AMD vs Nvidia and Intel

[Cs342]

Lately it seems like the only company that is really focusing on enthusiasts and PC gamers is AMD. Nvidia seems to be focusing more on mobile and console technology, while Intel isn't really pushing the envelop much (Haswell was a complete failure for desktop users) and there are rumors of them locking down overclocking on upcoming processors. Is AMD the only company that still cares about us?

[CoolBeans]

Well AMD has dropped the FX line so I don't think that hole statement is true.

[LapX]

Well AMD has dropped the FX line so I don't think that hole statement is true.

As far as I know that's only a rumor, has it been confirmed ?

[Cs342]

Well AMD has dropped the FX line so I don't think that hole statement is true.

I know, but at least they're giving gamers loads of free games with their Never Settle bundle, and still trying to excite enthusiasts with products like their 5GHz chip, even if it is a bit pointless.

[TheSLSAMG]

How was Haswell a failure?

[CoolBeans]

As far as I know that's only a rumor, has it been confirmed ?

I don't know, but I could see it happening because the 9590 and 9370 were such a flop.

[Lil Chillbil]

Lately it seems like the only company that is really focusing on enthusiasts and PC gamers is AMD. Nvidia seems to be focusing more on mobile and console technology, while Intel isn't really pushing the envelop much (Haswell was a complete failure for desktop users) and there are rumors of them locking down overclocking on upcoming processors. Is AMD the only company that still cares about us?

 

 

Amd does not care about you...

 

 

they care about profits

 

So does every other company...

 

intel and Nvidia is still the best choice for the ultimate gamer

 

 

that WILL change with the 9XXX series 

 

and WILL change back with the 8XX series

 

and so on and so forth 

[Morfanos]

Lately it seems like the only company that is really focusing on enthusiasts and PC gamers is AMD. Nvidia seems to be focusing more on mobile and console technology, while Intel isn't really pushing the envelop much (Haswell was a complete failure for desktop users) and there are rumors of them locking down overclocking on upcoming processors. Is AMD the only company that still cares about us?

 

How is Haswell a complete failure? Perhaps it's not the performance difference you expected compared to Ivy, but who cares about that, if you already have an Ivy bridge processor you're good for a few years still. For people getting a new build today, Haswell is a great choice at about the same price as the Ivy equivalent. Maybe they're targetting the mobile users too with the decreased power consumption and improved integrated graphics, but the way I see it's far from a failure.

[Lil Chillbil]

How was Haswell a failure?

 

 

It wasn't, the op was speaking "fanboy" 

 

Haswell was intels best chip lineup ever. it may not of met people's overly high expectations but it was epic none the less

[TheSLSAMG]

It wasn't, the op was speaking "fanboy" 

 

Haswell was intels best chip lineup ever. it may not of met people's overly high expectations but it was epic none the less

 

That's what I was thinking. I am surprised that I don't take sides. I like Intel, but I also like AMD and nVidia. They're all about equal, with AMD having a bit of an edge because of all of the awesome promotional stuff met by the awesome price cuts on parts. Nonetheless, my main rig has an Intel Core i5-3570K that I got a really good deal on and have absolutely no complaints about.

[Humbug]

AMD does have a lot of goodwill amongst the gamer community.  Compared to their market share they do have relatively high number of fanboys (myself included). People who would pick AMD if performance and other factors are equal. In the rest of the computing world it's probably the other way around; people think Intel is best.

 

As far as I know that's only a rumor, has it been confirmed ?

We don't know for sure; they may be afraid to admit it because a public admission that they won't even try to compete with i5 and i7 will bring a lot of negative PR . What we do know is they have removed all references to future FX or 8 core CPUs from their roadmaps. And any media questions on this topic are diverted with the usual "we do not comment on unnanounced products". The most highend upcoming desktop product which has been announced is a quad core steamroller APU.

[LapX]

I don't know, but I could see it happening because the 9590 and 9370 were such a flop.

They are not meant to be consumer grade anyway.

[Humbug]

I haven't seen sales figures, but I highly doubt the piledriver FX CPUs are a flop. For instance the fx-8350 is quite popular.

 

The bulldozers (like FX-8150) were a different story; probably considered a flop.

[Villain]

As has been said, neither company really "cares" about you or I as an individual. All they see is money figures, which is completely understandable since they ARE companies. Unless they are losing money, they generally won't go out of their way to fix any problems or improve their hardware/software. The AMD vs Nvidia or AMD vs Intel argument is entirely subjective, and more than likely anyone on here will tell you that one company is better specifically because they own their product(s). I personally don't think any of the three companies has come to care less than they have in the past.

[TheDigitalRealm]

Like Linus was saying, with nVidia locking cuda down and making a proprietary product and creating an ecosystem around it, I agree that cuda is dead. Open CL is really the way forward. Just look at the performance of a 7970 in adobe premiere, its faster than a 780.

Just to be clear though, no big company cares about its consumers, they care about turning a profit.

I don't think nvida has shifted its focus from PC, just look at nVidia grid. They're still focused on the gamer.

[mr moose]

Lately it seems like the only company that is really focusing on enthusiasts and PC gamers is AMD. Nvidia seems to be focusing more on mobile and console technology, while Intel isn't really pushing the envelop much (Haswell was a complete failure for desktop users) and there are rumors of them locking down overclocking on upcoming processors. Is AMD the only company that still cares about us?

 

If you consider haswell as part of intels roadmap into mobile computing (the need for low power) then it has been a major success. Mobile computing is such a major part of the market that we saw Microsoft re-write windows for mobile integration, we saw google release the cromebook, we saw NVidia enter the mobile cpu market and we are seeing intel put haswell technology into the atom processor and integrating 4g. It makes perfect sense with products like intels not to increase the chip processing speed but to reduce power consumption and head of competition from a rapidly growing arm. 

[Muppetlol]

If you look at haswell and you have CPU 2 generations down , Sandy or Ivy Bridge , you will realize not much difference and it probably won't be worth it to upgrade.

 

Most people are still running z77 and its still strong. I agree that Intel are making good CPU but like most people agree with , AMD CPU are the best for money.

 

For graphics card , Nvidia seems to be starting to lose out with Physx slowing dying and CUDA too.

 

AMD GPU are probably rising in popularity now. Sure they might take more power than Nvidia cards but people still buy it.

 

Personally I'm running a 670 and my next GPU upgrade will definitely be an AMD card. For CPU, AMD seems to be attractive in terms of price , but we'll see in the future since I'm still running a z77 and it will still be good for the next few years. Haswell might seem not so interesting to people now, so will the next generation of Intel CPU(broadwell) but in the future their lines of CPU might have some surprise? Who knows (:

[LegendKillerRG]

Computers are dying, not literally dying but consumer isn't interested in computer anymore. Like people are using Laptop Tablets Phones, kids are using handheld console like DSi 3DS and Shield... Destop PC aren't ideal for usual consumer anymore unless they are those people who does Adobe CS6 or similar workload. There are people like us which are less than 10% who cares about computers for gaming awhile the other 90% doesn't care about PC beside laptop... Intel can provide fast and efficience CPUs with built in Graphic for mobile platform awhile Nvidia and qualcomm provide the same thing.

[iAsuno]

well, if people would have their eyes opened and actually went to PC gaming. prices and sales would be so much better. sadly, that isn't the case

[legopc]

if i buy something i only care about what is the best at that moment 

[Anubikai]

i doubt intel will drop the k series overclocking chips...that seems extremely stupid to me....it will make aftermarket coolers redundant.......and the majority of enthusiast opt for the k series....

 

-Anubikai

[KieranThePCGuy]

i doubt intel will drop the k series overclocking chips...that seems extremely stupid to me....it will make aftermarket coolers redundant.......and the majority of enthusiast opt for the k series....

 

-Anubikai

I was just thinking this.

[Joshua]

if i buy something i only care about what is the best at that moment 

 

So if you were to buy a GPU now, you wouldn't wait for the 9000 series, right? Because they're not the best at the moment, are they. That sounds like a bad way to go about buying computer parts.

[legopc]

So if you were to buy a GPU now, you wouldn't wait for the 9000 series, right? Because they're not the best at the moment, are they. That sounds like a bad way to go about buying computer parts.

depends on it if its coming out in a few days they i would considder buy one of those but i dont like waiting a month 

[Cs342]

depends on it if its coming out in a few days they i would considder buy one of those but i dont like waiting a month 

Exactly. There's always going to be something better down the line. For example, I bought the Samsung 840 right before the 840 Evo was released. When the new drives came out there really wasn't a phenomenal leap in real world performance, and since I got my drive at a highly discounted price I'm very happy with my purchase. If you keep making excuses such as "I'll wait for the 9000 series" then when the 9000 series comes out you're gonna wait for the GTX 800 series and so on. Just get something good now.