FX 8350 blues

[pyr0]

I am upgrading my pc and recently had to downsize my budget. I was looking at the fx 8350 for gaming but then watched some videos comparing it to the i5 4460 and the 8350 got destroyed. When the 8350 gets much better cinebench scores and seems to be more powerful, why does the 4460 do so much better in gaming?

[Morgan MLGman]

Single-threaded performance of the 4460 is higher, that's why, however when you overclock the 8350 the difference is rather small in general. A couple of FPS in some games for the i5 on average, but there are games in which 8350 is gonna be ahead

[Guest HyppoCube]

single core performance and i guess floating point performance is better on intel

[incarnate]

I am upgrading my pc and recently had to downsize my budget. I was looking at the fx 8350 for gaming but then watched some videos comparing it to the i5 4460 and the 8350 got destroyed. When the 8350 gets much better cinebench scores and seems to be more powerful, why does the 4460 do so much better in gaming?

Because the 8350 was released in 2012. Also amd cpus have a lower number of instructions that it can handle per ghz. The result is much weaker single core performance, and most games only use about 4 cores.

More cores and high clock speeds don't mean anything.

What is your total budget, and what do you need to buy. We could probably come up with a build with a better cpu

[don_svetlio]

Modern games run fine. Old games usually have issues since those were coded for single-core CPUs.

[don_svetlio]

Because the 8350 was released in 2012. Also amd cpus have a lower number of instructions that it can handle per ghz. The result is much weaker single core performance, and most games only use about 4 cores.

More cores and high clock speeds don't mean anything.

What is your total budget, and what do you need to buy. We could probably come up with a build with a better cpu

It does mean a lot in modern games. Quite a few flat out refuse to run properly with a dual-core Pentium but run flawlessly on a much weaker FX4300. Modern games are starting to really make use of the FX8350's 8 modules thus it stacking up fairly nicely against an i5 4460.

[Morgan MLGman]

Because the 8350 was released in 2012. Also amd cpus have a lower number of instructions that it can handle per ghz. The result is much weaker single core performance, and most games only use about 4 cores.

Around 15-20% depending on the OC of the 8350 is not that much weaker. Also, the 8350 is 50-60% faster in multithreaded workloads so it depends to what the OP is going to use the PC

[Suika]

It does mean a lot in modern games. Quite a few flat out refuse to run properly with a dual-core Pentium but run flawlessly on a much weaker FX4300. Modern games are starting to really make use of the FX8350's 8 modules thus it stacking up fairly nicely against an i5 4460.

The 8350 might be becoming more relevant with newer triple-A titles, however it doesn't make any sense to recommend a component that can play some new games well and others shit, when another component of equal price plays all games well, if not better.

There is little to no reason to own an FX-8350 at this time.

[don_svetlio]

The 8350 might be becoming more relevant with newer triple-A titles, however it doesn't make any sense to recommend a component that can play some new games well and others shit, when another component of equal price plays all games well, if not better.

There is little to no reason to own an FX-8350 at this time.

If it's significantly cheaper why not? If it saves him 50$ on the board and 25$ on the CPU it makes next to no sense to go for a 4460 when you get the exact same performance for less money

[incarnate]

Around 15-20% depending on the OC of the 8350 is not that much weaker. Also, the 8350 is 50-60% faster in multithreaded workloads so it depends to what the OP is going to use the PC

The op asked why the 4460 was so much better than the 8350 in games, so multithreaded workloads don't really mean anything to that question. And yes the single core performance of the 4460 is much better (40% in cinebench single threaded)

And to get a decent oc on the 8350, it would need a decent board, which drives up the cost.

[Enderman]

games rely more on single thread performance than tons of threads

as long as you have enough threads to run the game properly (4 is recommended over just 2) 99% of the time more powerful threads will give you better performance over having 8 or 12 or 16 threads

[Morgan MLGman]

The op asked why the 4460 was so much better than the 8350 in games, so multithreaded workloads don't really mean anything to that question. And yes the single core performance of the 4460 is much better (40% in cinebench single threaded)

And to get a decent oc on the 8350, it would need a decent board, which drives up the cost.

With a very high OC, the 8350 has 16% slower single-threaded performance while having 61% multi-threaded one. Source: userbenchmark.com

Depending on a game, but the 4460 is not "so much better" for modern triple-a titles.

[Suika]

If it's significantly cheaper why not? If it saves him 50$ on the board and 25$ on the CPU it makes next to no sense to go for a 4460 when you get the exact same performance for less money

Pricing is probably different for you, because it's almost always cheaper to go Intel in the US.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($167.89 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.50 @ Micro Center) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $251.38

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.89 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $219.78

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-01 11:31 EST-0500

 

Pretty sure those two lists show the i5 as being the cheaper of the two.

[Lotus]

You should look into getting this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($183.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $263.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Then update the bios here to one that says "Support Sky OC"

http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z170%20Pro4S/index.asp?cat=Download&os=BIOS

 

And bam. Overclockable Skylake i5 on the super cheap.

 

If you're wondering why the FX-8350 does poorly in games it's because it lacks single-threaded performance. The architecture has really low IPC (instructions per clock) so it does less with each cycle. Clock speed is only comparable if the architecture is identical.

[incarnate]

With a very high OC, the 8350 has 16% slower single-threaded performance while having 61% multi-threaded one. Source: userbenchmark.com

Depending on a game, but the 4460 is not "so much better" for modern triple-a titles.

With a suicide oc maybe. But you'd need a board that costs 150+ to get there and did you even read the op's topic?

Besides getting a board that could handle a "very high oc" would drive the cost past the 4460+b85 or h97. So what's your point?

[Thedudely1]

With a very high OC, the 8350 has 16% slower single-threaded performance while having 61% multi-threaded one. Source: userbenchmark.com

Depending on a game, but the 4460 is not "so much better" for modern triple-a titles.

The up and coming DX12 and Vulcan APIs are much more efficient at utilizing CPUs. They are much more down to the metal, have better multi-thread support, and generally use your CPU a lot more efficiently and completely (If they are utilized correctly by the dev.) So I think in the near future, when games start to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan, the 8350 will out perform the i5.

[don_svetlio]

Pricing is probably different for you, because it's almost always cheaper to go Intel in the US.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($167.89 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.50 @ Micro Center) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $251.38

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-01 11:30 EST-0500

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.89 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $219.78

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-01 11:31 EST-0500

 

Pretty sure those two lists show the i5 as being the cheaper of the two.

Factor out the cooler since the stock one is pretty beefy and the board as the OP has one IIRC.

[Darel321]

wait for 3-4 months for the new fx zen, dont buy that old fx.. its a waste of money

[Morgan MLGman]

With a suicide oc maybe. But you'd need a board that costs 150+ to get there and did you even read the op's topic?

Besides getting a board that could handle a "very high oc" would drive the cost past the 4460+b85 or h97. So what's your point?

Okay, so with the average OC, which would probably be around 4,4-4,5ghz, that can be achieved on a cheap GA-970A-UD3 board the 4460 has 21% faster single-threaded performance while having 47% slower multi-threaded one. There are games in which the 8350 will outperform the 4460 due to it being more limited in overall power, so it depends on what OP is going to play and if there's anything heavy that he might need some more horsepower for

[Lotus]

...or you know get an overclockable Skylake i5 like I said and blow both the i5-4460 and FX-8350 out of the water for basically the same price.

[Morgan MLGman]

The up and coming DX12 and Vulcan APIs are much more efficient at utilizing CPUs. They are much more down to the metal, have better multi-thread support, and generally use your CPU a lot more efficiently and completely (If they are utilized correctly by the dev.) So I think in the near future, when games start to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan, the 8350 will out perform the i5.

We can't know that, all of the above is only speculation. It should help a little, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near being a gamechanger

[Lotus]

The up and coming DX12 and Vulcan APIs are much more efficient at utilizing CPUs. They are much more down to the metal, have better multi-thread support, and generally use your CPU a lot more efficiently and completely (If they are utilized correctly by the dev.) So I think in the near future, when games start to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan, the 8350 will out perform the i5.

Actually, all DX12 and Vulcan do is lower the performance hit of the draw call on the main thread. It's still up to the developer to properly implement multi-threaded support. It's not going to be as big of a game changer as you think.

 

What IS forcing proper multi-threaded support are the consoles. They're huge markets that developers are forced to code for and have multiple very weak cores.

[incarnate]

Okay, so with the average OC, which would probably be around 4,4-4,5ghz, that can be achieved on a cheap GA-970A-UD3 board the 4460 has 21% faster single-threaded performance while having 47% slower multi-threaded one. There are games in which the 8350 will outperform the 4460 due to it being more limited in overall power, so it depends on what OP is going to play and if there's anything heavy that he might need some more horsepower for

Link a source that says that a 10% oc translates into 20% more performance.

[Morgan MLGman]

Link a source that says that a 10% oc translates into 20% more performance.

Who said that? Re-read.

[incarnate]

Who said that? Re-read.

The 8350 is ~40% behind the 4460 at stock single threaded.

http://benchmarks-tests.com/cpu_processors/amd/fx/8350/amd_fx-8350_vs_intel_core_i5-4460/cinebench.php