upgrade Having AMD product problems... Sight... Help with GPU upgrade?

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Nena360 said:

The only thing Nvidia have not screwed up that bad is their Linux driver which have just killed my install once!

See, what have they screwed up? I've had a issue free experience. I don't like the overclocking on Nvidia with Boost making setting a specific frequency difficult, but them's nits. My AMD cards gave me issues but were way better value. Why the false dichotomy? Why does it have to be one or the other. Both have done stupid things, both have marketing that is BS, and both have shit drivers here and there. Take someone and not let them know what card is being used and there's no way from just gameplay they can know, unless a proprietary feature is employed.

 

Let it go, eat a snickers.

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

See, what have they screwed up? I've had a issue free experience. I don't like the overclocking on Nvidia with Boost making setting a specific frequency difficult, but them's nits. My AMD cards gave me issues but were way better value. Why the false dichotomy? Why does it have to be one or the other. Both have done stupid things, both have marketing that is BS, and both have shit drivers here and there. Take someone and not let them know what card is being used and there's no way from just gameplay they can know, unless a proprietary feature is employed.

 

Let it go, eat a snickers.

I am allergic to snickers! ;__;

[Diner50]

12 minutes ago, DXMember said:

shot in the wild - how is your monitor connected to the PC?

are you sure you're not running of Intel integrated graphics?

Quite sure it's not running on the Intel chip.... If it was doing the recording and 60fps gameplay I had never needed a GPU.. 

And no. It's the HDMI from the GPU. I know a guy in my class getting a GTX 980Ti and was not connected to the GPU.... For 3weeks..

 

PS.... Quicksync  sucks. But works.

[don_svetlio]

5 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Quite sure it's not running on the Intel chip.... If it was doing the recording and 60fps gameplay I had never needed a GPU.. 

And no. It's the HDMI from the GPU. I know I guy in my class getting a GTX 980Ti and was not connected to the GPU.... For 3weeks..

You may want to swap out the PSU. Cheap pre-builts have TERRIBLE PSUs.

[DXMember]

6 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Quite sure it's not running on the Intel chip.... If it was doing the recording and 60fps gameplay I had never needed a GPU.. 

And no. It's the HDMI from the GPU. I know I guy in my class getting a GTX 980Ti and was not connected to the GPU.... For 3weeks..

You also noted that you're running valve source games...

In that case I would suggest to turn off Power Efficiency in Crimson driver, because those games are not proper 3D games and the GPU thinks it should go into power saver mode

(bonus points if you can name the game running in the background)

 

I would also try monitoring CPU usage while the game is running.

[Diner50]

6 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

You may want to swap out the PSU. Cheap pre-builts have TERRIBLE PSUs.

:C  I'm a cheap pre-builder. Next time I'm going to install the PSU last.. No... It's not a pre-build PC... I installd everything by hand.. In parts.. Like I made myself look like a idiot posting before.. But for the love of god... I have had fires.. Stuff exploading... Even got dam have screeming in pain.. And a few drops of blood gone into this stuff...

 

Stop this about the PSU.. It's a 850w gold rated thing.. I don't remember the name of it. But it was one of the more expensive parts. And the fans and case is fine..

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Diner50 said:

:C  I'm a cheap pre-builder. Next time I'm going to install the PSU last.. No... It's not a pre-build PC... I installd everything by hand.. In parts.. 

 

Stop this about the PSU.. It's a 850w gold rated thing.. I don't remember the name of it. But it was one of the more expensive parts. And the fans and case is fine..

I don't care if it's a 2000W Diamond rated one, if it's made by Diablotek it's still shit. A Cheap PSU can be rated for any wattage and have any type of "gold" "silver" or "plutonium" certification. It can still be B A D. End of story. Until you can test it, there is no way to be sure

[DXMember]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

I don't care if it's a 2000W Diamond rated one, if it's made by Diablotek it's still shit. A Cheap PSU can be rated for any wattage and have any type of "gold" "silver" or "plutonium" certification. It can still be B A D. End of story. Until you can test it, there is no way to be sure

a B A D power supply wouldn't cause long lasting performance issues in games it would instead go B A N G

and to make a high powered PSU with a 80 plus gold certification it has to use at least half decent components and the cheap-o-knock-offs usually don't spend enough to get that high, they pretty much fall off at about ~500W 80 plus (not even bronze, the white sticker)

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

a B A D power supply wouldn't cause long lasting performance issues in games it would instead go B A N G

and to make a high powered PSU with a 80 plus gold certification it has to use at least half decent components and the cheap-o-knock-offs usually don't spend enough to get that high, they pretty much fall off at about ~500W 80 plus (not even bronze, the white sticker)

Thing is - a LOT of companies fake the 80+ cert sticker and make crap PSUs which are not approved and sell them. It's semi-legal sadly. And a poor PSU can easily cause degraded performance.

[Diner50]

14 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

I don't care if it's a 2000W Diamond rated one.

Chieftec

 

Am I good to go? Even the top of the line fails. Due to how it's installed I had to stop the fan and had the name.. It's decent for my needs. Using 450W at best.

 

I have had a PC back when GTA 4 was new, That power supply was being pusht to it's mimits. And after a few weeks the games started to crash... Freez. Even funny glicthes in Fallout 3  Good times.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Chieftec

 

Am I good to go? Even the top of the line fails. Due to how it's installed I had to stop the fan and had the name.. It's decent for my needs. Using 450W at best.

Chieftec fall under the "cancer" category for 99% of their units. I am even more certain it's a PSU issue now.

[stconquest]

5 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Chieftec

 

Am I good to go? Even the top of the line fails. Due to how it's installed I had to stop the fan and had the name.. It's decent for my needs. Using 450W at best.

Listen.  In your mind I know you want to go out and buy an expensive GPU to put in your system.  You pop it in and every game will be running at maximum settings and 60FPS or more.

 

If you want to do that go ahead, but make sure you get a real power supply.  That 450W Chieftec garbage won't be good enough.  It is probably the reason you are having problems now.

 

I recommended a build.  Look at it.  Ask me why I think that is what you should do.

[Diner50]

6 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Chieftec fall under the "cancer" category for 99% of their units. I am even more certain it's a PSU issue now.

Strange.. After that Gta 4 PC was 100% damaged due to the PUS we all started to use high grade power and cooling... And taking about crashes on my current PC.. It allways had to do with AMD's software or rare times games... Like I belive I got a bluescreen from Fallout NV modded..

 

And no.. The PUS is a 800W... But I use about 450w.. 

And I know about your post.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Strange.. After that Gta 4 PC was 100% damaged due to the PUS we all started to use high grade power and cooling... And taking about crashes on my current PC.. It allways had to do with AMD's software or rare times games... Like I belive I got a bluescreen from Fallout NV modded..

Then you've probably messed up the driver and/or OS installation as everyone here will tell you, drivers are stable at the time of writing this.

[App4that]

Yeah, it's not your drivers. Not unless you haven't updated them in 6 months. Even if it's not the issue, replace that power supply.

[Diner50]

8 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Then you've probably messed up the driver and/or OS installation as everyone here will tell you.

I had my boot SSD die about 2month back. It was one of the early ones with 120gb. It's about 3years now? Anyways.. Games and stuff are on the slave HDD's. 

 

The Win7 64bit installation is more or less fresh. Drivers for the GPU is up to date.. And the system in general is one of the most steady Win 7 machines I have my hands on... It's strange to belive that drivers exept GPU ones is the fault.. It's a ASUS motherboard.. Not the most fancy thing. But we are still in 2th gen Intel core times. This rig is old but... The amount of rendering and stuff I do on the I5 have proven to me that the GPU is screwing me up.... If I try and do any rendering with the GPU it crashes with in 10min... SonyVegas for example. But that's normal about the AMD cards... Atleast was I have heard.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Diner50 said:

I had my boot SSD die about 2month back. It was one of the early ones with 120gb. The Win7 64bit installation is more or less fresh. Drivers for the GPU is up date.. And the system in general is one of the most steady Win machines I have my hands on... It's strange to belive that drivers exept GPU ones is the fault.. It's a ASUS motherboard.. Not the most fancy thing. But we are still in 2th gen Intel core times. This rig is old but... The amount of rendering and stuff I do on the I5 have proven to me that the GPU is screwing me up.... 

1 - your grammar makes it impossible to understand a thing.
2 - we are on 7th gen intel CPUs (or will be very soon)
3 - what software are you using to render?
4 - did you use DDU to reinstall drivers?
5 - REPLACE THAT FOCKIN' PSU.

[Diner50]

14 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

1 - your grammar makes it impossible to understand a thing.
2 - we are on 7th gen intel CPUs (or will be very soon)
3 - what software are you using to render?
4 - did you use DDU to reinstall drivers?
5 - REPLACE THAT FOCKIN' PSU.

Check the grammar agen. I'm stupid enuf to reply before checking it.. 

And yes. It's best to get a PSU replace and think about a Nividia GPU. 1080 upgraders around me going to sell of there old cards soon. PSU's are quite cheap even the high end ones. It maby is that simple. But still Fallout 4 I hit 99% CPU load and the GPU even started to fight. And stress tests I have done never crasht. But that was a while ago. If only tec for one stuck in school was not this expensive.  

 

[App4that]

@don_svetlio Because while we have our differences, there are things we agree on. OP, get a new ****ing power supply

 

 

[don_svetlio]

11 minutes ago, Diner50 said:

Check the grammar agen. I'm stupid enuf to reply before checking it.. 

And yes. It's best to get a PSU replace and think about a Nividia GPU. 1080 upgraders around me going to sell of there old cards soon. PSU's are quite cheap even the high end ones. It maby is that simple. But still Fallout 4 I hit 99% CPU load and the GPU even started to fight. And stress tests I have done never crasht. But that was a while ago. If only tec for one stuck in school was not this expensive.  

 

What you are describing is a CPU bottleneck. Even if you buy an army of 1080s you'll still get crap performance if your CPU is pinged at 100% usage. God damn it, THIS IS WHY GOOGLE WAS INVENTED

[Dackzy]

1 hour ago, don_svetlio said:

What you are describing is a CPU bottleneck. Even if you buy an army of 1080s you'll still get crap performance if your CPU is pinged at 100% usage. God damn it, THIS IS WHY GOOGLE WAS INVENTED

 

[GirlFromYonder]

11 hours ago, Diner50 said:

Hi you lucky users of Nividia GPU's.. And you with experience with gaming rigs in general. 

 

My dad always paid for my specs and by that he desided what I got. But now it's hugging time for me to get into that part to..

I'm 19 ffs.... Anyways..

 

Now I'm schooled in networking and got dam if I don't understand PC components and gaming in general. It's my hobby and all, But I can't for my life understand gaming peformance scaling with the system specs. 

I have no real life experiences in upgrading. Doesn't make sense to me. Even more how games run like poop even when the hardware is not hitting even 80% usage.

 

Most fun right now is trying to figure out if I got a desent GPU and CPU. If you got any tips for me or explanation for the problems I got I'm happy and thankful for the help! But first I need to rule out the obvius replys. 

 

No... Not a heat problem. CPU and GPU cooling is not even hitting 50% fan speeds at "full load" (normal gaming and rendering). CPU 50c GPU 80c. If I like I get the GPU down to 50c... 

No... Not a memory problem. SSD boot Win7 "3" 1TB slaves. 12GB RAM

No... Updated drivers..... And I have tested older drivers / made sure to clean out old drivers.

No... It's not the PSU..  It's a 850w Gold rated... Thing..

No... I did not try and start a RED and GREEN flame war!!!! I like to have a gaming PC that last 3 year!

No... I did not install 32Bit Windows... And the drivers are not from a CD... 

No... The PSU is working....  

No... I like to spend a bit of money... I did not type that wrong..

Yes... The videos on LinusTecTips is not enuf to me. I love you guys making grate videos to refresh the stuff I have learnd from Wiki and School. +more tec stuff.    

 

 

 

I like to know if there is a way to find the reasons for bad peformance. If it's the drivers, hardware or the programs and games that is the problem... 

 

What GPU do you have??? AMD Radeon R9 280(X).

 

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The ClockSpeed is 1070Mhz. MemorySpeed 1600Mhz GDDR5 3GB. (2013) It got a duo fan and big fat pipes, And even on full load it makes not that bad amount of sound. 

 

Like I'm not a VR guy.. And hate most of todays AAA titles. So even if I don't play GTA 5, that's about what I like to push 60fps 1080p like nothing. Is this AMD garbage worth chaning or what? And change to what? 

Had loved some CUDA and Shadowplay. But what do you guys think this AMD card is fair to rate agenst the Nivida side? Is it even close to a GTX 960? Or is it a weak GPU??? I can't belive it's the hardware fault.

 

All this is strange... How is my 1070Mhz (2013) AMD card making my laptop Nividia card at about 507Mhz look like scrap? (2010)

 

Yes the laptop is not that good... 512MB VRAM laptop with 16CUDA cores. Yea 16! But still Looking at a GTX 970 or any outher cards they got around 1200Mhz and reck my setup like nothing???? Like what is going on?

 

Trying to waint for the GTX 1080's to be the slower cards on the market before upgrading to a new rig. But like to still not work with this weak setup I got. Doing allot of 3D stuff. And most of all Sorce games stuff. TF2 SorceFilmmaker and games in general. But even if the GPU is not even at 80% load or 900Mhz I get 20-45fps. And in TF2 I had 100-400fps 3 years ago... Now I have a hard time to keep it from going under 60-120fps some times. (same settings) 

 

 

Dirt Rally at more or less max settings I get above 60fps all the time. But that's a AMD sponsored game.. I fell that's the reason it even runs at High settings.. City Skylines I get 30-60fps depending on city size.. About max settings. It's a fucking mess that NEVER makes any sense. Fallout 4 I can't get 30fps 1080p and match console graphics... But that have to do with the game being crap... And my weak CPU hitting 100% usage before the GPU do...

 

What CPU do you have?? AMD Radeon R9 280(X).

 

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The system is stable. Only desktop PC out a 6 LAN fest that managed to not bluescreen when the power in the house we where at started to fail. Running a 2th gen I5 2400 QuadCore @ 3.1Ghz Turbo 3.4Ghz.. And that is weak I know. But is that going to have anything to do with the peformance problems? CPU never get close to hot or high usage..... But like LinusTecTips Video show "Are All Mhz Created Equak?" shows that it do make a difference. Some how? 

 

Is a GPU upgrade going to help as mutch as I belive? Like trying to launch any of AMD's software is a ticket to Bluescreen land.... Is all this to blame AMD drivers? And if so.... Why is AMD still alive?

 

I first got a Nivida card for this build.. To refrence to the AMD I got right now..... That card did allot better job.

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That card was on some high end crack... And running at 120c out of the box.... The stranges stuff happend playing with that GPU.. Note.. Stuff like this happend in Chrome and on YouTube... It's not the mods that was doing this,,, The card I got now works ok? But even this defected Nivida card did a better job.. And I belive we paid more for the AMD card to.....  

 

 

Now what I lack knowlage to deside... If anything.. What is worth to upgrade for around $500, And to what / peformance boost?  Gtx 970? 980? And how is my CPU going to hold up???

 

 

After that I like to get opinions about the reasons for all this hardware not doing anything. How do I hit a bottleneck when there is no obvius hardware hitting limits??? I know better systems get mutch better peformance...

Playback in SonyVegas SorceFilmmaker Blender and aalll this programs are slow or around 15-30ps. At 40% GPU CPU usage? Spikes like hell to 100% GPU sometimes... Blender is the only one being nice with me. And no... The hardrivers that store the content is slaves and hitting 70% read and write. Is Nividia better? If so........ ******************************************************************************************* AMD

 

  

 

All i understood from that was that u think clcok speed is the deciding factor for performance. NOPE. that 16 cuda core is legit nothing. GTX 970 has 1664 cuda cores. with a high clock speed

[JabroniBaloney]

The answer to everything is potato.

[Diner50]

I'm aware that upgrading GPU power is not going to help if therer is a bottleneck in the system... I was only saying that at SOME point I upgrade to a Nividia GPU insted of AMD. Main reason is Shadowplay. After that CUDA is more common to work vs Open GL stuff.. That crashes every 10min.. 

 

Soooo aaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllll you guys know my CPU never hit 100% usage exept in 2 games. And like rendering video with the CPU. Like SonyVegas or any 3d program. Fallout 4 hits 100% usage. And City Skylines modded hit 100% usage if the city is going to hell..

 

ALL my games from Duke Nuke all the way to GTA 5 and even Witcher 3 I belive it 60-80% usage at best. NO HEAT PROBLEMS: 

I have stresst test my CPU GPU RAM HARDRIVES and this hole mess of things. Only time I crash is when a overclock fails on the GPU. Not the best OC at all. But atleast the R9 280x I got is running games allot better now after doing a OC that's steady. 

 

I'm going to get a new PSU and soon a better CPU to. After that a GPU after reading into what GPU I got. But the drivers from AMD is making me go insane. The programs AMD GPU owners get is sooooo bad. That I'm going to jump to Nividia.

 

 

Don't give this topic more ansers. I managed to scew up bad time and from now on I feel that I got atleast some ansers to my problem.

Thanks for atleast trying to help. Even if it was hard to give help.... 

 

 

 

 

[stconquest]

3 hours ago, Diner50 said:

I'm aware that upgrading GPU power is not going to help if therer is a bottleneck in the system... I was only saying that at SOME point I upgrade to a Nividia GPU insted of AMD. Main reason is Shadowplay. After that CUDA is more common to work vs Open GL stuff.. That crashes every 10min.. 

 

Soooo aaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllll you guys know my CPU never hit 100% usage exept in 2 games. And like rendering video with the CPU. Like SonyVegas or any 3d program. Fallout 4 hits 100% usage. And City Skylines modded hit 100% usage if the city is going to hell..

 

ALL my games from Duke Nuke all the way to GTA 5 and even Witcher 3 I belive it 60-80% usage at best. NO HEAT PROBLEMS: 

I have stresst test my CPU GPU RAM HARDRIVES and this hole mess of things. Only time I crash is when a overclock fails on the GPU. Not the best OC at all. But atleast the R9 280x I got is running games allot better now after doing a OC that's steady. 

 

I'm going to get a new PSU and soon a better CPU to. After that a GPU after reading into what GPU I got. But the drivers from AMD is making me go insane. The programs AMD GPU owners get is sooooo bad. That I'm going to jump to Nividia.

 

 

Don't give this topic more ansers. I managed to scew up bad time and from now on I feel that I got atleast some ansers to my problem.

Thanks for atleast trying to help. Even if it was hard to give help.... 

 

 

 

 

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