Posted December 26, 2015 Would FX-8320@4Ghz bottleneck a R9 390? (Sapphire or XFX, if you're wondering) Thinking about upgrading from my R9 280, or should I get a SSD and upgrade RAM first? The parts I would get: RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2133Mhz SSD: HyperX Fury SSD 240GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Title. Thinking about upgrading from my R9 280, or should I get a SSD and upgrade RAM first? The parts I would get: RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2133Mhz SSD: HyperX Fury SSD 240GB Do you already have 8GB of RAM? If so get the SSD, it makes a massive difference PC is Intel Core i5 6400, GIgabyte H170 Gaming 3, Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x4GB 2400Mhz ,Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB, WD Blue 1TB, NZXT S340, ASUS Geforce GTX 960. Fractal Design Tesla R2 650W. http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/793XNG. Graphics card choices don't always have to be dictated on performance. If you want the game stream and power consumption of the GTX 970 get that. If you want raw performance of the R9 390 get that. In the end we are all gamers, so what if your buddy gets an extra 5 fps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author Do you already have 8GB of RAM? If so get the SSD, it makes a massive difference Yes, I do have 8GB. This is my PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/d4D3Mp But ignore the red fans, didn't buy those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Yes, I do have 8GB. This is my PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/d4D3Mp But ignore the red fans, didn't buy those. i used to own a FX 8320 myself. in most cases, NO in some games it will. Because the game itself will only use 2-4 cores, instead of all 8. In those games (mostly indy games and games made before 2013) it will drag you down. EDIT: I ran my FX at 4.52GHz with 2x HD 7950 (R9 280 in CF) and later on a R9 295x2 (2x R9 290X on the same card).... it bottlenecked the R9 295x2 noticably. But a single 290X would run just fine.... two of them would not... Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Yeah Get an SSD, I would get the 850 evo 250 gb if they are the same price. I am currently upgrading my render pc to a 840 evo 250 gb. Going to make a massive difference. Most complaints i get from people is "my pc is slow" 99% of the time an SSD fixes that problem permanently or until the rest of the system fails. Also the Ram is not going to make a difference as long as your doing extreme things like 50+ tabs open on 3 monitors while getting games and programs open in the background. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author Yeah Get an SSD, I would get the 850 evo 250 gb if they are the same price. I am currently upgrading my render pc to a 840 evo 250 gb. Going to make a massive difference. Most complaints i get from people is "my pc is slow" 99% of the time an SSD fixes that problem permanently or until the rest of the system fails. Also the Ram is not going to make a difference as long as your doing extreme things like 50+ tabs open on 3 monitors while getting games and programs open in the background. The SSD is currently on sale, for 75 Euros, it is actually 100 euros. Almost all 240/250GB SSD's in Sweden are 90-110 Euros, normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 i used to own a FX 8320 myself. in most cases, NO in some games it will. Because the game itself will only use 2-4 cores, instead of all 8. In those games (mostly indy games and games made before 2013) it will drag you down. I still have an 8350 as a render pc. And this is the best use of the 8 cores. In most games use only 4 cores. Some games will use 8 cores but not effectively. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $162.00)CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $36.00)Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (Purchased For $102.00)Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (Purchased For $96.00)Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $78.00)Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($328.99 @ NCIX US)Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $56.00)Power Supply: Fractal Design Tesla R2 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $86.00)Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan (Purchased For $11.00)Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan (Purchased For $11.00)Total: $1026.98Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 19:56 EST-0500 do this Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 I still have an 8350 as a render pc. And this is the best use of the 8 cores. In most games use only 4 cores. Some games will use 8 cores but not effectively. most AAA games released so far in 2015 can effectively use 6-8 cores. games made in 2013 and 2014 is a bit iffy, but will mostly handle 4-6 cores just fine. the 8320 is capable of 60FPS gaming. but 120-144FPS gaming is not going to happen unless you run everything at so low resolution that the GPU pushes the required pixels. For the CPU will not. Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 The SSD is currently on sale, for 75 Euros, it is actually 100 euros. Almost all 240/250GB SSD's in Sweden are 90-110 Euros, normally. Oh, then get the Hyper X SSD. They are both pretty good, I prefer the 850 evo but its not worth the price premium. It will make quite the difference in responsiveness. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Oh, then get the Hyper X SSD. They are both pretty good, I prefer the 850 evo but its not worth the price premium. It will make quite the difference in responsiveness. HyperX also has reputable NAND... Kingston only fucked around with their V300 series. Despite the HyperX brand being owned by Kingston, they didnt fuck around with those SSDs Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 most AAA games released so far in 2015 can effectively use 6-8 cores. games made in 2013 and 2014 is a bit iffy, but will mostly handle 4-6 cores just fine. the 8320 is capable of 60FPS gaming. but 120-144FPS gaming is not going to happen unless you run everything at so low resolution that the GPU pushes the required pixels. For the CPU will not. Ah, games have come a long way then. I upgraded in 2014 because of my Crossfire setup. 8350 @4.8 ghz could not push enough info the both GPUs and will cause massive frame drops. CPU latency will spike to 250 ms every few seconds. (Battlefield 4) Another big issue I had with the 8350 was the dreaded arma 3 FPS. While some of it is server bound, the 8350 will run in the mid 20 fps and the 4790k will run it in mid 40 fps. Could be more optimization now. But the 8350 is starting to get outdated. Surpisingly enough the 8350 costs exactly the same now as it did 3 years ago. (shocking) Well actually its $10 cheaper. Correction 2.5 years ago. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 I'm guna have to say go with the SSD, great time to buy one. I payed $111 for my 840 Pro 2 years ago now (wow just realized that) for 128GB. Your R9 280 should be more than fine so I would say stick with that for now. A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist. Core 4 Quad Not Extreme, only available on LGA 557 at your local Circuit City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 HyperX also has reputable NAND... Kingston only fucked around with their V300 series. Despite the HyperX brand being owned by Kingston, they didnt fuck around with those SSDs Yeah the first version of the V300 was actually pretty good until they did that controller swap. Which lowered performance down. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Ah, games have come a long way then. I upgraded in 2014 because of my Crossfire setup. 8350 @4.8 ghz could not push enough info the both GPUs and will cause massive frame drops. CPU latency will spike to 250 ms every few seconds. (Battlefield 4) Another big issue I had with the 8350 was the dreaded arma 3 FPS. While some of it is server bound, the 8350 will run in the mid 20 fps and the 4790k will run it in mid 40 fps. Could be more optimization now. But the 8350 is starting to get outdated. Surpisingly enough the 8350 costs exactly the same now as it did 3 years ago. (shocking) Well actually its $10 cheaper. Correction 2.5 years ago. arma3 issues was mostly arma3 issues. that is a FX 6300 vs a i3 4130 https://youtu.be/UEIRYS0xMZk?t=362 Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Would FX-8320@4Ghz bottleneck a R9 390? (Sapphire or XFX, if you're wondering) Thinking about upgrading from my R9 280, or should I get a SSD and upgrade RAM first? The parts I would get: RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB 2133Mhz SSD: HyperX Fury SSD 240GB It should be fine, it will not bottleneck a single GPU solution unless your trying to push over 60 fps. And Crossfire or sli should not be considered. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 It should be fine, it will not bottleneck a single GPU solution unless your trying to push over 60 fps. And Crossfire or sli should not be considered. it should be fine in newer titles with CF... any AAA game made in 2015 supports 6+ cores. And in those games it should handle multiple GPUs just OK (like i said earlier, i ran a 8320 @ 4.52GHz with 2x 290X... yes it bottlenecked, but it was playable around 38-45FPS in Witcher 3 with ultra settings) 2x R9 390 is weaker then a 295x2 (dual 290X with mild OC)... so even 390 in CF should be OK.... it will bottleneck, but it shouldnt bottleneck hard enough to make you "miss" the 60FPS mark Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 it should be fine in newer titles with CF... any AAA game made in 2015 supports 6+ cores. And in those games it should handle multiple GPUs just OK (like i said earlier, i ran a 8320 @ 4.52GHz with 2x 290X... yes it bottlenecked, but it was playable around 38-45FPS in Witcher 3 with ultra settings) 2x R9 390 is weaker then a 295x2 (dual 290X with mild OC)... so even 390 in CF should be OK.... it will bottleneck, but it shouldnt bottleneck hard enough to make you "miss" the 60FPS mark I will not miss the 60 Fps but the micro stuttering and the Frame stuttering, might be an issue. DX 12 should fix many of those issues. I am not sure about newer games though. [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author I will not miss the 60 Fps but the micro stuttering and the Frame stuttering, might be an issue. DX 12 should fix many of those issues. I am not sure about newer games though. About that, when is DX12 coming out? That's the main reason I got a FX-8320 instead of a i5-4460, kinda wish I gone with the i5 but that would mean a decent MOBO, nothing fancy, just something that works for the i5. If I were to upgrade my CPU from a i5, I would've had to upgrade that as well. Wasn't DX12 supposed to come out a while ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Yes, I do have 8GB. This is my PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/d4D3Mp But ignore the red fans, didn't buy those. I see you got the M5A97 R2.0 MBO.. I'm thinking about buying it.. how is it doing? CPU & COOLER - INTEL i9 12900K | NZXT KRAKEN X62 MBO - MSI Z690 EDGE GPU - ASUS GEFORCE RTX 3080 TUF RAM - 2x16GB KINGSTON FURY 3200MHZ PSU - PHANTEKS REVOLT PRO 1000W 80 PLUS GOLD SSD #1 - CORSAIR SN850 1TB SSD #2 - CORSAIR SN850X 4TB SSD #3 - INTEL 660p 2TB CASE - PHANTEKS ECLIPSE P500A D-RGB MOUSE #1 - LOGITECH G502 X Wireless KEYBOARD - AKKO 5108B PLUS SPEAKERS - SVS PB-1000 + 2x ADAM A3X HEADSET #1 - SENNHEISER IE-300 HEADSET #2 - FOSTEX TR-X00 PURPLEHREART AMP/DAC - MAYFLOWER ARC OS - WINDOWS 10 PRO DISPLAY 1 - LG OLED42C2 DISPLAY 2 - XIAOMI 2K GAMING PHONE - SAMSUNG GALAXY S23+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author I see you got the M5A97 R2.0 MBO.. I'm thinking about buying it.. how is it doing? I haven't had any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 About that, when is DX12 coming out? That's the main reason I got a FX-8320 instead of a i5-4460, kinda wish I gone with the i5 but that would mean a decent MOBO, nothing fancy, just something that works for the i5. If I were to upgrade my CPU from a i5, I would've had to upgrade that as well. Wasn't DX12 supposed to come out a while ago? Yes DX 12 has technically come out with windows 8 I believe but not many game devs have supported dx 12 yet. One big dev that is supporting DX 12 Is Bahama interactive, Aka the creators of Arma 3. This should really improve the frame rate. As this game is more CPU bound and DX 12 reduces the CPU overhead. By up to 50% [CPU] i7 4790K OC [CPU Cooler] H100i [GPU] Evga GTX 980 SuperClocked [Ram] Corsair Vengeance 16 GB 1866 mhz [PSU] Cooler Master 1000w Silent Pro [storage] 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, 1TB Seagate SSHD, 1 TB WD Blue 4 TB Seagate Nas. [Motherboard] Msi Z97 Gaming 5 [Case] Phantom 410 Red [sound] Onboard ALC 1150 [Headphones] Sennheiser HD 558 [Keyboard] Razer BlackWidow Chroma [Mouse] Razer Deathadder Chroma [Mouse] Razer FireFly [Monitor] Asus MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author Yes DX 12 has technically come out with windows 8 I believe but not many game devs have supported dx 12 yet. One big dev that is supporting DX 12 Is Bahama interactive, Aka the creators of Arma 3. This should really improve the frame rate. As this game is more CPU bound and DX 12 reduces the CPU overhead. By up to 50% ARK was supposed to support it in September, one of the reasons I have stopped playing it now. It is literally unplayable. Used to be able to play with everything on high @30FPS and now, everything on low I get like 20FPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 It'd be alright for the most part. You'd still gain FPS in games even if you aren't getting the full potential. There are some games like ARMA that will just run like poop though. LGA775 Overclocking Guide - LGA771 to LGA 775 mod - Rigs in spoiler - Subzero Overclocker - HWBOT - Sandybridge-E Frequency WR Holder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 26, 2015 Author Yeah Get an SSD, I would get the 850 evo 250 gb if they are the same price. I am currently upgrading my render pc to a 840 evo 250 gb. Going to make a massive difference. Most complaints i get from people is "my pc is slow" 99% of the time an SSD fixes that problem permanently or until the rest of the system fails. Also the Ram is not going to make a difference as long as your doing extreme things like 50+ tabs open on 3 monitors while getting games and programs open in the background. Just ordered the SSD, gonna reset my PC and clean everything in my HDD as well. Might as well also clean my fans when I'm installing my SSD, you don't want to see the front of my PC, it is literally a massive grey patch of dust because I'm fucking lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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