Best 970

[scruffies]

ftw 970.

[angrymoose]

I'm a little amazed that you're caving so close to the end of the line.

 

If you haven't ordered it yet... don't do it. You're just going to be mad at yourself when you see that the new ones cost the same and do more.

[App4that]

I'm a little amazed that you're caving so close to the end of the line.

If you haven't ordered it yet... don't do it. You're just going to be mad at yourself when you see that the new ones cost the same and do more.

Thing is I'm not an average gamer. I'm still playing Skyrim, and just a month ago Fallout New Vegas. The last MMO I played I had over a month of play time in, I play the hell out of games.

And the 970 is still technically newer than my current 290, but that's not the reason. I'm about to quit gaming because all I do is fight problems. I for some unknown reason really like the same games as Nvidia. All of them are Gameworks and all of them run like shit. I really wanted to get JC3, even though it's a shit port I had a blast with JC2. But it runs like ass on AND. So I'm pushed in a corner. Quit gaming until the next series of GPUs, or get a 970 so I can enjoy it again.

[VagabondWraith]

Thing is I'm not an average gamer. I'm still playing Skyrim, and just a month ago Fallout New Vegas. The last MMO I played I had over a month of play time in, I play the hell out of games.

And the 970 is still technically newer than my current 290, but that's not the reason. I'm about to quit gaming because all I do is fight problems. I for some unknown reason really like the same games as Nvidia. All of them are Gameworks and all of them run like shit. I really wanted to get JC3, even though it's a shit port I had a blast with JC2. But it runs like ass on AND. So I'm pushed in a corner. Quit gaming until the next series of GPUs, or get a 970 so I can enjoy it again.

Jc3 runs great on my card. It's a very good port. At least for nVidia.

[angrymoose]

Thing is I'm not an average gamer. I'm still playing Skyrim, and just a month ago Fallout New Vegas. The last MMO I played I had over a month of play time in, I play the hell out of games.

And the 970 is still technically newer than my current 290, but that's not the reason. I'm about to quit gaming because all I do is fight problems. I for some unknown reason really like the same games as Nvidia. All of them are Gameworks and all of them run like shit. I really wanted to get JC3, even though it's a shit port I had a blast with JC2. But it runs like ass on AND. So I'm pushed in a corner. Quit gaming until the next series of GPUs, or get a 970 so I can enjoy it again.

Skyrim runs fine on my 7970. Fallout 4 was more than playable, finished it without too much griping. Witcher 3 runs really well too with hairworks off and sbao instead of hbao+. Still looks beautiful.

The thing about gameworks is that it doesn't run magically perfect on nvidia hardware. It runs "less worse". It definitely gains frames on a 970 over a 290 because they are both middle of the range to lower high end type cards now, and the nvidia model handles tessellation a fair bit better. Gameworks games run great on a 980 Ti, because the thing is an absolute monster. It eats pixels for lunch. AND it's better at tessellation than its competition the Fury X.

Anyhow, you're a grown man you can make your own decisions. I think if you stop dwelling so much on graphics settings you'll do just fine until pascal and ai release. I would hate to see you buy a 970, then the 1070 releases for the exact same price or maybe $50 more and offers 30-60 percent more performance and likely 6+ gb of VRAM (none of which is .5gb offered at an ultra slow rate of speed). Suddenly your 970 is worth half what you paid or less, and you end up upgrading regardless.

[App4that]

Skyrim runs fine on my 7970. Fallout 4 was more than playable, finished it without too much griping. Witcher 3 runs really well too with hairworks off and sbao instead of hbao+. Still looks beautiful.

The thing about gameworks is that it doesn't run magically perfect on nvidia hardware. It runs "less worse". It definitely gains frames on a 970 over a 290 because they are both middle of the range to lower high end type cards now, and the nvidia model handles tessellation a fair bit better. Gameworks games run great on a 980 Ti, because the thing is an absolute monster. It eats pixels for lunch. AND it's better at tessellation than its competition the Fury X.

Anyhow, you're a grown man you can make your own decisions. I think if you stop dwelling so much on graphics settings you'll do just fine until pascal and ai release. I would hate to see you buy a 970, then the 1070 releases for the exact same price or maybe $50 more and offers 30-60 percent more performance and likely 6+ gb of VRAM (none of which is .5gb offered at an ultra slow rate of speed). Suddenly your 970 is worth half what you paid or less, and you end up upgrading regardless.

Polaris announced yesterday and it just about lower power consumption. Though if anything worries me on the 970 it's the VRAM. If I had the extra hundred bucks I'd pop on a 980 worry free. Which is why today's task is trying to scratch up that hundred bucks lol.

But yeah, not worried about the 1070, I just bought my monitors so I'll be at 1080 for years. The next generation of cards are meant for higher.

[Nena Trinity]

EVGA & MSI are both solid picks so I think go for best colour?  (if its looks does not matter then EVGA because customer support!)

[App4that]

EVGA & MSI are both solid picks so I think go for best colour? (if its looks does not matter then EVGA because customer support!)

The MSI 100m is back for sale on the 8th. That and the FTW+ are the front runners.

That's if I don't chicken out and wait for the 980.

[angrymoose]

Polaris announced yesterday and it just about lower power consumption.

Negative my friend, they only showed off the power consumption. The biggest issue AMD has had vs Maxwell architecture is performance per watt. In short, they've sucked at it. Their demo was likely run on a "460" or "470". They will still be releasing a 490 mid 2016, just as nvidia will release both a 1070 and 1080.

AMD isn't going to show off actual performance numbers this early, nor would nvidia.

[App4that]

Negative my friend, they only showed off the power consumption. The biggest issue AMD has had vs Maxwell architecture is performance per watt. In short, they've sucked at it. Their demo was likely run on a "460" or "470". They will still be releasing a 490 mid 2016, just as nvidia will release both a 1070 and 1080.

AMD isn't going to show off actual performance numbers this early, nor would nvidia.

No, as in for battery life. Polaris is launching as a mobile platform, not desktop.

 

Both companies have their sights on 1440 and above, look at the performance of the Fury vs the 390x. The 390x beats the Fury in many games at 1080p. Bigger isn't always better. Same goes for newer and more expensive. At 1080p there is little hope for any meaningful improvement. At the same price point that is.

[angrymoose]

No, as in for battery life. Polaris is launching as a mobile platform, not desktop.

 

Both companies have their sights on 1440 and above, look at the performance of the Fury vs the 390x. The 390x beats the Fury in many games at 1080p. Bigger isn't always better. Same goes for newer and more expensive. At 1080p there is little hope for any meaningful improvement. At the same price point that is.

Polaris is just the name for 4th generation GCN. You'll see when nvidia and AMD both release press kits for their desktop lines. All of the cards, amd and nvidia will feature a solid perf per watt increase. It'll be huge on AMD cards because of how poorly they've done in that category before, whereas nvidia's maxwell did perf per watt really really well.

[App4that]

Polaris is just the name for 4th generation GCN. You'll see when nvidia and AMD both release press kits for their desktop lines. All of the cards, amd and nvidia will feature a solid perf per watt increase. It'll be huge on AMD cards because of how poorly they've done in that category before, whereas nvidia's maxwell did perf per watt really really well.

Yeah, Polaris will filter into the desktop but AMD would be foolish to do so quickly. My guess is some lower end cards by Christmas.

[angrymoose]

Yeah, Polaris will filter into the desktop but AMD would be foolish to do so quickly. My guess is some lower end cards by Christmas.

I like you, and I like a lot of your posts, but when you see an AMD card faster than a Fury X get released in summer or fall, I'm going to remind you about this and tease you about it.

[App4that]

I like you, and I like a lot of your posts, but when you see an AMD card faster than a Fury X get released in summer or fall, I'm going to remind you about this and tease you about it.

Oh I know for a fact one will, the Furyx x2 :lol: . It's going to take some time before I'm willing to invest in AMD again. They rely on peak fps to give them the average fps needed to beat team green. Which is completely fine and I understand the appeal. I'm much more worried about stability, and the gap between min and max fps than if one gets and average 2-5 fps more than the other. I'm salty, like pork salty with AMD. Doesn't mean there aren't some excellent AMD cards that are a great fit for a majority of gamers, and that they don't have some exciting things in the works. I can't wait for Polaris to hit so that the laptop market is stimulated. 

 

But, it will take AMD taking their driver support seriously to win me back, and nothing less than that. I was going to try and run the beta driver for Crimson to give my 290 one last chance to stay in the case, and I read this.

 

Quoted from AMD's site in the Beta description. In resolved issues.

 

"[82645] Fallout 4 - The compass may flicker during gameplay on AMD Radeon R9 390 series products. We continue to investigate the issue with AMD Radeon R9 290 and AMD Radeon R9 295X2 series products"

 

Translation, "hey App, fuck you" :rolleyes:

[Qwerty2323]

The differnce mainly is in noise as much as I read evga is kinda makes dam a lot noise

[TheRandomness]

Evga Hybrids are dumb af. They slap on a horrible ASIC quality gpu and try to compensate with a AIO cooler on it. Hoping that you don't look past the sexy cooler.

 

The FTW are the best 970 imo, I see a lot more of those easily hitting 1600mhz overclocks

According to the GPU-z ASIC reader lower quality GPUs get higher overclocks on water. Me thinks it's a typo...

[Br3tt96]

According to the GPU-z ASIC reader lower quality GPUs get higher overclocks on water. Me thinks it's a typo...

Yeah, the whole ASIC quality thing is dumb. Cause lower asic quality cards still suck balls. 

[TheRandomness]

Yeah, the whole ASIC quality thing is dumb. Cause lower asic quality cards still suck balls. 

Yet tfw a 68% 290 gets 1325 on core at stock volts (was probably glitchy Trixx :c) wasn't stable either but was at 1275.... Never again and sadly no proof... D:

[App4that]

The differnce mainly is in noise as much as I read evga is kinda makes dam a lot noise

Definitely a consideration but I actually hadn't heard that of EVGA. I'll look into that thanks.

[angrymoose]

Oh I know for a fact one will, the Furyx x2 :lol: . It's going to take some time before I'm willing to invest in AMD again. They rely on peak fps to give them the average fps needed to beat team green. Which is completely fine and I understand the appeal. I'm much more worried about stability, and the gap between min and max fps than if one gets and average 2-5 fps more than the other. I'm salty, like pork salty with AMD. Doesn't mean there aren't some excellent AMD cards that are a great fit for a majority of gamers, and that they don't have some exciting things in the works. I can't wait for Polaris to hit so that the laptop market is stimulated. 

 

But, it will take AMD taking their driver support seriously to win me back, and nothing less than that. I was going to try and run the beta driver for Crimson to give my 290 one last chance to stay in the case, and I read this.

 

Quoted from AMD's site in the Beta description. In resolved issues.

 

"[82645] Fallout 4 - The compass may flicker during gameplay on AMD Radeon R9 390 series products. We continue to investigate the issue with AMD Radeon R9 290 and AMD Radeon R9 295X2 series products"

 

Translation, "hey App, fuck you" :rolleyes:

 

The FuryX2 will debut before the 490, and it'll remain the fastest overall when CF is enabled, but the 490 will be the fastest single GPU from AMD at the time (unless they debut with a new AI version of the Fury, which is unlikely as it's a very large die chip). As for "they rely on peak FPS", what you're talking about is an architecture argument, and that's changing too. You wouldn't call out nvidia for Kepler or Fermi issues that Maxwell and likely Pascal won't have.

 

 

Anyhow this isn't really about AMD vs nvidia, nvidia's cards will hit the market around the same time. I'm just saying save your pennies. The 1070 will be a great upgrade from a 290 or a 970, and it'll have none of the shortcomings that the 970 has (namely the 3.5gb VRAM). 

[App4that]

The FuryX2 will debut before the 490, and it'll remain the fastest overall when CF is enabled, but the 490 will be the fastest single GPU from AMD at the time (unless they debut with a new AI version of the Fury, which is unlikely as it's a very large die chip). As for "they rely on peak FPS", what you're talking about is an architecture argument, and that's changing too. You wouldn't call out nvidia for Kepler or Fermi issues that Maxwell and likely Pascal won't have.

Anyhow this isn't really about AMD vs nvidia, nvidia's cards will hit the market around the same time. I'm just saying save your pennies. The 1070 will be a great upgrade from a 290 or a 970, and it'll have none of the shortcomings that the 970 has (namely the 3.5gb VRAM).

I definitely agree with the VRAM shortcoming. I know it gets sugar coated but games won't even see the .5g of VRAM that's on the box. And happily no longer a concern as I found the extra money I needed to jump to the 980.

Means waiting a week but that just gives me time to find the difference between it and the 980ti.