Xeon E5-2603 V3

[BurblingBarbacoa]

I'm wanting an upgrade due to my current i5 6500. I'm slowly doing more and more video editing, 3D work and just generally hevier workloads where the CPU is concerned. I don't have a massive budget and I would like to go 6 core. I considered the 5820k but it seemed a bit much. I had a look at Xeons and saw the 2603. I need to know the following things:

• will it preform better in workstation kinda stuff than the i5? 
• will it cut back gaming preformance significantly? (I'm running a 380x with 1440p or 1080p 60htz 
• can I overclock it from the stock 1.6ghz? (noctua nhd14) 
• will it work with any standard x99 board? 

Thanks in advance 

[Enderman]

just buy a 4790k or 6700k, 8 threads is enough

[BurblingBarbacoa]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

just buy a 4790k or 6700k, 8 threads is enough

I actually borrowed a i7 6700 and I found it to still be not snappy enough for my taste. I doubt the K would improve this much. 

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, BurblingBarbacoa said:

I actually borrowed a i7 6700 and I found it to still be not snappy enough for my taste. I doubt the K would improve this much. 

uh, a 5820k will not be any "snappier" than a 6700

it will usually be slower due to worse core performance

the only thing it would be better at is rendering where you might have something render in 30 minutes instead of 45, and i dont see how you can possibly feel that as "snappy"

 

if your system isnt fast with a 6700 then you should look into optimizing some of your other stuff such as reinstalling OS, adding ram, faster storage, etc...

[BurblingBarbacoa]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

uh, a 5820k will not be any "snappier" than a 6700

it will usually be slower due to worse core performance

the only thing it would be better at is rendering where you might have something render in 30 minutes instead of 45, and i dont see how you can possibly feel that as "snappy"

 

if your system isnt fast with a 6700 then you should look into optimizing some of your other stuff such as reinstalling OS, adding ram, faster storage, etc...

When I said snappy I was merely referring to how long things took. Particularly rendering. Snappy is just a nice word. I'm sure you do... 

 

My my computer is very clean and Windows has been reinstalled not 2 months ago. I have 16gb but I do plan to go up to 32gb after seeing instances of 16gb being maxed out. Storage is somthimg that I need to upgrade as I am using a V300, two Ultra II, A Seagate Barracuda and a old Hitachi drive. Having said that my storage should not particularly affect my render times to a great extent (correct me if I am wrong). 

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, BurblingBarbacoa said:

When I said snappy I was merely referring to how long things took. Particularly rendering. Snappy is just a nice word. I'm sure you do... 

 

My my computer is very clean and Windows has been reinstalled not 2 months ago. I have 16gb but I do plan to go up to 32gb after seeing instances of 16gb being maxed out. Storage is somthimg that I need to upgrade as I am using a V300, two Ultra II, A Seagate Barracuda and a old Hitachi drive. Having said that my storage should not particularly affect my render times to a great extent (correct me if I am wrong). 

depending on the programs you use you may get a bigger increase from a more powerful GPU or possibly an old quadro

[BurblingBarbacoa]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

depending on the programs you use you may get a bigger increase from a more powerful GPU or possibly an old quadro

Ok. I'll keep that all in mind. I'll wait for a few more opinions to hopefully come through. 

 

I dont really ally want to upgrade my 380x yet coz I literally just got it. I haven't even updated my signature. 

 

You never really answered my original questions on the 2603... 

[Liltrekkie]

Whoa nelly. Some misinformation there. "8 threads is enough" This is NOT true at all. Depending on the program, 3d work and editing programs will eat every single thread you have and want more. IPC (single thread performance) does will NOT matter in 90% of 3d work, video work, or other similar situations where programs like that will take full advantage of more cores and threads. You WILL notice a difference

 

There is a reason the video editors in linus media group have 6 core processors, and one of them is still using a 12 core xeon EVEN THOUGH they have a network render farm. Why? Because the green screen work, photoshop, and video editing programs LOVE more threads. 

 

To the OP, Save some money. Broadwell-e will be hitting the shelves soon, with similar IPC to skylake, 6 cores or more. and will drive down haswell-e prices if cost is a concern. Plenty of time to save money and jump to a more core situation. Also give you time to refine your workflow and think about where you want to take this heavy workload. If you get into serious work, you could benefit form a better GPU at some point, but it's not a major concern for  long while. Like linus said "A video card, whether it be AMD for OpenCL acceleration, or NVIDIA for CUDA acceleration, a GPU is better then NO GPU. You do not need a top of the line card to take advantage of GPU acceleration, the cost verse benefit in render time is minimum and not worth it IMO"

[HelplmChoking]

Try a 2670 man. $75 for 16 threads, scores a little over 1000 in Cinebench.

[PooPipeBoy]

14 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

Try a 2670 man. $75 for 16 threads, scores a little over 1000 in Cinebench.

Now that everyone and their brother is getting on the E5 2670 bandwagon, won't be long until they've doubled in asking price.

[Enderman]

7 hours ago, Liltrekkie said:

Whoa nelly. Some misinformation there. "8 threads is enough" This is NOT true at all

Linus media group is a video production company

I'm pretty sure OP is just doing this as a hobby and not as a daily job making thousands of dollars from it

 

if he was then he certainly would be able to afford a 5960x or better

 

And yes, 8 threads IS enough because all video editing programs work on 8 thread CPUs just fine. It just takes about 50% or less longer to render than it would on 12 threads

A case where 8 threads isnt enough would be a case where a program needs a minimum of 12 threads to run, which doesn't exist, at least not for 3d rendering or video editing

Clearly you need to look up the definition of "enough"

[Suika]

6 hours ago, PooPipeBoy said:

Now that everyone and their brother is getting on the E5 2670 bandwagon, won't be long until they've doubled in asking price.

Oi, get 'em while they're hot!

 

Seriously it is a genuine option to consider if OP is considering spending $400+ on a CPU/Mobo. A couple 2670s and a solid C602 motherboard and OP will have a 32 thread machine with decent IPC. Won't be a gaming beast but should handle most games fine.

 

But another thing to consider is Linus' previous video about video editing on an ultrabook. You don't need a heavy machine to edit a video, as mentioned earlier the only thing that'll change significantly is render time. I don't know enough about 3D work to make a comment about it, though.

[Liltrekkie]

8 hours ago, Enderman said:

Linus media group is a video production company

I'm pretty sure OP is just doing this as a hobby and not as a daily job making thousands of dollars from it

 

if he was then he certainly would be able to afford a 5960x or better

 

And yes, 8 threads IS enough because all video editing programs work on 8 thread CPUs just fine. It just takes about 50% or less longer to render than it would on 12 threads

A case where 8 threads isnt enough would be a case where a program needs a minimum of 12 threads to run, which doesn't exist, at least not for 3d rendering or video editing

Clearly you need to look up the definition of "enough"

It doesn't matter what his "daily job" is or if it is a hobby. I'm telling you 8 threads is not enough when you start to dive into more complex projects. And according to the OP, he's just hitting the tip of the iceberg. The CPU is the most limiting factor within 3d work, rendering and other stuff like that. The more complex projects you start to get into the more you're waiting even for a rough render. 

 

I've created animation projects using a 4790k, a 5960x, and my little overclocked phenom II 1055t processor. I've also rendered footage on each platform, and I've also recently dived in Unreal Engine 4. I meant it when I said 8 threads is NOT enough. For large and complex scenes I waited 10 minutes for a light render on the 4790k. The extra 2 cores and 4 threads does make a huge difference is animation render times even for rough sketches that isn't a final product. When push comes to shove, Adobe projects (and other platforms like UE4, sony vegas, blender, etc) the more threads you can put in those applications, the better they work. That has been my first hand experience. That has been linus's first hand experience too. Do remember they weren't always a huge production company. 

 

So don't sit there and tell me what is and isn't enough, I have worked with these products almost everyday for a few years enough to know that having more threads IS a good thing in both the short term and long run. 

[HelplmChoking]

8 hours ago, Enderman said:

Linus media group is a video production company

I'm pretty sure OP is just doing this as a hobby and not as a daily job making thousands of dollars from it

 

if he was then he certainly would be able to afford a 5960x or better

 

And yes, 8 threads IS enough because all video editing programs work on 8 thread CPUs just fine. It just takes about 50% or less longer to render than it would on 12 threads

A case where 8 threads isnt enough would be a case where a program needs a minimum of 12 threads to run, which doesn't exist, at least not for 3d rendering or video editing

Clearly you need to look up the definition of "enough"

Uh what? I can't afford a 5960x at all, despite this being my main job. my 16 thread Xeon takes literally half the time to render in 3dsMax which is invaluable. Do you want to wait for 6 hours for a render? I doubt it. 8 threads work, but 16 is faster.

[Enderman]

1 hour ago, Liltrekkie said:

It doesn't matter what his "daily job" is or if it is a hobby. I'm telling you 8 threads is not enough when you start to dive into more complex projects. And according to the OP, he's just hitting the tip of the iceberg. The CPU is the most limiting factor within 3d work, rendering and other stuff like that. The more complex projects you start to get into the more you're waiting even for a rough render. 

 

I've created animation projects using a 4790k, a 5960x, and my little overclocked phenom II 1055t processor. I've also rendered footage on each platform, and I've also recently dived in Unreal Engine 4. I meant it when I said 8 threads is NOT enough. For large and complex scenes I waited 10 minutes for a light render on the 4790k. The extra 2 cores and 4 threads does make a huge difference is animation render times even for rough sketches that isn't a final product. When push comes to shove, Adobe projects (and other platforms like UE4, sony vegas, blender, etc) the more threads you can put in those applications, the better they work. That has been my first hand experience. That has been linus's first hand experience too. Do remember they weren't always a huge production company. 

 

So don't sit there and tell me what is and isn't enough, I have worked with these products almost everyday for a few years enough to know that having more threads IS a good thing in both the short term and long run. 

 

As I said, you clearly dont understand what "enough" means.

I do video editing and 3d rendering as a "hobby" and 8 threads works perfectly fine

There are no programs that dont work on an 8 thread CPU, so its far more than enough

 

Also you are severely overestimating that 4 threads can do, just look at any benchmark of a 4790k vs 5820k, usually the 5820k is only about 20-30% better at stuff like rendering

Unless you have some real numbers to prove me wrong, your "huge difference" claims are completely unsupported

 

1 hour ago, Rangaman42 said:

Uh what? I can't afford a 5960x at all, despite this being my main job. my 16 thread Xeon takes literally half the time to render in 3dsMax which is invaluable. Do you want to wait for 6 hours for a render? I doubt it. 8 threads work, but 16 is faster.

Well a 16 thread xeon is pretty much the same as a 5960x, and the 2670 costs more than the 5960X by 50% anyway

So how can you "not afford" a $1k CPU when you can afford a $1.5k CPU?

I'm not saying you should buy a 5960x, my point was that if you do this as a job then you can certainly afford the right tools for it, aka a CPU with more threads

And your signature says you have a 2670 so you basically just proved yourself wrong

[Liltrekkie]

13 minutes ago, Enderman said:

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Clearly what is enough is going to differ between you, me and the OP as our experiences seem to dictate that. 

 

From my experience, 4 cores and 8 threads is not enough. Maybe it is for you, but we also dont know what specific programs he uses. I was stating that the more advanced and complex stuff is where he will need more cores and threads. That is my experience. Perhaps you are more then happy with whatever workload you give your CPU, but with the kind of workload I get into, and the kind of workload I believe the OP wants to get into, he could benefit from more cores and threads. In general though, video editing and rendering software.

 

A 6700k is $358 on amazon. 

A 4790k is $331 on amazon. 

A 5820k is $389 on amazon. 

 

And like I said, broadwell-e is around literally. 

Overall the 5820k is the better value. Though a 6700k would make more sense than a 4970k. 

 

OP is running skylake. OP probably has ddr4 memory. 

What makes the most sense and provides the best value? either the 5820k or the 6700k. the 4790k doesn't make ANY sense what so ever. However the only benefit to the 6700k is overclocking and hyper threading. 

 

You be the judge of what the better value is. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

5820K

[Enderman]

41 minutes ago, Liltrekkie said:

OP is running skylake. OP probably has ddr4 memory. 

What makes the most sense and provides the best value? either the 5820k or the 6700k. the 4790k doesn't make ANY sense what so ever. However the only benefit to the 6700k is overclocking and hyper threading. 

 

You be the judge of what the better value is. 

Did you not even read my first post or something?

I said 4790k or 6700k because i didnt check what he was currently running

those are just two examples of 8 core CPUs that can render and video edit perfectly fine

 

You're also wrong because the 6700k is skylake while the 5820k is haswell

Skylake has a lot better single core performance than haswell which puts it very close to the 5820k even in multithreaded tasks

 

As you pointed out, OP has a skylake 6500

Spending another $300+ on a x99 motherboard makes the 5820k even WORSE value for the money just for a 20% shorter rendering time compared to a 6700k

 

Just go look at the benchmarks

The 5820k is honestly not much better than the 6700k in multithreaded stuff

[CrackheadKyle]

Yes it will work on an x99 and your editing performance will likely go up but probably when your actually doing edits, scrubbing, etc if you are rendering videos on your cpu it will take a good turn but if on your graphics card in that sense no and your gaming may be well funky depends on the game really because xeon processors do a high quantity of processing but at low at an individual level (im refering to individual core(s)) and games tend to prefer small quantity of cores but each core is beefy so in the end it depends on how the game can utilize each core which depends on the game and if you were to get that overclocking and a beefy cooler is advised for gaming. well after what i said you may be running from the xeon like herpes but it can be good if your xeon is overclocked and your say gaming and streaming and or locally recording this will give you an absolute HUGE advantage try and shoot for the 3ghz range although either via overclocking or processor because 10 open 3 ghz could be as good as 3 open 4.5 ghz cores get what i'm saying? 

[HelplmChoking]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

Well a 16 thread xeon is pretty much the same as a 5960x, and the 2670 costs more than the 5960X by 50% anyway

So how can you "not afford" a $1k CPU when you can afford a $1.5k CPU?

I'm not saying you should buy a 5960x, my point was that if you do this as a job then you can certainly afford the right tools for it, aka a CPU with more threads

And your signature says you have a 2670 so you basically just proved yourself wrong

Uh what? You mean the Xeons available for ~$75USD? I don't know what you do for a business, but for me it is important to get the correct tools at the best price. I mean sure, you can get by on 8 threads no problem, I did for nearly two years. But when its 3am, and your render is still going, you're going to wish you had more grunt.

[Enderman]

12 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

Uh what? You mean the Xeons available for ~$75USD? I don't know what you do for a business, but for me it is important to get the correct tools at the best price. I mean sure, you can get by on 8 threads no problem, I did for nearly two years. But when its 3am, and your render is still going, you're going to wish you had more grunt.

http://ark.intel.com/products/81709/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-v3-30M-Cache-2_30-GHz

 

and i usually do my rendering either overnight or when im working on something else at the same time

its called multitasking

[HelplmChoking]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

http://ark.intel.com/products/81709/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-v3-30M-Cache-2_30-GHz

 

and i usually do my rendering either overnight or when im working on something else at the same time

its called multitasking

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-CPU-E5-2670-SR0KX-2-60GHz-Eight-Core-LGA2011-20MB-CPU-Processor-QTY-1-/262118101167?hash=item3d0774d0af:g:pdwAAOSw~bFWMpH3 You don't buy EOL products new.

 

I render overnight, and while doing other tasks but I still need them as quick as possible. This is like saying "I can get a 980ti, but games run on a 950 so I'll get that". The simple fact is that rendering is faster on more cores. If you render once or twice a month, its not an issue. Several times a week? Invest in appropriate hardware.

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-CPU-E5-2670-SR0KX-2-60GHz-Eight-Core-LGA2011-20MB-CPU-Processor-QTY-1-/262118101167?hash=item3d0774d0af:g:pdwAAOSw~bFWMpH3 You don't buy EOL products new.

 

I render overnight, and while doing other tasks but I still need them as quick as possible. This is like saying "I can get a 980ti, but games run on a 950 so I'll get that". The simple fact is that rendering is faster on more cores. If you render once or twice a month, its not an issue. Several times a week? Invest in appropriate hardware.

Yes I get that

which is why i said if its just a hobby then there is no need for 16 threads because 8 works just fine

if its a job then sure spend more money on more cores if you need them, but the truth is that 99% of programs will run faster with a 6700k than a slow old xeon

[HelplmChoking]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yes I get that

which is why i said if its just a hobby then there is no need for 16 threads because 8 works just fine

if its a job then sure spend more money on more cores if you need them, but the truth is that 99% of programs will run faster with a 6700k than a slow old xeon

I guess the reason I suggest it is because OP said they are getting into more and more rendering etc so a bit of futureproofing is good, and the Xeons are nice and cheap.

[BurblingBarbacoa]

26 minutes ago, Liltrekkie said:

Whoa nelly. Some misinformation there. "8 threads is enough" This is NOT true at all. Depending on the program, 3d work and editing programs will eat every single thread you have and want more. IPC (single thread performance) does will NOT matter in 90% of 3d work, video work, or other similar situations where programs like that will take full advantage of more cores and threads. You WILL notice a difference

 

There is a reason the video editors in linus media group have 6 core processors, and one of them is still using a 12 core xeon EVEN THOUGH they have a network render farm. Why? Because the green screen work, photoshop, and video editing programs LOVE more threads. 

 

To the OP, Save some money. Broadwell-e will be hitting the shelves soon, with similar IPC to skylake, 6 cores or more. and will drive down haswell-e prices if cost is a concern. Plenty of time to save money and jump to a more core situation. Also give you time to refine your workflow and think about where you want to take this heavy workload. If you get into serious work, you could benefit form a better GPU at some point, but it's not a major concern for  long while. Like linus said "A video card, whether it be AMD for OpenCL acceleration, or NVIDIA for CUDA acceleration, a GPU is better then NO GPU. You do not need a top of the line card to take advantage of GPU acceleration, the cost verse benefit in render time is minimum and not worth it IMO"

Thanks. All take all that in mind