Bottlenecking questions.

[velocilobsterr]

So I'm going to be buying new parts for my build around christmas and in my build I have a MSI R9 Radeon 390 with a Intel i5 4690 3.5 Ghz Quad Core Processor. Will there be any bottlenecking?

[Fate]

There will be no bottlenecking. 

[Juanse]

No

[JerkyMcDilerino]

No sobernecking.

[ANewFace]

Nope

[Nena Trinity]

Probably not! 

[App4that]

There will be no bottlenecking. 

 

No

 

Nope

 

Probably not! 

Not true at all. In games that are CPU heavy you will see a bottleneck, along with benchmarks like Firestrike.

 

Prime example of a bottle neck caused by the 4690 (4690k at stock clock) right here. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

[das affe]

Not true at all. In games that are CPU heavy you will see a bottleneck, along with benchmarks like Firestrike.

 

Prime example of a bottle neck caused by the 4690 (4690k at stock clock) right here. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

but it is a titan x and fall out 4 does not run very good anyways... 

I am running a xeon 1231v3 and a gtx 980 at 1440p. ultra gets in the mid 40s from time to time.

[App4that]

but it is a titan x and fall out 4 does not run very good anyways... 

I am running a xeon 1231v3 and a gtx 980 at 1440p. ultra gets in the mid 40s from time to time.

Piss poor excuse. "stop moving so I can hit you" Sounds shitty but games are shit, so you have to plan for shit. Fact is faster ram and a more powerful CPU or one with multiple cores run the game better. Better is better no matter how you got there. They used that Titan so as to show where the other components caused a bottleneck, a 390 suffers from a bottleneck when using ram at 1600MHz and a 4690 (even a K). A quick look at my specs will show you I'm speaking from experience as well.

[velocilobsterr]

Piss poor excuse. "stop moving so I can hit you" Sounds shitty but games are shit, so you have to plan for shit. Fact is faster ram and a more powerful CPU or one with multiple cores run the game better. Better is better no matter how you got there. They used that Titan so as to show where the other components caused a bottleneck, a 390 suffers from a bottleneck when using ram at 1600MHz and a 4690 (even a K). A quick look at my specs will show you I'm speaking from experience as well.

Wow, I'm confused now ;-;

[App4that]

Wow, I'm confused now ;-;

Don't be, just know that your CPU will cause a bottle neck if you use settings that effect the CPU more than the GPU like shadows. That's all you need to know.

[Nena Trinity]

Not true at all. In games that are CPU heavy you will see a bottleneck, along with benchmarks like Firestrike.

 

Prime example of a bottle neck caused by the 4690 (4690k at stock clock) right here. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

Maybe not but if its at a 60HZ monitor with V-sync no one will ever notice!

[App4that]

Maybe not but if its at a 60HZ monitor with V-sync no one will ever notice!

Bull shit lol, turn the shadows in Fallout 4 to ultra distance or run Firestrike in crossfire and see your score chopped off at the knees by the physics score and get back to me

[BrightCandle]

The problem is that everyone has boiled down the bottleneck terminology now and its so widely misunderstood that its downright impossible to just say yes or no, its much much more complicated than that. Some games are just more CPU driven than others, its just how the games are written. Even if you bought a 6700k and overclocked it to 5Ghz you would still get CPU bottlenecks in some games its just the way they are written. The real question you wanted to ask is whether your CPU was appropriate performance level for the given GPU and the answer to that is yes. You aren't creating a machine that is unbalanced.

[App4that]

The problem is that everyone has boiled down the bottleneck terminology now and its so widely misunderstood that its downright impossible to just say yes or no, its much much more complicated than that. Some games are just more CPU driven than others, its just how the games are written. Even if you bought a 6700k and overclocked it to 5Ghz you would still get CPU bottlenecks in some games its just the way they are written. The real question you wanted to ask is whether your CPU was appropriate performance level for the given GPU and the answer to that is yes. You aren't creating a machine that is unbalanced.

You started out saying the right thing, then nose dived into noville. It depends on the game and what you're doing, but I'll tell you as someone with a 4690k and a 390 the CPU is the bottleneck and its not balanced. My CPU limits me, the 390 never has.

[BrightCandle]

You started out saying the right thing, then nose dived into noville. It depends on the game and what you're doing, but I'll tell you as someone with a 4690k and a 390 the CPU is the bottleneck and its not balanced. My CPU limits me, the 390 never has.

I disagree, its within margin. There are plenty of people running 980ti's on Sandy Bridge 2500k's for example and don't really suffer for it in the grand majority of games. Some games however its less than optimal. I don't consider a modern high end Haswell i5 to be anything but an excellent CPU for gaming, there is better out there sure but its also only a single 390.

[App4that]

I disagree, its within margin. There are plenty of people running 980ti's on Sandy Bridge 2500k's for example and don't really suffer for it in the grand majority of games. Some games however its less than optimal. I don't consider a modern high end Haswell i5 to be anything but an excellent CPU for gaming, there is better out there sure but its also only a single 390.

Again, if the discussion is about balance you don't look at where it works, you look to where it fails. The 4690k fails in Firestrike, it fails in Witcher 3, it fails in Fallout 4. The 390 never fails. It always hits the limit of the 4690k way before it ever does. That's not balanced. The 4690 is a great CPU, that's not the discussion.

[DGaming]

So I'm going to be buying new parts for my build around christmas and in my build I have a MSI R9 Radeon 390 with a Intel i5 4690 3.5 Ghz Quad Core Processor. Will there be any bottlenecking?

Haha, there will be NO bottlenecking AT ALL! Dont worry

[SkilledRebuilds]

Gpu bound games. Absolutely not.

Cpu bound games.. hardly.

Still has stronk cores.

Majority of games are fine. Only BADLY made games should suffer in performance.

My 290x and 970 are not limited by my 4690 in 95% of games and I monitor everything.

One example. Ac:Unity runs quite well but the amount of NPCs around cause my cpu usage to be 95%on all cores dropping gpu usage into the 90s and back n forth.

Still getting ample fps from such a badly made title.

Batman runs fine (maxed) for such a shitty game too. Crysis3 runs fine except one map has high cpu usage but fine everywhere else.

Depends on the game

Usually. That cpu has no issues in majority of titles.

[App4that]

Gpu bound games. Absolutely not.

Cpu bound games.. hardly.

Still has stronk cores.

Majority of games are fine. Only BADLY made games should suffer in performance.

My 290x and 970 are not limited by my 4690 in 95% of games and I monitor everything.

One example. Ac:Unity runs quite well but the amount of NPCs around cause my cpu usage to be 95%on all cores dropping gpu usage into the 90s and back n forth.

Still getting ample fps from such a badly made title.

Batman runs fine (maxed) for such a shitty game too. Crysis3 runs fine except one map has high cpu usage but fine everywhere else.

Depends on the game

Usually. That cpu has no issues in majority of titles.

So you don't have a bottleneck, except for when you do lol

[Benji_w]

There will always be a bottle neck in a system, Linus has said it time and time again ffs, why is everyone worrying so much about such a futile issue.

[App4that]

There will always be a bottle neck in a system, Linus has said it time and time again ffs, why is everyone worrying so much about such a futile issue.

You shouldn't ignore it though. If I had gone with faster ram over my 1600 kit, or had gone with a 4790k verses my second GPU I might not have the issues I'm having.

[SkilledRebuilds]

So you don't have a bottleneck, except for when you do lol

Note when I said HARDLY... in CPU bound scenario's, at the very start,... Did you even read it properly..?

I never outright said they just DON'T, that would be unrealistic,..and provided examples when it may just in fact do so.

[App4that]

Note when I said HARDLY... in CPU bound scenario's, at the very start,... Did you even read it properly..?

I never outright said they just DON'T, that would be unrealistic,..and provided examples when it may just in fact do so.

I did read your post, it just gave me the giggles. If you have an issue with only one part of your PC, that problem is the bottleneck. The purpose of your PC will have a lot to do with where that bottleneck happens. I see a lot of people give bad advice because they underestimate the importance of the CPU and RAM in a gaming computer.

[Nena Trinity]

Bull shit lol, turn the shadows in Fallout 4 to ultra distance or run Firestrike in crossfire and see your score chopped off at the knees by the physics score and get back to me

Firestrike is not A game its A stress test...