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NSA refuses To Deny That It Collected The Location Data Of US Phone Calls, these liars

 

During a Senate Intelligence Committee briefing, Gen. Alexander refused to state that the National Security Agency (NSA) had never in the past collected the location information of American phone calls.

Following pointed questioning by Sen. Wyden, he claimed that “Under Section 215, NSA is not receiving cell site location data and has no current plans to do so.” Sen. Wyden responded, as reported by The Hill, asking if the NSA had ever done so. Gen. Alexander would not answer the question directly.

Following a very public flap in which the U.S. intelligence apparatus was publicly excoriated and mocked for directly lying to its Congressional oversight, it would appear that it doesn’t want to make that mistake again, at least in the context of a scrutinized, televised hearing.

The implication here is obvious: The NSA claims that it is not currently tracking the location of cell phone calls placed in the United States, but refuses to state that it never has. So it did.

This is a bit worse than you think. The NSA already tracks the time and human participation of U.S. phone calls, so why is location an issue? Because if the NSA tracks the location of U.S. cell phone calls, it has roving GPS units strapped to every citizen that could be used to map where each of us is at any given moment.

Source: http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/27/the-nsa-refuses-to-deny-that-it-collected-the-location-data-of-us-phone-calls/

 

[MrImnotMLG]

They just want to admit it. Those BASTERDS!

[Jeroen1322]

You guys are crying about the NSA.. Where i live (The Netherlands) We get monitored and our phone's tapped 60x more than in 'murica

[looney]

You guys are crying about the NSA.. Where i live (The Netherlands) We get monitored and our phone's tapped 60x more than in 'murica

we have the largest number of legal registered phone-taps per capita, though what the NSA does ist really publicly available..... 

[Jeroen1322]

we have the largest number of legal registered phone-taps per capita, though what the NSA does ist really publicly available..... 

Why legal? What the .. 

[looney]

Why legal? What the .. 

not saying I agree with them being legal but they are, and they are all reported and you can look up the exact numbers, the NSA doesn't disclose that.

[Theo]

BUT IF YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

[Slaeowulf]

Whenever I see an NSA thread I always think of this one

 

 

Which are you? 

[Kuzma]

Whenever I see an NSA thread I always think of this one

 

 

Which are you?

All of the above

[EChondo]

 

BUT IF YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

Then you don't mind if I come into your house and take pictures of you while you're naked and upload them everywhere, right?

[Gob]

BUT IF YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

 

I don't know if you are trolling or not, but I have seen others make this statement several times. I personally believe this logic is flawed:

 

Firstly, "DOING ANYTHING WRONG" cannot be finitely defined because laws are not static over time. That means, yes, now you may not be doing anything wrong, but that does not mean that all those activities you have done in the past will be legal in the future. And now the government has piles of "evidence" of all the "illegal" activities you have been associated with.

 

Secondly, there are many examples of laws being defined by governments and their interests, not by human morality. For example, it is illegal to J-Walk or to not wear your seatbelt or bike helmet (not saying that these things aren't a good idea, but do they need to be law?). Are you doing bad things when you J-walk or not wear a seatbelt? Are you hurting others? But this does bring ticketing revenues to municipalities under the guise of "helping the public". Which furthers my point, as I do not know a single person who has never J-walked. So you may be doing something "WRONG" and not know/remember it.

 

Lastly, and probably most simply, surveillance of a populous expresses a desire to control that populous. This is a contradiction of what a democratic government should be. The people should control the government, not the other way around. Not wanting total, unconditional surveillance is not about "HIDE"ing anything from the government, it is about not being truly free.

 

My two cents, anyways.

[Theo]

 

Then you don't mind if I come into your house and take pictures of you while you're naked and upload them everywhere, right?

 

 

I don't know if you are trolling or not, but I have seen others make this statement several times. I personally believe this logic is flawed:

 

Firstly, "DOING ANYTHING WRONG" cannot be finitely defined because laws are not static over time. That means, yes, now you may not be doing anything wrong, but that does not mean that all those activities you have done in the past will be legal in the future. And now the government has piles of "evidence" of all the "illegal" activities you have been associated with.

 

Secondly, there are many examples of laws being defined by governments and their interests, not by human morality. For example, it is illegal to J-Walk or to not wear your seatbelt or bike helmet (not saying that these things aren't a good idea, but do they need to be law?). Are you doing bad things when you J-walk or not wear a seatbelt? Are you hurting others? But this does bring ticketing revenues to municipalities under the guise of "helping the public". Which furthers my point, as I do not know a single person who has never J-walked. So you may be doing something "WRONG" and not know/remember it.

 

Lastly, and probably most simply, surveillance of a populous expresses a desire to control that populous. This is a contradiction of what a democratic government should be. The people should control the government, not the other way around. Not wanting total, unconditional surveillance is not about "HIDE"ing anything from the government, it is about not being truly free.

 

My two cents, anyways.

Was trolling, ive seen that argument being used which makes me cringe and die inside, and wish that the people who believe that lived in Stalin USSR or Nazi germany were people didndt really have any freedom

[LAwLz]

You think that's bad? Wait till you read this: The NSA reveals how many analysts abused its database to spy on their lovers

People working at the NSA have used their massive database to read private emails and such, related to their ex-partners, their current partners and so on.

[Cobalt]

Whenever I see an NSA thread I always think of this one

 

 

Which are you? 

A mix between the philospher, the crypto nut and the conspiracist

Oh the NSA, all the power and all the corruption it brings with it!

[That Norwegian Guy]

Firstly, "DOING ANYTHING WRONG" cannot be finitely defined because laws are not static over time.

 

Right and wrong is not determined by laws, it's determined by morality.

[legopc]

BUT IF YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

but i like to search on how to make bombs 

[chirag.rh]

Whenever I see an NSA thread I always think of this one

 

 

Which are you? 

Ha ha ha I'm a mix between The Philosopher, The Crypto-Nut as well as The Conspiracist! 

[Gob]

Right and wrong is not determined by laws, it's determined by morality.

Never said they were? In fact, my second argument states this exact point.

 

The orignal comment was (though he/she was joking):

BUT IF YOU ARENT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

 

And in this case, he is talking about a government's notion of right and wrong, which is determined by laws.

[Andrew0472]

i don't live in the us so the nsa stuff doesnt affect me but i dont understand all the people who are so mad about it when they probably just sit on social networking and play games (nothing to hide). Yeh morally the nsa is a bad thing to some people but for the majority it will never affect you/make a difference