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GTX 780 ti wil be the winner against 970 in the future THEORY

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i kinda have a theory that if it's true 780ti is back(at least against 970). let's all agree that nvidia does not support well last generation's card in order to prove how better the new generation is.YES THEY DO IT, DO NOT TRY TO PROVE THE OPPOSITE, if you try then go back and check how better the 780ti was against 290x and check now IN EVERY SINGLE GAME 290x (nowdays) it's better thatn 780ti . they have done this thing for the last 5 years or more. But we also have to agree that if a card it's 2 gens back or more ,the support is kinda good enough for a  3+ years old card. So the result is = New gens means the last gen will not be supported that much. so it's gonna be treated as an old card and there is no need to prove that it's the best out there (something that new gens must do ) .Also we know that for example 780ti on benchmarks(not games) is better than 970 ( 

 ) but nvidia supports better the 970 in games cause it's their's newest gen (for now) . So 780ti is (at least against 970,as it may seems ) BACK.

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3 minutes ago, Hunched said:

Can someone ban you?

This is fucking retarded.

tell me what's wrong .Do not answer all , just use some arguments in order to convince me

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5 minutes ago, spyridon97 said:

i kinda have a theory that if it's true kepler are back. let's all agree that nvidia does not support well last generation's card in order to prove how better the new generation is.YES THEY DO IT, DO NOT TRY TO PROVE THE OPPOSITE, if you try then go back and check how better the 780ti was against 290x and check now IN EVERY SINGLE GAME 290x (nowdays) it's better thatn 780ti . they have done this thing for the last 5 years or more. But we also have to agree that if a card it's 2 gens back or more ,the support is kinda good enough for a  3+ years old card. So the result is = New gens means the last gen will not be supported that much. so it's gonna be treated as an old card and there is no need to prove that it's the best out there (something that new gens must do ) .Also we know that for example 780ti on benchmarks(not games) is better than 970 ( https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=780ti+vs+970 ) but nvidia supports better the 970 in games cause it's their's newest gen (for now) . So kepler are (as it may seems ) BACK.

tl;dr pls

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1 minute ago, SeanAngelo said:

tl;dr pls

give it a shot

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Put your tin foil hat down son. Also 28nm and 16nm. Big difference 

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Put your tin foil hat down son. Also 28nm and 16nm. Big difference 

i am not arguing with that i just say that for sure 780ti will be even or better against a 970 games as it had to be and it was at the launch date of 970 

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14 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

tl;dr pls

because of driver nerfing and lack of support, 970 will drop in performance, so in newer games where the focus is to optimize for pascal, 970 and 780 ti will perform about the same because of drivers

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1 minute ago, DrM said:

because of driver nerfing and lack of support, 970 will drop in performance, so in newer games where the focus is to optimize for pascal, 970 and 780 ti will perform about the same because of drivers

yeap that's the point but i had to use arguments. in order to say it that's why  it was  tl;dr 

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easy, dont update your drivers

that was my last thread and everybody was against me. 

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15 minutes ago, spyridon97 said:

that was my last thread and everybody was against me. 

im not against you

i somewhat agree that nvidia is known for doing shady things

 

but truthfully i wouldnt even touch my gpu drivers due to

1) the newer drivers are utterly pile of crap

2) i dont really play the latest titles (even if you do, you can use older drivers, just no SLI support and what not)

 

thinking of going further back, im at 361.91 currently

maybe i should go 358.xx lol

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

im not against you

i somewhat agree that nvidia is known for doing shady things

 

but truthfully i wouldnt even touch my gpu drivers due to

1) the newer drivers at utterly pile of crap

2) i dont really play the latest titles (even if you do, you can use older drivers, just no SLI support and what not)

 

thinking of going further back, im at 361.91 currently

maybe i should go 358.xx lol

after all i found another guy who thinks the same. Thanks god i am not the only one .

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18 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

tl;dr pls

Cards two generations back get better driver support than last gen cards; 7xx cards should start showing improvement with the release of 10xx drivers while 9xx drivers will start getting nurfed.

 

This has been debunked numerous times. 7xx cards are faster now then they have ever been, and probably will get slight improvements, but so will 9xx cards.

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16 minutes ago, DevilishBooster said:

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As an amd user you can be happy of having normal updates ,i was also a happy 280x but i sold my beauty and now i search for new gpu. and i am trying to figure out nvidia's logic. And either you see it or not. i got a point.(INfo stop using photos with a <<funny> speach that you can not think by yourself)

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5 minutes ago, Deusrex said:

Cards two generations back get better driver support than last gen cards; 7xx cards should start showing improvement with the release of 10xx drivers while 9xx drivers will start getting nurfed.

 

This has been debunked numerous times. 7xx cards are faster now then they have ever been, and probably will get slight improvements, but so will 9xx cards.

9xx cards have to be <<worse>> than the new gen and if you also remind to your self that only a few of benchmarks sites(about games) shows results about 2 gens back cards . every single 780ti user will be happy again ;) seing his benchmarks comparing them against those that are are shown at all those benchmarks sites

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Just now, VagabondWraith said:

El Diablo's alt account?

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42 minutes ago, spyridon97 said:

i am not arguing with that i just say that for sure 780ti will be even or better against a 970 games as it had to be and it was at the launch date of 970 

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22 minutes ago, spyridon97 said:

9xx cards have to be <<worse>> than the new gen and if you also remind to your self that only a few of benchmarks sites(about games) shows results about 2 gens back cards . every single 780ti user will be happy again ;) seing his benchmarks comparing them against those that are are shown at all those benchmarks sites

I have no idea what you're rambling about here. The performance of my 780ti has done nothing but improve over the time that I've owned it. The bars on bench mark sites have gone down, but that's because maxwell is a better architecture. It has nothing to do with Nvidia hiding some unseen potential in the chip.

 

The new 1080 and 1070 will be better than the 9xx cards because the hardware is better.

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8 minutes ago, Deusrex said:

I have no idea what you're rambling about here. The performance of my 780ti has done nothing but improve over the time that I've owned it. The bars on bench mark sites have gone down, but that's because maxwell is a better architecture. It has nothing to do with Nvidia hiding some unseen potential in the chip.

 

The new 1080 and 1070 will be better than the 9xx cards because the hardware is better.

I agree that the hardward is better , but let's check as i said why 780ti was better in every single benchmarks back in the days of 2013-2014 , and at 2015-2016 290x wins in every single one? even on nvidia games? i will tell you why . CAUSE amd tries to sell cards everytime better yeah but also to not destroy the last gen. that's why 290 is the best performance per dollar(euros whatever) card right now. And you call also see that 290 has a small difference against 390 (that's the hardward difference) . check 780 vs 980. if you dare it to call it small diffrence  i am here and waiting for it !

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2 minutes ago, spyridon97 said:

 

Buddy. You literally linked a video from December 2014 when the 900 series was new and now it's near summer 2016. The 780Ti is way behind the 970 now in newer titles. It won't magically get better. 

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8 hours ago, afyeung said:

Buddy. You literally linked a video from December 2014 when the 900 series was new and now it's near summer 2016. The 780Ti is way behind the 970 now in newer titles. It won't magically get better. 

we will see!

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