachable when we don't all get along and work together.

It's unreachable because every person in every part of the world speaks a different language, has a different culture, has a different way of living and breathing.  Religions as well are a huge problem.  Islam being the primary one that is largely incompatible with the species.  It's a perfect scenario for a world we don't have, and can't have.  Save for, like I said before, an awful genocide, and destruction of cultures and ways of life.  Which would leave people ridden with guilt for at least a century.

[LeChef]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

I agree, but it's simply not possible. Because someone, somewhere, will try to use the effort to benefit them over everyone else, or someone will accuse someone of doing so.

 

Humans are, by nature, entirely self serving. Just take a look at the Price Equation as it relates to the evolution of altruism. The apparent willingness to sacrifice oneself for the group, is nothing more than an evolutionarily evolved trait meant to benefit anyone genetically or socially associated with oneself.

And that's where the power of numbers comes in. a few should never be able to control many. 
Only problem is that unless everyone in the world decides that we should change our ways at the same time, someone would have to force them to.

 

Gotta love Philosophy.

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

It's unreachable because every person in every part of the world speaks a different language, has a different culture, has a different way of living and breathing.  Religions as well are a huge problem.  Islam being the primary one that is largely incompatible with the species.  It's a perfect scenario for a world we don't have, and can't have.  Save for, like I said before, an awful genocide, and destruction of cultures and ways of life.  Which would leave people ridden with guilt for at least a century.

Which is why it's better to go for non-intervetionism, and self sufficiency. They do them, we do us, we say "hey whats up, how's your mum" every now and again.

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, RikvE said:

And that's where the power of numbers comes in. a few should never be able to control many. 
Only problem is that unless everyone in the world decides that we should change our ways at the same time, someone would have to force them to.

 

Gotta love Philosophy.

Read what I just said.

 

If everyone was able to have everything they wanted, we wouldn't have any troubles. except for religions because you have things like "they're presence is destroying our culture!" etc.

[LeChef]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Which is why it's better to go for non-intervetionism, and self sufficiency. They do them, we do us, we say "hey whats up, how's your mum" every now and again.

that's just saying, nah, thinking of a proper solution is too hard. let's just go with whatever benefits me the most ATM

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, RikvE said:

that's just saying, nah, thinking of a proper solution is too hard. let's just go with whatever benefits me the most ATM

I mean that's what pretty much everyone does.

[LeChef]

2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Read what I just said.

 

If everyone was able to have everything they wanted, we wouldn't have any troubles. except for religions because you have things like "they're presence is destroying our culture!" etc.

tbh, all religion is basically the denial of truth, and should be banished.

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, RikvE said:

tbh, all religion is basically the denial of truth, and should be banished.

I agree, but would rather just educate people as to why religion is a net-harm to society.

(despite being semi-conservative, I am actually an atheist, pro abortion, pro gay people, etc.)

 

Banning it outright would basically cause a war, which we've already agreed is something to avoid unless absolutely necessary. (we just differ on tactics of how to win said war, when it is necessary. I prefer not holding back)

[LeChef]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

I agree, but would rather just educate people as to why religion is a net-harm to society.

Would you then also educate all people on almost anything? That would get rid of ignorance and populism all at once. 

Ties in nicely to the original subject though. Would kinda fix the problem with both candidates haha

[TechGod]

49 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

My response to you is the same as above.

 

"Oh god someone disagrees with me or says something I don't like! They shouldn't be allowed to do that and should be harassed for it!".

 

Grow up leftists. This nation is supposed to be a nation of people that disagree with each other. Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is trying to silence people that disagree with you simply because they disagree with you. That's entirely antithetical to what a democracy stands for.

Ohhhhh! So that's why you wanna bomb other people? Friendly reminder. Free speech doesn't cover hate speech which yes, I kinda supported but it in no way covers your horrible ideas about taking other people's lives.