The enemy is back Throttle Issues

[Benji_w]

@Nena360, Thanks for the suggestion, but i don't really want to touch voltages....at least not yet, and def. not on this board, at least the Asus board does not have the *need a top down blower to not throttle like a bitch. I really doubt the Asus board can be worse.

@Benji_w

1. that's dissapointing..... i would think a quality board would have real-time, real sensors, and directly lying.... wth... o,0.

2. I will stop using it when i have the money for a good board, i have a somewhat working setup now, and i think i can make

the quality to a level where i want to.

3.Indeed, i have to have a headset on to even tolerate it, Luckily the noise-gate function in OBS is pretty good so no viewers have complained, and it seems to be working so.

4. That's actually what i did too, i read the tech specs for my board, and it needs a CFM of 35, So i picked off a fan from the rad and ripped out the front of the 3.5 drives and put it in there. That helped too.

5.That's what i do too, Running prime and watching temps.

6.thanks for the tip, it's not going to be on this board tho, i don't trust it over a hungry fox.

I won't mark this as solved just yet. But when i get my CPU running @5Ghz i will mark it as solved. and getting that infernal 80MM fan out of my chassis.

 

 

You'll need to keep asking me for pointers for the 5ghz, your CPU produces twice the heat of my FX8350 and I need a 360mm rad and a 240 mm rad to keep its temps under control for 5ghz. 

[Nena Trinity]

@Nena360, Thanks for the suggestion, but i don't really want to touch voltages....at least not yet, and def. not on this board, at least the Asus board does not have the *need a top down blower to not throttle like a bitch. I really doubt the Asus board can be worse.

@Benji_w

1. that's dissapointing..... i would think a quality board would have real-time, real sensors, and directly lying.... wth... o,0.

2. I will stop using it when i have the money for a good board, i have a somewhat working setup now, and i think i can make

the quality to a level where i want to.

3.Indeed, i have to have a headset on to even tolerate it, Luckily the noise-gate function in OBS is pretty good so no viewers have complained, and it seems to be working so.

4. That's actually what i did too, i read the tech specs for my board, and it needs a CFM of 35, So i picked off a fan from the rad and ripped out the front of the 3.5 drives and put it in there. That helped too.

5.That's what i do too, Running prime and watching temps.

6.thanks for the tip, it's not going to be on this board tho, i don't trust it over a hungry fox.

I won't mark this as solved just yet. But when i get my CPU running @5Ghz i will mark it as solved. and getting that infernal 80MM fan out of my chassis.

 

Actually that voltage is stock for FX-8370 so it may be better!

[Coldfusionstorm]

@Benji_w

1.I believe you, if your VRM's give even half the heat off as mine does (we have almost the same chipset 970), You would def need some seriously cool, I swear you could cook on these VRM's, You do have a extreme overclock on your CPU too tho.
2.my CPU seems fine heat wise, both the CPU-Block and the rad seems fine , adding the VRM's heat to that loop would def require some extra seriously cooling.
 

@Nena360
What voltage are you talking about precisely?.
Anyhow, i will read up on voltages end the datasheets for the different equipments before i overclock anything.

Anyhow, Thanks for the help.
To everybody who has helped so far.
 

[Nena Trinity]

@Benji_w

1.I believe you, if your VRM's give even half the heat off as mine does (we have almost the same chipset 970), You would def need some seriously cool, I swear you could cook on these VRM's, You do have a extreme overclock on your CPU too tho.

2.my CPU seems fine heat wise, both the CPU-Block and the rad seems fine , adding the VRM's heat to that loop would def require some extra seriously cooling.

 

@Nena360

What voltage are you talking about precisely?.

Anyhow, i will read up on voltages end the datasheets for the different equipments before i overclock anything.

Anyhow, Thanks for the help.

To everybody who has helped so far.

 

How I check voltage? I use CPU-Z for that and I use AMD Overdrive to see temperature!

[Benji_w]

@Benji_w

1.I believe you, if your VRM's give even half the heat off as mine does (we have almost the same chipset 970), You would def need some seriously cool, I swear you could cook on these VRM's, You do have a extreme overclock on your CPU too tho.

2.my CPU seems fine heat wise, both the CPU-Block and the rad seems fine , adding the VRM's heat to that loop would def require some extra seriously cooling.

 

@Nena360

What voltage are you talking about precisely?.

Anyhow, i will read up on voltages end the datasheets for the different equipments before i overclock anything.

Anyhow, Thanks for the help.

To everybody who has helped so far.

 

 

I don't think the VRM is adding too much heat to my loop, I might be wrong, I have some jobs lined up so might buy a 2nd 360mm rad and put my 240 on the case floor so I'll have 960mm worth of rad surface. I need a tube res and stuff and mod my fan controller into the case lol, no wonder my gf calls my case Frankenstein's monster. It's worth keeping your VRM cool anyway, the cooler they are the more efficient they are.

[Coldfusionstorm]

@Benji_w

I don't have a wife, But do i know the frakenmonster, i have one myself lol.
Anyhow, i now have BSOD, i took the PSU out and it had quite a bit of dust, And now there is longer between the BSOD's it also can happen while the computer idles, so not a heat issue, I suspect the dust,  5 year old psu, and then 220W from the CPU and then the R9-390 was the final straw for it, it is going to die, so, the sabertooth will have to wait, it's cool now, and i no longer have throttling while streaming, i do not currently have the R9-390 STRIX (just the beautifull box standing and collecting dust   )in the config as that would properly kill the PSU and might take something out with it, so, at the end of the Month im getting
http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=704514&fid=343&lan=us

Well, It's a bit expensive but with 7 year warranty, and 1000 Watt, i should be good for both the 9590 and possibly 2 R9-390's in crossfire

I have also tried changing ram slots, and different ram configs with both sticks, It did not help.
 

@Nena360

that's what i use too

[Benji_w]

@Benji_w

I don't have a wife, But do i know the frakenmonster, i have one myself lol.

Anyhow, i now have BSOD, i took the PSU out and it had quite a bit of dust, And now there is longer between the BSOD's it also can happen while the computer idles, so not a heat issue, I suspect the dust,  5 year old psu, and then 220W from the CPU and then the R9-390 was the final straw for it, it is going to die, so, the sabertooth will have to wait, it's cool now, and i no longer have throttling while streaming, i do not currently have the R9-390 STRIX (just the beautifull box standing and collecting dust   )in the config as that would properly kill the PSU and might take something out with it, so, at the end of the Month im getting

http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=704514&fid=343&lan=us

Well, It's a bit expensive but with 7 year warranty, and 1000 Watt, i should be good for both the 9590 and possibly 2 R9-390's in crossfire

I have also tried changing ram slots, and different ram configs with both sticks, It did not help.

 

@Nena360

that's what i use too

 

Someone I know is selling a motherboard, I'll PM you as it's really cheap and its a Asus crosshair formula-z.

 

Can you tell me what things you have changed? BSoD I get are normally RAM related. If you have turned down your FSB to downclock your CPU then you might have messed up your RAM.

[Benji_w]

snip

 

 

That's because it's not the same as that 8300. Same die yes but the binning was for certain characteristics. Don't try to undervolt it too much or you'll be plagued with random lockups and restarts. Sometimes that chip really does need the 1.525v (or what ever the vid. is on that one) to run. Even just for that split second if the power isn't there it'll go down. I have seen dozens come for help with this CPU and mostly they just don't seem to realize the needs to power and cool such a beast. I sugest reading this from Shrimpbrime a seasoned overclocker. http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/758169-Formula-z-and-FX-9590-Hangs-and-Freezing

[Coldfusionstorm]

@Benji_w
Im testing ram today, Unfortunately, i ruined the fan that hold my system together, but i might have found a better solution with another fan, Or not, or solution more fans!, At least the new fan does not make as much noise as the old one. But But Damn, is this board bad.

This fan meets the boards requirements in terms of CFM
http://www.quietpc.com/nf-s12-800

it hangs from the outside together with another old fan.
Sorry for the cropped file, but i had to remove parts of the image to get the filesize under 2Mb,

Anyhow, This was stable, but i had browser windows open which does not stress the CPU as much as prime95 and Windows takes CPU time away from Prime95, As soon as i closed the browsers as i realised this, the temperature spiked to at least 68 where i stopped prime95, and the temprature fell instantly .

so im going to downclock the CPU in UEFI, and then run memtest86 at a slower speed , But F***, This board is bad, i seriously doubt anyone have had a 9590 running in this board, even with a "topdown heatsink", Fatality Gaming shit my ass, Holy F this board is shit. so unless my thermal paste is bad and dosn't work so my loop can't get the heat and then get off with it i will say to anyone if you have ordered a Fata1ly "performance" board (3.1), or just the normal one, return it at once, this board is SHIT. and remember this is AFTER i have booted into windows where my downclock to 4Ghz takes effect. yes that's right

4Ghz = 68Celcius and properly even more but the 9590 safe temp is max 70, and i like at least 10C headroom, so not over 60.


[EDIT]Jesus i even splurged on this board as i wanted a good board for my 9590, *spits on it*(the board), i just had to say it once more. The box is plasterd with 220Watt CPU support and 9000 CPU series support. But unless you buy a topdown fan that run's over 9000 RPM's i don't beleive it. Sjadghklsadjghæaaj ....

[Benji_w]

SNIP

 

They recently pulled off all the support for 220w from their packagings etc because it's simply bullshit. Never seen anyone with your CPU and MOBO get along well.

[Coldfusionstorm]

They recently pulled off all the support for 220w from their packagings etc because it's simply bullshit. Never seen anyone with your CPU and MOBO get along well.

that would be at least semi decent, and a refund,however dosn't look like it from thier webpage.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20970%20Performance/

 

"Supports 220W AMD FX 9590 & 9370 CPUs

This ASRock motherboard supports AMD FX 9590 & 9370 CPUs which delivers up to eight cores of unlocked performance, massive overclocking headroom, plus a thermal design power of 220W."

 

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20970%20Performance/?cat=CPU

However This board is complete bullshit. i have 2 fans blowair air on it, and the big one is a 35CFM fan, and then ive added the secondary one, the small one, (threw out the 80mm fan the noise was horrible).

I beleive you in the packing, That would be the only decent thing to do. However those liars still have it on the website.

i think im going to try calling them and require a explanation.

[edit]

btw i ran memtest on only one core, and it did 3 passes with no errors, and when i had more cores running it threw memory errors almost instantly.

im almost sure it's the motherboard, im still not using my R9-390 as i think the load would be too much. So im going for a new motherboard next month, that way i can at least get a stable PC.

i can not describe how disappointed i am in ASrock.

[Benji_w]

SNIP

 

Sorry about all the troubles, I know it sucks but once you've got a good board in there, you'll be good to go.

[Godlygamer23]

OMFG I'VE JUST SEEN YOUR BOARD!!!!

 

TAKE OUT THAT FX CHIP RIGHT NOW AND GO BUY AN ASUS BOARD BEFORE YOU BOARD BLOWS UP AND KILLS THE FX CPU!!!!!!!!

Just because it's from ASUS doesn't make it the highest quality. ASUS makes budget boards too.

[Dabombinable]

Just because it's from ASUS doesn't make it the highest quality. ASUS makes budget boards too.

My Old P5K VM and P5Q Turbo are examples of that, along with my H87M Pro. I've had to get a P5Q Deluxe and Z97 Sabertooth MKII to actually get motherboards with some quality behind them.

[Benji_w]

Just because it's from ASUS doesn't make it the highest quality. ASUS makes budget boards too.

 

The two boards I advised to purchase are the top tier ones though are they not?

[Godlygamer23]

The two boards I advised to purchase are the top tier ones though are they not?

It doesn't matter. Your post still implied ASUS=Highest quality no matter what board you use.

[Benji_w]

It doesn't matter. Your post still implied ASUS=Highest quality no matter what board you use.

 

Better than ASrock... There's a guy on OCN that did a review on either an ASrock or another similair and it didn't live through the review. I'd put my money on a Gigabyte UD5, ASUS sabre or ROG out living and out performing the other boards regardless of who made them.

 

Hope that clears things up for you? 

 

Also can we please keep on topic, you normally lock threads that veer this far off topic on pointless posts.

[Dabombinable]

Better than ASrock... There's a guy on OCN that did a review on either an ASrock or another similair and it didn't live through the review. I'd put my money on a Gigabyte UD5, ASUS sabre or ROG out living and out performing the other boards regardless of who made them.

 

Hope that clears things up for you? 

 

Also can we please keep on topic, you normally lock threads that veer this far off topic on pointless posts.

Right......you do realise that those are high end motherboards, with the Sabertooth going through testing that is more rigorous than that used on any other consumer motherboard. And which Asrock motherboard didn't survive the review?

[Coldfusionstorm]

Update:

Ive been having BSOD,'s suddenly for some time now, Mostly when running OBS.

It seems AMD have a buggy driver that crashes when OBS hooks into the the display, Ive not noticed BSOD when not running OBS.
At least OBS dev's states that OBS only run in userspace and not does anything with the kernel. So, Does not know if this is true.
So,It seems just that my Motherboard sucks, and that the rest of the PC is fine.

Im currently testing power consumption with prime95. Still at 4GHz, But it seems i might rule out the PSU as a point of failure at least.
onlt that it can't power both my 9590 and my R9-390 at the same time. (still not in my PC, want my CPU stable first.), So. But it seems i might finally soon mark this as solved,
A new board will properly finally fix my issues. The sabertooth and the Formula Seems like good boards for 9590.

[Benji_w]

That's because it's not the same as that 8300. Same die yes but the binning was for certain characteristics. Don't try to undervolt it too much or you'll be plagued with random lockups and restarts. Sometimes that chip really does need the 1.525v (or what ever the vid. is on that one) to run. Even just for that split second if the power isn't there it'll go down. I have seen dozens come for help with this CPU and mostly they just don't seem to realize the needs to power and cool such a beast. I sugest reading this from Shrimpbrime a seasoned overclocker. http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/758169-Formula-z-and-FX-9590-Hangs-and-Freezing

 

Did you not see this post @Coldfusionstorm underclocking and undervolting your chip will cause all kinds of issues. You really need to get a sabretooth or formula and then cool down the VRM and socket to fix your issues.

[Coldfusionstorm]

Im not undervolting, and only underclocking it slighly. And i wan't the motherboard to take care of the cooling.

btw, in case of the sabertooth.

SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0

FX-9590(FD9590FHW8KHK, 4.7GHz, 8C, L3:8M, 220W,rev.C0,AM3+)
Due to the high TDP, please be noted there are limitations while using this CPU(i.e. special thermal required..)

fair nuff, but, Where is this cooling required?, Chipset?, CPU?, VRM's?

It seem's like im replacing a board that requires alot of cooling with a board that have the exact same problem, (at least that's what im fearing).

im currently looking at the manual for the board too see if i can find out where this cooling is required, if it's the CPU no probs already got that covered.

well, im bummed out.

This says 220W support.

 

While this does not, i know it's not the exact same motherboad, but i can't find a motherboard on the US website that supports 220W CPU's. .

/sadface.

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/

 

 

Well. i don't get it.
Here it says it supports 9590 CPU
http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/ however it only supports 140W.

wat?

[Dabombinable]

Im not undervolting, and only underclocking it slighly. And i wan't the motherboard to take care of the cooling.

btw, in case of the sabertooth.

SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0

FX-9590(FD9590FHW8KHK, 4.7GHz, 8C, L3:8M, 220W,rev.C0,AM3+)

Due to the high TDP, please be noted there are limitations while using this CPU(i.e. special thermal required..)

fair nuff, but, Where is this cooling required?, Chipset?, CPU?, VRM's?

It seem's like im replacing a board that requires alot of cooling with a board that have the exact same problem, (at least that's what im fearing).

im currently looking at the manual for the board too see if i can find out where this cooling is required, if it's the CPU no probs already got that covered.

well, im bummed out.

This says 220W support.

 

While this does not, i know it's not the exact same motherboad, but i can't find a motherboard on the US website that supports 220W CPU's. .

/sadface.

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/

 

 

Well. i don't get it.

Here it says it supports 9590 CPU

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/ however it only supports 140W.

wat?

What you need is a really good 240mm water cooler (or better) and very good airflow inside the case to ensure that the VRM don't overheat and throttle the CPU. And from what I understand, support means that it can recognise a FX 9590, supporting 140W means that its what the motherboard can support without risking damage in the short or long term.

[Coldfusionstorm]

@Dabobminable, In that case my board actually seems better, since it actually supports 220 watt, But that it does require cooling. I just don't have the proper cooling setup.
as stated by their webpage.

However the Asus TUF series have exstra cooling with the ceramics and all and all, But im still a little worried, since that guy burned his board out.(same type as mine).
something is a little odd here.

My board seems better. I don't know if the ceramics is just a gimmick or actually useful for cooling the board, Also if the Asus board only supports 140W, there is a long way up to 220W, i know there is a lot of users with good experiences inhere with the board and the lower CPU's.

But have anyone run a Asus board with a 9590FX?

 

[Benji_w]

Im not undervolting, and only underclocking it slighly. And i wan't the motherboard to take care of the cooling.

btw, in case of the sabertooth.

SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0

FX-9590(FD9590FHW8KHK, 4.7GHz, 8C, L3:8M, 220W,rev.C0,AM3+)

Due to the high TDP, please be noted there are limitations while using this CPU(i.e. special thermal required..)

fair nuff, but, Where is this cooling required?, Chipset?, CPU?, VRM's?

It seem's like im replacing a board that requires alot of cooling with a board that have the exact same problem, (at least that's what im fearing).

im currently looking at the manual for the board too see if i can find out where this cooling is required, if it's the CPU no probs already got that covered.

well, im bummed out.

This says 220W support.

 

While this does not, i know it's not the exact same motherboad, but i can't find a motherboard on the US website that supports 220W CPU's. .

/sadface.

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/

 

 

Well. i don't get it.

Here it says it supports 9590 CPU

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/specifications/ however it only supports 140W.

wat?

 

They're just covering their backs, the power draw needed to supply the 220W CPU you have will heat up the VRM and CPU socket a lot, a good 120mm fan blowing down onto the VRM heatsinks will get rid of excessive heat and you'll have a much better experience with the sabretooth. Also note that the GEN3 board had a limited run and they're hard to find.

 

You will most likely be buying this board. http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/specifications/

You could always swap CPUs with me lol my board is setup for a 9590 with watercooled VRM etc or go down this route yourself.

 

Owner of this club has a 9590 with a sabretooth. http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club

[Coldfusionstorm]

Thanks, Il need to postpone the expense as my pump decided to die, and it sounded like it was going to blow up, so im on borrowing a pc right now, so.
Im not sure this board actually is so bad, Asus dosn't seem much better, but theres some info going around about the digi+ VRM's i need to look at.ks f

Also, thanks about the...currious offer, but im not trading CPU's

i like challenges anyways