The r9 295X2 is the best card on the market?

[TheConverter]

And in terms of raw performance, the 295x2 is a far better card. Hence it being at the top of nearly every single game benchmark with even basic crossfire support.

 

2 295X2 are better then 4 980Ti's. Lol? Bullshit.

[Atmos]

2 295X2 are better then 4 980Ti's. Lol? Bullshit.

 

No. 1 295x2 is better than 1 980ti and that's just a fact when looking at raw horsepower.

4 295x2's are better than 4 980ti's when talking about raw Horsepower.

 

You don't really seem to get it do you, that's just a fact of the hardware mate.

[TheConverter]

No. 1 295x2 is better than 1 980ti and that's just a fact when looking at raw horsepower.

4 295x2's are better than 4 980ti's when talking about raw Horsepower.

 

You don't really seem to get it do you, that's just a fact of the hardware mate.

 

The 295X2 is DUAL GPU CARD, it's two cards in one.

 

[Atmos]

The 295X2 is DUAL GPU CARD, it's two cards in one.

 

 

 

Its two CORES on one pcb. 

One CARD

Two CORES

 

There's a huge difference.

And that's completely besides the point. When comparing 

ONE R9 295x2 to ONE GTX 980ti, the 295x2 is a more powerful CARD- And that is a FACT

[TheConverter]

Its two CORES on one pcb. 

One CARD

Two CORES

 

There's a huge difference.

And that's completely besides the point. When comparing 

ONE R9 295x2 to ONE GTX 980ti, the 295x2 is a more powerful CARD- And that is a FACT

 

I don't care. If you compare a 295X2 versus 980Ti, you must compared it against 2 cards since you can't 4 way Crossifre 295X2. If you could then the 295X2 would still be THE BEST CARD

 

Also show me a 1440P benchmark (I don't fucking care about 4K, I ain't gonna play at 60hz) from a overclocked 980Ti versus a overclocked 295X2.

This video comes close, but a heavily overclocked 980Ti like mine is 10-15% better then a Titan X which has garbage cooling.

 

 

Heck, why am I even trying... this  card is DISCONTINUED

It's not sold anymore, atleast nowhere in Europe. Last known price is 1200€ that's more then a TITAN X

[Atmos]

I don't care. If you compare a 295X2 versus 980Ti, you must compared it against 2 cards since you can't 4 way Crossifre 295X2. If you could then the 295X2 would still be THE BEST CARD

 

Also show me a 1440P benchmark (I don't fucking care about 4K, I ain't gonna play at 60hz) from a overclocked 980Ti versus a overclocked 295X2.

This video comes close, but a heavily overclocked 980Ti like mine is 10-15% better then a Titan X which has garbage cooling.

 

 

 

Heck, why am I even trying... this  card is DISCONTINUED

It's not sold anymore, atleast nowhere in Europe. Last known price is 1200€ that's more then a TITAN X

 

We're not comparing dual card setups are we?

No, we're comparing single CARD setups. As far as anyone's concerned the 295x2 is a SINGLE card.

 

The most powerful SINGLE CARD gpu in the world, is still the 295x2. That's a literal FACT. The reason it's the most powerful is because it's two cores on a single pcb, but having two cores does not make it two cards. It's one card, two cores, that's a fact. 

In the US it's still widely available for $670-890 or roughly the same as the 980ti, on the lower-end at about $670.

 

Face it, it is the most powerful CARD, but it does not have the most powerful CORES.

People incapable of seeing that discretion are impossible to reason with. 

Dual core DOES NOT MEAN dual card. 

The 690 is one card

the 7990 is one card

the titan z is one card

the 295x2 is one card

THEY ARE ALL SINGLE CARD, and when comparing GRAPHICS CARDS, the most powerful still goes the the 295x2, because it's two GRAPHICS CORES on one GRAPHICS CARD.

 

There are more rational options, and for 890 you can get a technically faster graphics solution, BUT, when talking about GRAPHICS CARDS, the 295x2 is the most powerful GRAPHICS CARD.

[Lethal Seraph]

It's a dual gpu on a single pcb. Power hungry, best card out there. But you have to settle having to play with the settings alot on top having to deal with microsttutering and driver optimizations. That's what at least happened when I had mine couple weeks back.

[TheConverter]

We're not comparing dual card setups are we?

No, we're comparing single CARD setups. As far as anyone's concerned the 295x2 is a SINGLE card.

 

The most powerful SINGLE CARD gpu in the world, is still the 295x2. That's a literal FACT. The reason it's the most powerful is because it's two cores on a single pcb, but having two cores does not make it two cards. It's one card, two cores, that's a fact. 

In the US it's still widely available for $670-890 or roughly the same as the 980ti, on the lower-end at about $670.

 

Face it, it is the most powerful CARD, but it does not have the most powerful CORES.

People incapable of seeing that discretion are impossible to reason with. 

Dual core DOES NOT MEAN dual card. 

The 690 is one card

the 7990 is one card

the titan z is one card

the 295x2 is one card

THEY ARE ALL SINGLE CARD, and when comparing GRAPHICS CARDS, the most powerful still goes the the 295x2, because it's two GRAPHICS CORES on one GRAPHICS CARD.

 

There are more rational options, and for 890 you can get a technically faster graphics solution, BUT, when talking about GRAPHICS CARDS, the 295x2 is the most powerful GRAPHICS CARD.

 

No it's not. You still need CrossFire to use it. If you wouldn't need CF you could 4-way them but now you only can use a maximum of two in one system.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

No it's not. You still need CrossFire to use it. If you wouldn't need CF you could 4-way them but now you only can use a maximum of two in one system.

 

bruh, the gpu and the card ain't the same thing. 

[EllieThePurpleFuzzy]

Maybe for the prices it's going for and if you judge by raw horsepower, but i'd just get a 980ti instead, i believe the 980ti is a little behind the 295x2 in raw performance but the 980Ti gives you an extra 2Gb VRAM, None of the dual card headaches that can occur, Lower Power consumption And heat i believe too, and with a 295x2 you might end up having to spend a little extra for a 850W

 

295X2 is still a beastly card however, so if it fits your ideal then it's not too bad.

[TheConverter]

Maybe for the prices it's going for and if you judge by raw horsepower, but i'd just get a 980ti instead, i believe the 980ti is a little behind the 295x2 in raw performance but the 980Ti gives you an extra 2Gb VRAM, None of the dual card headaches that can occur, Lower Power consumption And heat i believe too, and with a 295x2 you might end up having to spend a little extra for a 850W

 

295X2 is still a beastly card however, so if it fits your ideal then it's not too bad.

 

980Ti owns the 295X2 at 1440P.

 

You can also get two 390's with 8GB of Vram for the price of one 295X2, makes no sense.

[Atmos]

980Ti owns the 295X2 at 1440P.

 

You can also get two 390's with 8GB of Vram for the price of one 295X2, makes no sense.

 

The 295x2 beats the 980ti in 90% of game titles in every resolution. Please provide evidence that the "980ti owns the 295x2 at 1440p"

I think you'll find, it doesn't hardly ever.

 

Because here's my proof. And that's just that.

In Unigine Heaven @ 1080p the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Unigine Heaven @ 4k the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Battlefield 4 @ 1080p the 295 only is beaten by the Titan X

In Battlefield 4 @ 4k the 295 is once again, only beaten by the Titan X

 

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but in all the games that support crossfire, even barely, and aren't the most horrendously Nvidia skewed title, the 295x2 wins without a doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

Sources:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/02-Unigine-Heaven-1080p,3665.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/03-Unigine-Heaven-2160p,3666.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/04-Metro-Last-Light-1080p,3667.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/05-Metro-Last-Light-2160p,3668.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/08-Dirt3-1080p,3671.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/09-Dirt3-2160p,3672.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/12-Tomb-Raider-1080p,3675.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/13-Tomb-Raider-2160p,3676.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/16-Battlefield-4-1080p,3679.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/17-Battlefield-4-2160p,3680.html

[Praesi]

In my Eyes the 980Ti ist the best Card you can have atm. Im no Fan of Dual GPU´s until microstutter is finaly fixed 100%

[Curufinwe_wins]

Best with the biggest caveats known to man.

Still doesn't even matter, it's dual Hawaii. I'd love to see a dual gm204 or gm200 card.

Hell dual gm204 might even get away with a 300W tdp just to troll amd.

[Suika]

Half of this forum will defend the R9 295X2 with their lives, but somebody so much as suggests as building a PC with GTX 970s in SLI and the entire forum will jump in and criticize the user for not picking the GTX 980 Ti. Who am I to say that, though?

 

No, the 295X2 is a dual GPU. It's only worth considering if you're willing to jump into the issues that come with running crossfire.

[Praesi]

The 295x2 beats the 980ti in 90% of game titles in every resolution. Please provide evidence that the "980ti owns the 295x2 at 1440p"

I think you'll find, it doesn't hardly ever.

 

Because here's my proof. And that's just that.

In Unigine Heaven @ 1080p the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Unigine Heaven @ 4k the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Battlefield 4 @ 1080p the 295 only is beaten by the Titan X

In Battlefield 4 @ 4k the 295 is once again, only beaten by the Titan X

 

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but in all the games that support crossfire, even barely, and aren't the most horrendously Nvidia skewed title, the 295x2 wins without a doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

Sources:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/02-Unigine-Heaven-1080p,3665.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/03-Unigine-Heaven-2160p,3666.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/04-Metro-Last-Light-1080p,3667.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/05-Metro-Last-Light-2160p,3668.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/08-Dirt3-1080p,3671.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/09-Dirt3-2160p,3672.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/12-Tomb-Raider-1080p,3675.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/13-Tomb-Raider-2160p,3676.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/16-Battlefield-4-1080p,3679.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/17-Battlefield-4-2160p,3680.html

As you see, the R9 295x2 is way behind the 980Ti´s.

[Curufinwe_wins]

As you see, the R9 295x2 is way behind the 980Ti´s.

In fairness to them the 295x2 was getting the same scores as the 390x/290x so apparently cf was broken.

And lol firestrike...

But no I don't think its a good buy. A good card yes.

[Atmos]

In fairness to them the 295x2 was getting the same scores as the 390x/290x so apparently cf was broken.

And lol firestrike...

But no I don't think its a good buy. A good card yes.

 

Precisely.

 

 

 

 

As you see, the R9 295x2 is way behind the 980Ti´s.

 

Firestrike tests heavily on the primary graphics core in the system, it's not good for testing multi-card setups. 

as well as CFX/SLI being broken on it apparently in scoring for witcher 3, and the game leaning heavily towards nvidia when they tested it. hence a 980ti being able to get nearly double the fps of a 290X; when in reality it's not nearly twice as powerful a gpu, more like 45-55% more powerful, and the 295 scoring roughly the same as the 290X/390X.

 

It's almost as if you didn't read my proof at all though, which is a shame, there's about 10 easy fast examples of the 295x2 beating the Titan X and 980ti at 1080p and 4k in games that don't learn towards either brand very hard, and have moderate support for crossfire.

[Praesi]

Precisely.

 

 

 

Firestrike tests heavily on the primary graphics core in the system, it's not good for testing multi-card setups. 

as well as CFX/SLI being broken on it apparently in scoring for witcher 3, and the game leaning heavily towards nvidia when they tested it. hence a 980ti being able to get nearly double the fps of a 290X; when in reality it's not nearly twice as powerful a gpu, more like 45-55% more powerful, and the 295 scoring roughly the same as the 290X/390X.

 

It's almost as if you didn't read my proof at all though, which is a shame, there's about 10 easy fast examples of the 295x2 beating the Titan X and 980ti at 1080p and 4k in games that don't learn towards either brand very hard, and have moderate support for crossfire.

Tomshardware isnt my first choice in cases of proof.

Maybe the R9 295x2 is better than in the List above, but its still a Dual GPU which kicks it out the Race for me.

[Atmos]

Tomshardware isnt my first choice in cases of proof.

Maybe the R9 295x2 is better than in the List above, but its still a Dual GPU which kicks it out the Race for me.

 

Whether you view it as compliant or not, it's still the most powerful graphics card in the world to date. Until either the dual Fury card comes out, or the dual Titan X card comes out.

[TheConverter]

The 295x2 beats the 980ti in 90% of game titles in every resolution. Please provide evidence that the "980ti owns the 295x2 at 1440p"

I think you'll find, it doesn't hardly ever.

 

Because here's my proof. And that's just that.

In Unigine Heaven @ 1080p the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Unigine Heaven @ 4k the 295x2 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Metro Last Light @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Dirt 3 @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 1080p the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Tomb Raider @ 4k the 295 out performs every other single-card setup.

In Battlefield 4 @ 1080p the 295 only is beaten by the Titan X

In Battlefield 4 @ 4k the 295 is once again, only beaten by the Titan X

 

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but in all the games that support crossfire, even barely, and aren't the most horrendously Nvidia skewed title, the 295x2 wins without a doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

Sources:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/02-Unigine-Heaven-1080p,3665.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/03-Unigine-Heaven-2160p,3666.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/04-Metro-Last-Light-1080p,3667.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/05-Metro-Last-Light-2160p,3668.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/08-Dirt3-1080p,3671.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/09-Dirt3-2160p,3672.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/12-Tomb-Raider-1080p,3675.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/13-Tomb-Raider-2160p,3676.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/16-Battlefield-4-1080p,3679.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/17-Battlefield-4-2160p,3680.html

 

You are so mad right now you linked us some useless benchmarks which don't contain any 980Ti what so ever. Also you don't showed me any 1440P benchmarks. I don't care about crappy outdated 1080P or overhyped 4K which can only do 60hz. 1440P 144hz is the only enthousiast option right now until cards with Displayport 1.3 come out for 4K 120hz. Also I must remind you that AMD currently doesn't have any IPS 1440P 144hz monitor that can do FreeSync at 144hz. The Asus MG279Q can only do FreeSync at 90hz.

 

 

Here are the benchmarks on my 980Ti.

 

295X2 1440P benchmarks:

 

 

 

So that guy gets 55-60FPS at 1440P in Witcher 3. I get 70-75FPS on my 980Ti.

 

- Less power usage

- Better performance

- Cheaper PSU

- Less heat output into my room

- 6GB of vram instead of 4GB

- Games with bad CF support run better

- No CF micro stutter

- WAY CHEAPER THEN 295X2

[Atmos]

You are so mad right now you linked us some useless benchmarks which don't contain any 980Ti what so ever. Also you don't showed me any 1440P benchmarks. I don't care about crappy outdated 1080P or overhyped 4K which can only do 60hz. 1440P 144hz is the only enthousiast option right now until cards with Displayport 1.3 come out for 4K 120hz. Also I must remind you that AMD currently doesn't have any IPS 1440P 144hz monitor that can do FreeSync at 144hz. The Asus MG279Q can only do FreeSync at 90hz.

 

 

Here are the benchmarks on my 980Ti.

 

295X2 1440P benchmarks:

 

 

 

So that guy gets 55-60FPS at 1440P in Witcher 3. I get 70-75FPS on my 980Ti.

 

- Less power usage

- Better performance

- Cheaper PSU

- Less heat output into my room

- 6GB of vram instead of 4GB

- Games with bad CF support run better

- No CF micro stutter

- WAY CHEAPER THEN 295X2

 

" Also you don't showed me any 1440P benchmarks."

If I show you 1080p benchmarks, and 4k benchmarks then there's no need for 1440p. 4k is harder to run than 1440p, and 1080p is easier than 1440p, so if I'm showing a "hard" test and an "easy" test then why would I NEED to show you a "medium" test. If it wins at the hard, and easy, then it obviously wins at the medium. That's just common logic.

 

"1440p is the only enthusiast option right now"

That's actually so wrong I can't even begin to describe it. 4k is enthusiast, literally ask any tech professional. If anything the more reasonably priced 1440p monitors are beginning to become mainstream, but since pretty much any 1/2 way decent 4k panel is still $450+ that's almost exclusively enthusiast.

 

"Also I must remind you that AMD currently doesn't have any IPS 1440P 144hz monitor that can do FreeSync at 144hz"

What does AMD not having any ips 1440p 144hz screens matter? Those literally only launched a month or so back... That's completely irrelevant to the debate we were having. 

 

"benchmarks which don't contain any 980Ti what so ever"

At 4k, at stock speeds the Titan X out performs the 980ti. It has a marginally more powerful core, and double the vram to eliminate any possible bottlenecks. If the 295x2 beats it as single-handedly as it did in all those tests, then its going to beat the 980ti just as well, in those tests. 

 

 

I've lost a LOT of respect for you, having to try and attack me directly instead of my argument, trying to pull on useless information because you ran out of "proof" to back your side up. I'm sorry, but it is an actual fact that the 295x2 is a more powerful card than the 980ti, that's not negotiable, that is a FACT.

If you can't read facts, then I'm done with this argument, you obviously are too ignorant.

[Mattyd7829]

The 295x2 is a great piece of kit. Temps are not that much of a problem, you can reduce the power a bit at stock clocks and it will run cooler. I suggest swapping the supplied fan for a pwm fan (or 2) and control it from your motherboard. You won't get me to change it for any of team greens offerings.

[TheConverter]

" Also you don't showed me any 1440P benchmarks."

If I show you 1080p benchmarks, and 4k benchmarks then there's no need for 1440p. 4k is harder to run than 1440p, and 1080p is easier than 1440p, so if I'm showing a "hard" test and an "easy" test then why would I NEED to show you a "medium" test. If it wins at the hard, and easy, then it obviously wins at the medium. That's just common logic.

 

1440P 144hz is much and much harder to push then 4K 60hz. I speak this out of my own experience, you obviously never experienced any of this and speak only based on shitty benchmarks from TomsHardware.

 

 

 

"1440p is the only enthusiast option right now"

That's actually so wrong I can't even begin to describe it. 4k is enthusiast, literally ask any tech professional. If anything the more reasonably priced 1440p monitors are beginning to become mainstream, but since pretty much any 1/2 way decent 4k panel is still $450+ that's almost exclusively enthusiast.

 

Which enthousiast wants to play at the slideshow that is 60hz? 4K is a bunch of overpriced and overhyped shit until they manage to make some high refresh rate monitors, hopefully next year with Displayport 1.3

 

I have used everything from shitty 4K TN panels to the Dell 5K at my work, and I have a 55 inch 4K TV at home.

 

 

 

"Also I must remind you that AMD currently doesn't have any IPS 1440P 144hz monitor that can do FreeSync at 144hz"

What does AMD not having any ips 1440p 144hz screens matter? Those literally only launched a month or so back... That's completely irrelevant to the debate we were having.

 

What's the point in having a good card if you don't have a good display to game on? The Acer XB270HU is currently the world best gaming monitor and there is no AMD version of it. It also launched at the start of April and that's when I bought it, so 5 months ago.

 

 

 

 

"benchmarks which don't contain any 980Ti what so ever"

At 4k, at stock speeds the Titan X out performs the 980ti. It has a marginally more powerful core, and double the vram to eliminate any possible bottlenecks. If the 295x2 beats it as single-handedly as it did in all those tests, then its going to beat the 980ti just as well, in those tests.

I've lost a LOT of respect for you, having to try and attack me directly instead of my argument, trying to pull on useless information because you ran out of "proof" to back your side up. I'm sorry, but it is an actual fact that the 295x2 is a more powerful card than the 980ti, that's not negotiable, that is a FACT.

If you can't read facts, then I'm done with this argument, you obviously are too ignorant.

How many times do I have to tell you. I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT BENCHMARKS THAT DON'T USE OVERCLOCKED CARDS. My 980Ti runs at +1500mhz, that's 50% more than the piece of shit reference card from Nvidia.

 

You are the only ignorant person here, everyone tells you that is not fair to compared a CROSSFIRE SETUP THAT THE 295X2 is to a single card solution like the 980Ti. They even told you it's more efficient to buy two 390's with 8GB of VRAM then one 295X2.

[Mattyd7829]

I think that if the price is comparable then the card setup (1gpu or 2) is irrelevant.