880k or G3258?

[TheDoebes]

With the new 880k out, is the G3258 still the best choice for low budget gaming builds?

I'm putting together a rig for about $250 with a 650ti boost and a hard drive that I got for free.

[PlayStation 2]

Eh, personally I'd probably go for the G3258 unless you need 4 cores.

[Sir Asvald]

9 minutes ago, TheDoebes said:

With the new 880k out, is the G3258 still the best choice for low budget gaming builds?

I'm putting together a rig for about $250 with a 650ti boost and a hard drive that I got for free.

Depends on the games you're going to be playing. But for this case, I'd got with the 880K. Just because you're going to playing low end games(?) And the G3258 Is not an option anymore for gaming (in my honest opinion) 

[ZetZet]

5 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Eh, personally I'd probably go for the G3258 unless you need 4 cores.

g3258 is pretty bad now that most games actually understand 4 cores. 880k is better.

[Arc_Jester]

If you play games modern games that have proper multi core support and you're going to leave the CPU the same for the foreseeable future then 880K is the way to go.

[manikyath]

Just now, ZetZet said:

g3258 is pretty bad now that most games actually understand 4 cores. 880k is better.

but if you only play games that do two cores or less (very big glare at FSX here) the pentium is better.

 

its a matter of putting the right component in the right situation.

[LeStringMan]

FX-6300 is only 5 more dollars than the 880k. 

[ZetZet]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

but if you only play games that do two cores or less (very big glare at FSX here) the pentium is better.

 

its a matter of putting the right component in the right situation.

since you buy a computer for more than one year... 880k is better.

[manikyath]

Just now, ZetZet said:

since you buy a computer for more than one year... 880k is better.

well, for all we know OP is putting together a dedicated FSX rig.

[ZetZet]

3 minutes ago, manikyath said:

well, for all we know OP is putting together a dedicated FSX rig.

(no one does that, only freaks)

[Nena Trinity]

880K has a cooler almost equal to the 212 Evo so you save cash at that! (but not much upgrade path like the LGA1150 has...)  

[WEEEEEE]

2 hours ago, Nena360 said:

880K has a cooler almost equal to the 212 Evo so you save cash at that! (but not much upgrade path like the LGA1150 has...)  

Yeah, the Wraith cooler is a really nice bonus. My suggestion would be to go with the 880k, unless you want to upgrade to a i3/i5/i7 later. 

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, TheDoebes said:

With the new 880k out, is the G3258 still the best choice for low budget gaming builds?

I'm putting together a rig for about $250 with a 650ti boost and a hard drive that I got for free.

i3 6100

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Eh, personally I'd probably go for the G3258 unless you need 4 cores.

If it doesnt have 2 cores + Hyperthreading, or 4 CMT cores at minimum. it has no space in a "gaming" rig in 2016.

[Curufinwe_wins]

18 minutes ago, Prysin said:

If it doesnt have 2 cores + Hyperthreading, or 4 CMT cores at minimum. it has no space in a "gaming" rig in 2016.

I mean imho the g3258 makes way more sense as a platform, considering the upgrade path available. FM2+ is not an acceptable starting platform for 2016.

 

Either way both those cpu's are really shoddy. In the US at least, a i3-6100 (or 4160) is only 20 dollars more or so, and once you factor in a decentish motherboard with modern features the price difference gets even smaller...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($108.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $150.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-05 00:40 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($88.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($52.38 @ Newegg) 
Total: $141.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-05 00:40 EDT-0400

[diapersarefullofshit]

Both suck but atleast the G3258 has descent upgradeability. I find the argument in favor of the 880k that alot of games need 4 cores pretty weak. This because when a game actually uses 4 cores, the gamingexperience will most likely suck on an AMD 880k and not many games actually demand 4 cores, so imho the argument in favor of the 880k is weak.. I bought the G3258 last year with the idea of upgrading it when i had the need for more cores then 2, but i do not have that need at this time because most games (>99%) do not use 4 cores but 2! Just accept that some games that will come out this year, wil not be playable until you saved up for an cpu upgrade, but also note that probably 7 (or more) out of the 10 most played games on steam are still playable on high or ultra settings with a G3258+descent-gpu.

 

1) If you buy your system new at a (online) store and not second hand then i would advice the 1151 socket with the intel G4400 processor over a G3258 on the 1150 socket. The G4400 is also a dualcore but has better upgrade-ability then the G3258 (newer platform and ddr4 instead of ddr3).

2) A second hand G3258 comboset with a discount of 40% or more could even be more interesting bang4buck-wise.

[Apache Protocol]

8 hours ago, TheDoebes said:

With the new 880k out, is the G3258 still the best choice for low budget gaming builds?

I'm putting together a rig for about $250 with a 650ti boost and a hard drive that I got for free.

If you could find a deal like mine for example i purchase my Intel Pentium G3258 + ASUS B85M-GAMER for $99 Combo Deal last December or if you could find one i would go Intel Build and in the Future Upgrade that CPU if you really going to Play Games that will be needing Quad Core rather then Dual Core.

 

If you could find a Deal like Intel Pentium G4400 + z170 MoBo like for $130-160 go with the new Generation.

 

and if your really on a Tight Budget and might not really going to spend any more Cash on your Rig AMD will be the best Value for the Money.

 

Check out my Sig this PC was Build 2015 December and all Competitive Games i play Eat the leaving hell out of it but i got one Problem and my Bottleneck is Monitor i get over +100 FPS in Games.

 

Next upgrade ill be doing will be like a Monitor BenQ XL2420G or AOC G2460PG if i could find one here in the Philippines. RIP High End Parts for me.

[diapersarefullofshit]

41 minutes ago, apacheprotocol said:

If you could find a Deal like Intel Pentium G4400 + z170 MoBo like for $130-160 go with the new Generation.

You do not need a Z170 mobo for a standard G4400 processor, a simple $50/75,-- mobo will do. You can upgrade to a standard i5/i7 without overclocking, which for 99% of the users will be a fine choice! (like me)

[Apache Protocol]

5 minutes ago, diapersarefullofshit said:

You do not need a Z170 mobo for a standard G4400, a simple $50,-- mobo will do.

you can still overclock BCLK on a G4400 on a Z170 on a Specific BIOS Version, Just saying

[Prysin]

13 hours ago, diapersarefullofshit said:

Both suck but atleast the G3258 has descent upgradeability. I find the argument in favor of the 880k that alot of games need 4 cores pretty weak. This because when a game actually uses 4 cores, the gamingexperience will most likely suck on an AMD 880k and not many games actually demand 4 cores, so imho the argument in favor of the 880k is weak.. I bought the G3258 last year with the idea of upgrading it when i had the need for more cores then 2, but i do not have that need at this time because most games (>99%) do not use 4 cores but 2! Just accept that some games that will come out this year, wil not be playable until you saved up for an cpu upgrade, but also note that probably 7 (or more) out of the 10 most played games on steam are still playable on high or ultra settings with a G3258+descent-gpu.

 

1) If you buy your system new at a (online) store and not second hand then i would advice the 1151 socket with the intel G4400 processor over a G3258 on the 1150 socket. The G4400 is also a dualcore but has better upgrade-ability then the G3258 (newer platform and ddr4 instead of ddr3).

2) A second hand G3258 comboset with a discount of 40% or more could even be more interesting bang4buck-wise.

and here we have the perfect example of why NOT to buy the G3258.

All the people who buy them, are blinded by their cheap cost but ability to OC and thus forget that the product is still shit and keep using it regardless if it stutters or lags.

 

14 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

I mean imho the g3258 makes way more sense as a platform, considering the upgrade path available. FM2+ is not an acceptable starting platform for 2016.

 

Either way both those cpu's are really shoddy. In the US at least, a i3-6100 (or 4160) is only 20 dollars more or so, and once you factor in a decentish motherboard with modern features the price difference gets even smaller...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($108.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $150.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-05 00:40 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($88.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($52.38 @ Newegg) 
Total: $141.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-05 00:40 EDT-0400

The G3258 NEVER make sense. It is a shit product that should never be bought outside of HTPC or NAS systems. Dual cores without Hyperthreading has NO PLACE in 2016, nor did they in 2015.

 

There is a difference between PLAYING and RUNNING a game. You can RUN a game on a dual core, but you cannot PLAY a game comfortably on a dual core. Ive tested with by disabling cores and hyper-threading on my i7.

 

Also, that B85m board is no better then a FM2+ board. It has no special features making it useful. You just picked the cheapest board you could find to make a point.

[Apache Protocol]

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

The G3258 NEVER make sense. It is a shit product that should never be bought outside of HTPC or NAS systems. Dual cores without Hyperthreading has NO PLACE in 2016, nor did they in 2015.

 

There is a difference between PLAYING and RUNNING a game. You can RUN a game on a dual core, but you cannot PLAY a game comfortably on a dual core. Ive tested with by disabling cores and hyper-threading on my i7.

 

Also, that B85m board is no better then a FM2+ board. It has no special features making it useful. You just picked the cheapest board you could find to make a point.

Really?

 

Dota 2 Reborn - Playing at 100 FPS AVG

CSGO - Playing at 140 FPS AVG

BF4 - Playing at 120 FPS AVG

 

you know what is my bottleneck? FPS yeah Screen Tearing fucking every where. cant use V Sync then game become so delayed you cant play it.

 

don't say you cant play comfortable if you cant confirm it. 

 

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

Also, that B85m board is no better then a FM2+ board. It has no special features making it useful. You just picked the cheapest board you could find to make a point.

What is the Point? Compared to an H81 Chipset your Limited with 2 DIMM Slot that is a Max of 16GB (2x8GB) and why B85 Chipset cause if you think on a budget side a B85 Chipset can get a full potential to purchase for example a 32GB RAM and a Intel Xeon E3 1231-V3 your getting more value for your money.

 

Yeah i know some H81 Chipset has 4 DIMM Slot but some Country/Location are not well Stock so don't just compared your argument that Pentium Suck, Some People are not you and will be never like you so if you want to point out the G3258 is Crap why will Intel Produce such a Product in the first place?

 

Having a Z97 Chipset Full ATX and your simple going to use 1 dim slot 1 gpu and 1 ssd costing like $200 comparing a $30-40 B85 what is your Logic around this.

 

and can you really argue that B85 is no Better than FM2+ if you fully optimize a B85 with a 1231-V3/GTX970/32GB ca a FM2+ beat the intel side when it comes to Game/Editors?

 

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

and here we have the perfect example of why NOT to buy the G3258.

All the people who buy them, are blinded by their cheap cost but ability to OC and thus forget that the product is still shit and keep using it regardless if it stutters or lags.

Your only Logic here is like your going to use a Freeway and the Transportation you'll be using is a Bicycle? why would some people knowing that G3258 is only a Dual core and play games like GTA V knowing better it will not run properly?

 

you could at least help some people that there are still Games out there that will still use dual core cpu for gaming.

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 hours ago, Prysin said:

The G3258 NEVER make sense. It is a shit product that should never be bought outside of HTPC or NAS systems. Dual cores without Hyperthreading has NO PLACE in 2016, nor did they in 2015.

 

There is a difference between PLAYING and RUNNING a game. You can RUN a game on a dual core, but you cannot PLAY a game comfortably on a dual core. Ive tested with by disabling cores and hyper-threading on my i7.

 

Also, that B85m board is no better then a FM2+ board. It has no special features making it useful. You just picked the cheapest board you could find to make a point.

Actually, I didn't just grab the cheapest one. But that's ok.. I also didn't just grab the cheapest FM2+ board (fuck I made sure to grab the best chipset even).

 

The 880k NEVER MAKES SENSE for any of the same applications either (and is NOTABLY worse at almost every older/indy game along with emulators), at least you can move to a decent cpu on the same platform (WHICH I DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANYWAYS!) 

 

You note I actually was comparing an i3 vs a 880k which is a massive difference.

[Monkeypeas]

can i just say... low cost budget gaming builds, BUY SECOND HAND!

 

a 2500k and cheap 1155 board can be had for little money second hand, and will thrash both.

 

the fx6300 is also pretty cheap now, again, all games would be playable.

 

(i'm actually running a fx6300 @ 4.2ghz with a gtx970 while i await zen, and not on an expensive board either, its a bottleneck sure, but i can still run gtav on pretty high settings with it bottoming out at 30-35 fps at its lowest point)

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Actually, I didn't just grab the cheapest one. But that's ok.. I also didn't just grab the cheapest FM2+ board (fuck I made sure to grab the best chipset even).

 

The 880k NEVER MAKES SENSE for any of the same applications either (and is NOTABLY worse at almost every older/indy game along with emulators), at least you can move to a decent cpu on the same platform (WHICH I DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANYWAYS!) 

 

You note I actually was comparing an i3 vs a 880k which is a massive difference.

yeah, although i will be frank.

 

ATM i am using a i3 6100 system, with a Gigabyte Z170Mx Gaming 5 (yes, proper board with decent enough VRMs to OC a 6700k). The previous setup was a A10 7850k with a ASRock A88XFM2+ ITX.... the difference between the two are... not that huge. Considering the GPU is a HD 7950, but still, it isnt that huge. And i am finally starting to see how little single thread performance matters. Because a 7850k will actually score about the same as a i3 6100 in Multi threaded synthetics, one can assume that they are pretty equal in that regards. 4 shitty cores matches 2 great cores with hyperthreading.

 

So to be frank, the 880k will do just fine. 4-4.2Ghz are a decent speed, and you will match up to some older i5s with those speeds.