970 or 390

[don_svetlio]

Right now, for sure its a non issue. In the future, we'll see. People said 4GB was pointless a few years ago.

I remember people saying 2GB was more than enough for 1440p and that the 3GB on the 7970 was useless vs the 680. Who's laughing now?

[Tomasu]

If anyone is willing to send me their 970, I can test against my new 390! (I wont get it for a few days unfortunately, picked ground shipping and it was sent from across the country, ugh)

 

I'll also test every few months on new games and see which games outperform the others and various settings and texture resolutions with 1-3+ monitors! 2-4K too if anyone wants to donate one of those too! 

 

 

:D :D

[Tomasu]

I remember people saying 2GB was more than enough for 1440p and that the 3GB on the 7970 was useless vs the 680. Who's laughing now?

I shal (mis?)quote a classic:

 

If you build it, they will come.

[App4that]

Right now, for sure its a non issue. In the future, we'll see. People said 4GB was pointless a few years ago.

4g is the VRAM needed to play modern games, and what you find on midrange to upper GPU's. That's the issue. Developers develop for what's out there. No developer is going to develop a game only 390 users can access. Never going to happen.

 

Now, if the next series of GPU has that memory available you have to use your crystal ball to guess if the 390 will be able to keep up.

[don_svetlio]

BTW - Nvidia selling TressFX. I am waiting for this to backfire
http://www.eteknix.com/rise-tomb-raider-will-bundled-nvidia-geforce-gpus/

[don_svetlio]

4g is the VRAM needed to play modern games, and what you find on midrange to upper GPU's. That's the issue. Developers develop for what's out there. No developer is going to develop a game only 390 users can access. Never going to happen.

 

Now, if the next series of GPU has that memory available you have to use your crystal ball to guess if the 390 will be able to keep up.

512MB was overkill 8 years ago.

A time will come with 3.5GB is unusable.

[Tomasu]

4g is the VRAM needed to play modern games, and what you find on midrange to upper GPU's. That's the issue. Developers develop for what's out there. No developer is going to develop a game only 390 users can access. Never going to happen.

 

Now, if the next series of GPU has that memory available you have to use your crystal ball to guess if the 390 will be able to keep up.

Indeed. This is what I'm saying. It's possible that the extra ram will help in the future. Maybe. If the actual horsepower doesn't become a serious bottleneck.

[App4that]

512MB was overkill 8 years ago.

A time will come with 3.5GB is unusable.

Yes, no one in their right mind would argue otherwise. But in 3 years when the 390's memory is taken advantage of will it be enough to compete? I think not. It's a rebadge. Both the 390 and 970 are on the edge of usefulness.

[Tomasu]

Yes, no one in their right mind would argue otherwise. But in 3 years when the 390's memory is taken advantage of will it be enough to compete? I think not. It's a rebadge. Both the 390 and 970 are on the edge of usefulness.

I think it entirely depends on the user and their choice of games... But yeah, It may just be in a few years the raw performance won't be there for even 1080p 60fps gaming (on low/med even). I sure hope not. But I like to dream ;D

[VagabondWraith]

When they have competition, they charge less, and advance faster. It's shown through history. when AMD puts out a new card that actually pushes up against or pases an nvidia card, we immediately get a new nvidia card that slots into the right place, or they make an existing one cheaper.

It's just a fact. Same goes with intel. competition is a good thing. no competition is a bad thing.

Companies are perfectly happy to rest on their laurels milking each product as long as they possibly can.

nVidia still charges a premium over AMD and people have and still show they are willing to pay said premium over a cheaper alternative. If AMD is gone nVidia is not going to charge $800 dollars dollars for a 970 because people simply won't buy them. If AMD is gone nVidia will retain status quo with their pricing. They're just not gonna skyrocket their prices $500 dollars across the board. They'd quickly be out of business if they did that. Intel has a monopoly and still charge a fair price for the performance you get.

[App4that]

I think it entirely depends on the user and their choice of games... But yeah, It may just be in a few years the raw performance won't be there for even 1080p 60fps gaming (on low/med even). I sure hope not. But I like to dream ;D

I look at games like Just Cause 3, a game that looks identical on the console as the 390 and 970. Both have issues with the game.

 

And "shit port" does not apply. A graphics card's job is to play the games you want to play, not to decide the games you get to play.

 

We're in a sucky time right now. High resolution monitors are too expensive, and the best investment GPU wise are those meant specifically for higher resolution monitors. The best investment BY FAR in my opinion is the Nitro Fury.

[Tomasu]

nVidia still charges a premium over AMD and people have and still show they are willing to pay said premium over a cheaper alternative. If AMD is gone nVidia is not going to charge $800 dollars dollars for a 970 because people simply won't buy them. If AMD is gone nVidia will retain status quo with their pricing. They're just not gonna skyrocket their prices $500 dollars across the board. They'd quickly be out of business if they did that. Intel has a monopoly and still charge a fair price for the performance you get.

I don't actually believe that. Prices can and do increase when competition is low or stops. Not only would prices increase, but nvidia would slow down. Like intel does when they have noone to push them.

 

 

I look at games like Just Cause 3, a game that looks identical on the console as the 390 and 970. Both have issues with the game.

 

And "shit port" does not apply. A graphics card's job is to play the games you want to play, not to decide the games you get to play.

 

We're in a sucky time right now. High resolution monitors are too expensive, and the best investment GPU wise are those meant specifically for higher resolution monitors. The best investment BY FAR in my opinion is the Nitro Fury.

A shit port I suppose doesn't apply, but a shit game does code a game badly, and it'll perform badly.

 

Nvidia and AMD have to patch their drivers to work around bad games all the time. It makes my blood boil. Why don't the game devs fix their shit? Cause noone makes them.

 

Course there are driver bugs too, but the majority of the driver "fixes" come down to games not being properly tested or optimized.

[App4that]

I don't actually believe that. Prices can and do increase when competition is low or stops. Not only would prices increase, but nvidia would slow down. Like intel does when they have noone to push them.

 

 

A shit port I suppose doesn't apply, but a shit game does code a game badly, and it'll perform badly.

 

Nvidia and AMD have to patch their drivers to work around bad games all the time. It makes my blood boil. Why don't the game devs fix their shit? Cause noone makes them.

 

Course there are driver bugs too, but the majority of the driver "fixes" come down to games not being properly tested or optimized.

You can't put all the blame on the developers. But I too grind my teeth at night because somehow a driver is too much to ask for. And when you finally get it, rather than fixing the game it makes it worse. Beyond frustrating.

[Tomasu]

You can't put all the blame on the developers. But I too grind my teeth at night because somehow a driver is too much to ask for. And when you finally get it, rather than fixing the game it makes it worse. Beyond frustrating.

Yeah, there are driver issues too. AMDs driver team has historically been pretty awful. Nvidia not too much better in some cases. Specially on mobile. fffff.

[don_svetlio]

Yeah, there are driver issues too. AMDs driver team has historically been pretty awful. Nvidia not too much better in some cases. Specially on mobile. fffff.

Can attest. One driver per year

[CoolBeans72]

Lol?

Because of nvidias virtual reality feature. Sorry for not stating. I thought a lot of people knew about it.

[don_svetlio]

Because of nvidias virtual reality feature. Sorry for not stating. I thought a lot of people knew about it.

GameFucks VR? That's quite late actually. AMD has had LiquidVR for close to a year now.

[ivan134]

Because of nvidias virtual reality feature. Sorry for not stating. I thought a lot of people knew about it.

Bruh, it' the other way around. AMD announced Liquid VR backk in March. Also this is from the horse's mouth who is working on Occulus:

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-oculus-connect-vr-amd-nvidia,27729.html

 

According to Tom Forsyth, Oculus VR's Software Architect, this is a new enhancement for Nvidia GPUs that is already available in AMD graphics cards. In fact, some of these optimizations can be found in current Xbox One and Sony PlayStation 4 platforms as part of their respective SDK. Why? Because they are based on AMD GPUs.

 

 

@App4that stop upvoting shit you don't know anything about because you've convinced yourself that other people are fanboys for calling out your BS.

[App4that]

Bruh, it' the other way around. AMD announced Liquid VR backk in March. Also this is from the horse's mouth who is working on Occulus:

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-oculus-connect-vr-amd-nvidia,27729.html

 

@App4that stop upvoting shit you don't know anything about because you've convinced yourself that other people are fanboys for calling out your BS.

:lol: I'll like what I'll like and you have no control over then. And that's why I liked it, they're standing up to this forums bull shit religious infatuation with AMD.

 

You can't stand anyone not fawning over AMD, that's why you spend so much time trying to control people.

[ivan134]

:lol: I'll like what I'll like and you have no control over then. And that's why I liked it, they're standing up to this forums bull shit religious infatuation with AMD.

 

You can't stand anyone not fawning over AMD, that's why you spend so much time trying to control people.

Wow, I must be a badass if I can control people. Also, apparently agreeing with things that aren't true = standing up to things you think are out to get you.

[App4that]

Wow, I must be a badass if I can control people. Also, apparently agreeing with things that aren't true = standing up to things you think are out to get you.

Why do people who want to control people always think they're in control :lol: ?

 

And you're on a PC message board sweetie, that means it's subjective. Which software suite is better is not up to you but the individual.

[ivan134]

Why do people who want to control people always think they're in control :lol: ?

 

And you're on a PC message board sweetie, that means it's subjective. Which software suite is better is not up to you but the individual.

I'm not even sure what that 1st sentence means.

 

Yes, even it means made up shit like "Nvidia is better for VR"

[NicekillBG]

guys chill

[no_clntrol]

970 for 1080p and better software.

[don_svetlio]

970 for 1080p and better software.

I'd digress. Most of the software is mirrored pretty much to the letter except Nvidia have the better OBS rip-off