LTT Enterprise and Networking content

[Sunshine1868]

8 hours ago, .:MARK:. said:

TL;DR Do proper prior research and learn before you instruct. No more 25km WiFi! and 10Gbit local network! Which are either factually wrong or give the wrong idea of a proper implementation.

Agreed. I love the server/enterprise grade content, but please do more research and maybe explain to people why this may not be necessary/cost effective for the average user.

 

and yes, the clickbait titles are bullshit. stop it @LinusTech, you're better than that.

[Networking Wolf]

OK so I just watched the latest video and I really wanna slam my head into a wall. Point to point connection, which is what they are doing, and it still makes no sense. You cannot , I repeat cannot, x10 your internet speed. The title once again is another click bait which he went through and admitted to in the beginning. Also mixing server grade equipment with consumer grade equipment is ok but not practical. There can be many issues such as drivers not properly syncing to the card not even beginning recognized, but Linus doesn't make mention to any of this. The latest video give me a headache due to this. Everyone needs to know that mixing the equipment MAY work but it has a high chance of failure. Anyone else thinking about this?

[Sunshine1868]

5 hours ago, Jstone said:

OK so I just watched the latest video and I really wanna slam my head into a wall. Point to point connection, which is what they are doing, and it still makes no sense. You cannot , I repeat cannot, x10 your internet speed. The title once again is another click bait which he went through and admitted to in the beginning. Also mixing server grade equipment with consumer grade equipment is ok but not practical. There can be many issues such as drivers not properly syncing to the card not even beginning recognized, but Linus doesn't make mention to any of this. The latest video give me a headache due to this. Everyone needs to know that mixing the equipment MAY work but it has a high chance of failure. Anyone else thinking about this?

I wish I could agree 1000x.  It's really annoying that he makes these videos, and then people go scramble to the forum with cheap parts and then beg for help because it won't work. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain LACP to people on the forums and why they can't do it with their current rig. I love the constant "If I plug more cables in, the speed will increase, RIGHT?!??!"

[baseplate]

On 2/23/2016 at 4:41 PM, MrSuperb said:

Linus is not interested in proper guides, the same way Linus (with a few exceptions) never does real reviews ... there are tons of guides for almost everything out there already available. People watch LTT for their daily entertainment. All those "enterprise" videos are similar to those vlog-style videos people highly demanded.

For what it is worth Techquickie is the most technically accurate of their formats.

It's not the entertainment factor as much as the variety and the scope that LTT offers. Other YouTubers might do better reviews (lol, sorry), but as Luke said on the WAN show in the recap edition (I guess) is that hardware is kinda getting boring now, just small increaes in performance. So there are very few options to diversify into if you want to keep the edge over other YouTubers. 

Plus, watching Linus not having a clue or messing things up is so much fun.

[.:MARK:.]

And you know the vessel and youtube videos were replaced with ones that had correct subnetting

[Networking Wolf]

9 hours ago, Sunshine1868 said:

I wish I could agree 1000x.  It's really annoying that he makes these videos, and then people go scramble to the forum with cheap parts and then beg for help because it won't work. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain LACP to people on the forums and why they can't do it with their current rig. I love the constant "If I plug more cables in, the speed will increase, RIGHT?!??!"

I really hate this. I just got a phone call from a friend who say this video bought the part and now is trying to get it to work but it keeps crashing. Come to find out he bricked his system because the equipment was not compatible with his system board. Now he is wanting me to come over and try fixing it.

[Sunshine1868]

14 hours ago, Jstone said:

I really hate this. I just got a phone call from a friend who saw this video bought the part and now is trying to get it to work but it keeps crashing. Come to find out he bricked his system because the equipment was not compatible with his system board. Now he is wanting me to come over and try fixing it.

@nicklmg see? there is CLEARLY an issue. Yes, videos should be watched closely, but not everybody does that. As strange as it sounds, some viewers (even if they built their machines) aren't that tech savvy... 

 

I love LTT, you guys have created some extremely entertaining and educational content, but I think the time has come to understand that, for a lot of people, you guys are their education. I would venture to guess that many people have built custom PCs because of the LTT content; and you guys should be damn proud of that. However (and I'm sorry for the cliche) with great power comes great responsibility. You guys really ought to make sure people understand fully the implications, uses, drawbacks, and possible issues that these mods/suggestions can cause.

[Yoinkerman]

On 2/23/2016 at 3:37 AM, Jon Trollston said:

What's so bad about what they do? Just curious about what you have to say since my dad also thought they were crap and I disagreed so I'm simply curious as to what you think too. 

The issue is, as a person who deals with enterprise stuff regularly, is that they're not being clear about playing with fancy equipment they don't really have a huge need for.  Which is cool.  Everyone loves playing with fancy new equipment.  However not being clear about that is what makes us cringe.  Maybe it's due to the extremely short videos, maybe it's due to how they seem to be chasing a younger audience because that's where they're seeing significant growth.  Maybe it's some other reason.  I don't know.

[Sunshine1868]

28 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

The issue is, as a person who deals with enterprise stuff regularly, is that they're not being clear about playing with fancy equipment they don't really have a huge need for.  Which is cool.  Everyone loves playing with fancy new equipment.  However not being clear about that is what makes us cringe.  Maybe it's due to the extremely short videos, maybe it's due to how they seem to be chasing a younger audience because that's where they're seeing significant growth.  Maybe it's some other reason.  I don't know.

I also cringe. The misinformation/lack of detail makes me really upset because people can wind up hurting their machines and blowing their budgets for what is completely unnecessary.

[Oshino Shinobu]

I think most of these issues could be addressed (in part, at least), by just changing the titles and format of the videos to "we try to get 25km WiFi" and "trying out cheap 10GbE equipment", rather than "how to do xxxx". The recent videos regarding networking and server equipment are entertaining, but not what I'd call instructional or particularly helpful. 

 

[Nailzy]

As a technical architect that's been in the game for 12 years now - I agree that some of the info / guidance / idea's are way off with the enterprise / server video content ideas - but I still heavily enjoy watching them without getting stressed out. They are still entertaining none the less and I don't find Linus's attitude poor at all. All I would say is probably chuck a big bold disclaimer on these vids to say to viewers "come to the forums for advice before committing to any ideas / inspiration!"

[Sunshine1868]

3 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

I think most of these issues could be addressed (in part, at least), by just changing the titles and format of the videos to "we try to get 25km WiFi" and "trying out cheap 10GbE equipment", rather than "how to do xxxx". The recent videos regarding networking and server equipment are entertaining, but not what I'd call instructional or particularly helpful. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Nailzy said:

As a technical architect that's been in the game for 12 years now - I agree that some of the info / guidance / idea's are way off with the enterprise / server video content ideas - but I still heavily enjoy watching them without getting stressed out. They are still entertaining none the less and I don't find Linus's attitude poor at all. All I would say is probably chuck a big bold disclaimer on these vids to say to viewers "come to the forums for advice before committing to any ideas / inspiration!"

So basically we're gonna go with

a) stop the clickbait titles

and 

b) be VERY clear that this is not necessarily a solution for anyone, and is merely a fun hypothetical

 

^these are good solutions. well done @Oshino Shinobu and @Nailzy

[Oshino Shinobu]

Just now, Sunshine1868 said:

 

So basically we're gonna go with

a) stop the clickbait titles

and 

b) be VERY clear that this is not necessarily a solution for anyone, and is merely a fun hypothetical

 

^these are good solutions. well done @Oshino Shinobu and @Nailzy

Well... For some of the videos at least. Considering a significant amount of viewers are in their early teens (or at least, not in full time work), things like "increase your internet/network speed for cheap" are going to seem very enticing, causing people to waste their money on (old) server components that may not work, or not work properly with their system. Those are the sorts of videos that need to be made very clear that they are trying/playing around with the hardware and that it is not a complete "how to" video. 

For their $20,000 server equipment, not many people are going to go and buy that on a whim, and most people using that sort of equipment either know what they're doing, or hire a network specialist to set it up for them. So, for those sorts of videos, I don't think the format or titles are as important, seeing as they're going to be mostly entertainment rather than instructional. Still, it wouldn't hurt to make sure the networking and server videos were a bit more accurate and clear, even if its stupidly expensive equipment that very few people need. 

Also, haven't we seen their "network guy" (Johnny? I can't remember) in their recent videos? If he's an employee that specialises in networking, then getting him to have more input/present the networking videos seems like a good idea, like how Brandon has been doing videos regarding camera equipment. 

[LinusTech]

On 2/23/2016 at 4:10 AM, LoGiCalDrm said:

Not so much about components. Not anymore. Before they moved, it was also about them picking lower grade components for heavy industrial use.

 

Bigger issue is that they use buy stuff and have vague idea on how to install/use it. Starting from basics.

• Linus ordering wrong power adapter for UPS (moving vlogs). And then rather than ordering single cable from wall to UPS, he gets adapter to fit first adapter to UPS.
• Continuing with whole rendering server+vault etc. backup mess. I've been defending them against most obvious ragers, but I cry too.
• I won't even touch Whole Room Watercooling mess. Or issues with Mineral Oil PC.
• Linus building own router/modem/whatever and breaking several mobos, modding etc. because he was impatient.

Just some examples.

This is the only list I can find with any specific criticisms, so I guess I'll pick it out of the pack.

 

1. This is the kind of leaping to conclusions that makes me just not feel like responding to these "holier than thou" posts.. but I'll do it anyway. The power plugs for those UPSes are hardwired, and while I am perfectly capable of buying a duplex receptacle at Home Depot and swapping it out, it's a little outside my comfort zone since I've only done it a couple of times, and an adapter was a faster/cheaper option than bringing in an electrician in this case. Not only that, but as any server power expert would know, my servers - each hooked up to an individual UPS for longer run time - only draw about 250-550W under full load.. That's hardly going to be a problem for the adapter.

 

2. I guess you're right. We should just use USB hard drives connected to the editing stations.. or..? Most of the "advice" we've gotten about this stuff has been completely irrelevant because of costs (If I had a dollar for everyone who told us to do our backups to the cloud, maybe I could afford it) or technical reasons, and while we did have the scare with Whonnock - the timing of which was extremely unfortunate because I had a full system backup about 30% done when the RAID card crapped itself. We've grown extremely quickly over the last few years, and a solution that works great one day stops working as well the next. Not only that, but we didn't have any money and basically had to use whatever we could find lying around or that a sponsor would provide in the past. We're only now getting to the point where we can afford to do things "properly" with a multi-terabyte offsite backup.

 

3. Hard to address "I won't even touch".. but I'll try. Whole Room was always structured as a highly experimental vlog rather than a guide, and we ended up discovering and explaining the issues that prevented it from working correctly well enough that the only person (to my knowledge) who has ever tried to create anything similar managed to it successfully. Mission accomplished, I guess. As for the Mineral Oil PC, I can't really imagine what the issue is there.. We literally used a kit. 

 

4. More assumptions. This time about why the motherboards were dying. I can tell you it has nothing to do with what most people think was killing them. Seems to have been related to incorrect mounting pressure (for some reason) on the CPU cooler I was using. Has nothing to do with cutting a small piece of plastic off the speakers (seriously.. can't believe how many people thought that was an issue) or cutting the CPU cooler's backplate (this was covered with 2 layers of electrician's tape to prevent shorting - and it wasn't penetrated, which I can easily check after the fact).

 

And to address "the clickbait titles". Yes, we're using titles that are more clickable, but they are not inaccurate. 10x your network speed is exactly what that video shows you how to do. I even address that "network" =/= "Internet" in the first minute of the video. So.........

 

Yes, we're not perfect. I'd love to do longer videos with a deeper explanation of why I'm doing exactly what I'm doing, but frankly there are LOTS of boring technical videos out there of a bearded white dude explaining some capacitor or whatever. If that's what you want, you don't need to get it from me. 

 

 I know we make mistakes sometimes, but we don't hide them, and we work to fix them. The 10x network speed, which I'm taking a lot of heat for in this thread is actually a great example of this. I gave Johny shit for being sloppy when I had explicitly asked him multiple times to make sure he was following the best practices for IP assignments and we got both Vessel and YouTube versions fixed.

 

This'll be my final word on this cuz I've got other stuff to do today. 

[Sunshine1868]

5 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

 

And to address "the clickbait titles". Yes, we're using titles that are more clickable, but they are not inaccurate. 10x your network speed is exactly what that video shows you how to do. I even address that "network" =/= "Internet" in the first minute of the video. So.........

 

That video shows how to connect 2 computers together, not "your network". (Yes I am aware that 2 direct connected computers constitutes a "network", but do you honestly think thats what people wanted when they clicked it?)

[Sunshine1868]

8 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

Yes, we're not perfect. I'd love to do longer videos with a deeper explanation of why I'm doing exactly what I'm doing, but frankly there are LOTS of boring technical videos out there of a bearded white dude explaining some capacitor or whatever. If that's what you want, you don't need to get it from me. 

I don't think people want to watch a beard talk about capacitors; we would appreciate a little more effort though when it comes to things like the "network speed" content. Maybe have Johnny do the networking videos in the same way that Brandon does the camera videos and Taran does the robotics/toy stuff.  maybe explain the "why" a little bit as well. so, for example, in building a storage server say "we are using RAID 1 over raid 0 because we value redundancy over performance. if you don't understand what these are, check out *this* video blah blah blah..."

or "we just wanted to goof around with higher transfer speeds so we are gonna mess around with old enterprise networking solutions, this is not going to make your CSGO run any better, its simply a fun test in our office"

 

just things like that may help people out. 

[Guest]

People!

 

Stop complaining.

 

Linus makes videos about stuff he finds genuinely interesting.

 

When he stops doing that, the personality & quality of the videos will go down dramatically, and so will the view counts.

 

Stop complaining. If you don't like the videos, THEN STOP WATCHING THEM.

[Sunshine1868]

1 minute ago, MagnesiumPC said:

People!

 

Stop complaining.

 

Linus makes videos about stuff he finds genuinely interesting.

 

When he stops doing that, the personality & quality of the videos will go down dramatically, and so will the view counts.

 

Stop complaining. If you don't like the videos, THEN STOP WATCHING THEM.

The problem is that we love the videos, but we don't like how it negatively affects users who blindly follow it and come here for help when they break something

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Sunshine1868 said:

The problem is that we love the videos, but we don't like how it negatively affects users who blindly follow it and come here for help when they break something

Do not follow linus strictly for tutorials.

 

Follow a CompTIA certified individual (such as Carey Holzman) for tutorials.

 

Follow Linus for interesting devices and content.

[Sunshine1868]

3 minutes ago, MagnesiumPC said:

Do not follow linus strictly for tutorials.

 

Follow a CompTIA certified individual (such as Carey Holzman) for tutorials.

 

Follow Linus for interesting devices and content.

I hope people see this and follow that. I'm just so tired of the threads about "more cables means more internets?!?!"

[Cubbitt]

Nothing can be 100% correct, they aren't scientist conducting precisely controlled experiments. They do the best that they can do and know to do with retrospect to their needs, situation, and circumstances. That being said there are also always going to always be people who misunderstand, overthink, or underthink something. No matter what kind of content they put out there the same type of issues you're referring to would come up regardless.   

[.:MARK:.]

3 hours ago, LinusTech said:

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Honestly while I don't like the way you do the infrastructure in your company, it's none of my concern and I don't care. But when I saw the 10Gbit video where you tell the audience to set the NIC settings to be public IPs and different subnets, I realised that the video was done without much research. I mean you blame the network guy, but you made and presented the video, why would you make an instructional video on a subject you don't understand?

[Dyelon21]

On 2/23/2016 at 5:41 AM, .:MARK:. said:

 

I really don't see the problem or why you're so upset about it. Linus never claimed in any of those videos for this to be a "by the book" guide or anything. It's a video on youtube. It is not (and never claimed to be) a professional guide on increasing transfer speeds between to different systems, if you think it should be you are probably watching the wrong video.

[beavo451]

1 hour ago, .:MARK:. said:

Honestly while I don't like the way you do the infrastructure in your company, it's none of my concern and I don't care. But when I saw the 10Gbit video where you tell the audience to set the NIC settings to be public IPs and different subnets, I realised that the video was done without much research. I mean you blame the network guy, but you made and presented the video, why would you make an instructional video on a subject you don't understand?

Which video and timecode for that?

 

3 hours ago, Sunshine1868 said:

The problem is that we love the videos, but we don't like how it negatively affects users who blindly follow it and come here for help when they break something

Darwin at work.

[nullbot]

I agree totally, 

even though I actually subscribed to the channel when I saw a video better explaining NASes(?), which I eventually convinced my company to purchase, and when we finally get the thing completely set up, then it will improve our workflow dramatically