are xeons or i7s better for dx12 gaming?

[Bajantechnician]

due to dx12 using all avlaible cores, would it be better to get a Xeon E5-2658, or a i7 5930k for gaming?

Thanks

[Enderman]

DX12 uses less cores, not more

so an i7 is better because more core performance

[Daniel1]

I perfer the i7 5930k.

[Suika]

10 minutes ago, Dan1 said:

I perfer the i7 5930k.

There is no reason to buy an i7-5930k asides from running quad-SLI or a lot of expansion cards in general. The 5820k is everything the 5930k is, but significantly cheaper.

 

And I say that because I own a 5930k. 

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

DX12 uses less cores, not more

so an i7 is better because more core performance

i thought it used all cores

1 hour ago, Suika said:

There is no reason to buy an i7-5930k asides from running quad-SLI or a lot of expansion cards in general. The 5820k is everything the 5930k is, but significantly cheaper.

 

And I say that because I own a 5930k. 

pcie lanes.

i have dual 390x cards.

and yes i know, "amd cards can run at 4x"

 

i just wanna fully saturte the cards

[jwakeford]

32 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

due to dx12 using all avlaible cores, would it be better to get a Xeon E5-2658, or a i7 5930k for gaming?

Thanks

Your best bet is to wait for the release of broadwell-E processors at the very beginning of June @Computex. 

The next Broadwell-E processor in line is supposedly the Core i7-6900K, with eight cores, 16 threads, a base clock of 3.2GHz, and a boost clock of 3.7GHz. This chip will only have 20MB of L3 cache, a TDP of 140-watts, and sport a cheaper estimated price of $999. Intel’s six-core i7-6850K CPU isn’t quite as expensive, offering an estimated pricetag of around $550. That buys a chip with a base clock speed of 3.6GHz, a boost clock speed of 3.8GHz, and 15MB of L3 cache.

Most affordable of the line is the i7-6800K processor, priced at around $390. It will also have six cores, but a base clock speed of 3.4GHz, and a boost clock speed of 3.6GHz, with 15MB of L3 Cache.

I would go for the 6850K .

[2FA]

1 minute ago, Bajantechnician said:

i thought it used all cores

pcie lanes.

i have dual 390x cards.

and yes i know, "amd cards can run at 4x"

 

i just wanna fully saturte the cards

It lessens the driver overhead while allowing for more cores to be utilized. However, an i7 will outperform a Xeon purely because it is clocked higher. There is a law of diminishing returns when it comes to gaming and core count.

[jwakeford]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

It lessens the driver overhead while allowing for more cores to be utilized. However, an i7 will outperform a Xeon purely because it is clocked higher. There is a law of diminishing returns when it comes to gaming and core count.

Yes true that but it will even out as CPU optimisation and DX12/ Vulkan games go mainstream . 

Anyhow your best bet on value/money will be the Haswell/Broadwell E 

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, jwakeford said:

Yes true that but it will even out as CPU optimisation and DX12/ Vulkan games go mainstream . 

Anyhow your best bet on value/money will be the Haswell/Broadwell E 

so with dual 390x cards, should i get a 5820k or a 5930x, as i need the chips now

[Enderman]

6 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

i thought it used all cores

No, DX12 relies less on cores

 

The entire point is to move more of the processing to the GPU so that people with weaker CPUs dont have a bad gaming experience

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-linux-society-1000004/3dmark-api-overhead-feature-test-early-dx12-perfor-31936719/

 

As you can see, there are diminishing returns at 6+ cores

[2FA]

1 minute ago, Bajantechnician said:

so with dual 390x cards, should i get a 5820k or a 5930x, as i need the chips now

5820K, the extra price of the 5930K isn't worth it for dual crossfire.

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

5820K, the extra price of the 5930K isn't worth it for dual crossfire.

will i see performance decrease for gpus?

[z97]

23 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

so with dual 390x cards, should i get a 5820k or a 5930x, as i need the chips now

Well if you decide you need the 5820k you know where one is

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, z97 said:

Well if you decide you need the 5820k you know where one is

om 80% going to geta  5820k stead of a 5930x, well see

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, z97 said:

Well if you decide you need the 5820k you know where one is

k, pming

[Sintezza]

At 4K it wont realy matter much.

Because you will be mainaly gpu limmited anyway.

But there is realy no reason to go with a E5 Xeon over an i7-5820K or 5930K for the general use of gaming.

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

At 4K it wont realy matter much.

Because you will be mainaly gpu limmited anyway.

i see.

how about at non-4k?

will i see lowered performance?

[Sintezza]

4 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

i see.

how about at non-4k?

will i see lowered performance?

Depends on the game and the resolution you aim to play at.

It will also depending how well the game is optimized to work with dual gpu setups.

But at 1080p, no matter which cpu you trow at it, there will be a cpu bottleneck in certain cpu demending games.

The scaling will be far from ideal in allot of games.

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

Depends on the game and the resolution you aim to play at.

It will also depending how well the game is optimized to work with dual gpu setups.

But at 1080p, no matter which cpu you trow at it, there will be a cpu bottleneck in certain cpu demending games.

gta v?

 

[Sintezza]

3 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

gta v?

 

not sure how well GTA5 is optimized for crossfire in this case.

But if you play that with dual 390´s on 1440P or higher, then you might start to see some realy nice scaling going on.

But 1080p probably not.

 

5930K would be a good choice, but also a 6700K basicly.

No matter if you run the crossfire on 16x or 8x for that matter.

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

not sure how well GTA5 is optimized for crossfire in this case.

But if you play that with dual 390´s on 1440P or higher, then you might start to see some realy nice scaling going on.

But 1080p probably not.

 

5930K would be a good choice, but also a 6700K basicly.

would a 5820k bottlenck dual 390x cards in gta @ 4k, vs a 5930x?

[Sintezza]

3 minutes ago, Bajantechnician said:

would a 5820k bottlenck dual 390x cards in gta @ 4k, vs a 5930x?

Nope.

It wont make much of a diffrence.

4K you will be mainaly gpu bound in most games.

The 5820K is more then enough, those 200mhz more on the 5930K wont help you much.

Next to that you can totaly overclock the 5820K.

I personaly dont realy see much reasons to go with a 5930K and pay the premium, for just 12 more direct lanes.

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

Nope.

It wont make much of a diffrence.

4K you will be mainaly gpu bound in most games.

The 5820K is more then enough, those 200mhz more on the 5930K wont help you much.

Next to that you can totaly overclock the 5820K.

I personaly dont realy see much reasons to go with a 5930K and pay the premium, for just 12 more direct lanes.

pcie lane wize?

[Sintezza]

1 minute ago, Bajantechnician said:

pcie lane wize?

Yes i dont realy see much reasons to pay the premium for the 5930K for 40 pci-e lanes.

Because it wont matter much if you run that dual 390 setup on either 16X speeds or 8X speeds pci-e 3.0.

You basicly pay a shit ton of money more for just 12 direct pci-e lanes.

Unless you have some plans to go with a faincy pci-e raid controller or triple or quad gpu setups, then a 5930k makes kinda sense.

But i personaly dont realy see any reason why you would like to have more then 2 gpu´s on your system.

Unless you like to do something fancy with multiple vm´s or what not.

 

[Bajantechnician]

1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

Yes i dont realy see much reasons to pay the premium for the 5930K for 40 pci-e lanes.

Because it wont matter much if you run that dual 390 setup on either 16X speeds or 8X speeds pci-e 3.0.

You basicly pay a shit ton of money more for just 12 direct pci-e lanes.

Unless you have some plans to go with a faincy pci-e raid controller or triple or quad gpu setups, then a 5930k makes kinda sense.

But i personaly dont realy see any reason why you would like to have more then 2 gpu´s on your system.

Unless you like to do something fancy with multiple vm´s or what not.

 

max i will do is 3 way 390x, but 2 as of now.

basicly, every extra 1 pcie lane over 12 frm the 5930k is $200/12 , no, no vms lol