The Revival of AMD?

[FaZe Booce]

There last GPU release was 9 months ago and they are releasing another in only a few days.

I thought it was longer than that. What is being released?

[Jedicake]

I'm praying to GabeN that AMD makes a huge penetration in the market, not only for selfish reasons cause I need a new GPU, but also we need them to succeed. If one fails we all lose. Depending on the performance of the 390x; I'm buying it day one. Well.... might wait for good aftermarket ones.

[Sam Z Man]

I thought it was longer than that. What is being released?

Tonga came out with a cut down version last September the same time as the 970 and 980.

They are releasing there flagship card as well as a fully featured Tonga GPU.

[IhazHedont]

They need to.

 

Having one company that monopolizes an entire market isn't healthy for the costumers.

[Dabombinable]

Do you not see the fully unlocked Tonga in the lineup that card is going to be dope, and that is the count to two new GPU's.

That's the same number nivida released at the launch of the 900 series.

Tonga could have been around in unlocked form since the 285 came out, so although its not quite a rebrand-its nothing new.

[Sam Z Man]

Tonga could have been around in unlocked form since the 285 came out, so although its not quite a rebrand-its nothing new.

Yea its new because frankly unlocked Tonga is not on the market and after this release it will be on the market, so it's new.

The 285 was lowered by quite a bit when released and is not a fully featured Tonga.

[TorqueS]

Tonga could have been around in unlocked form since the 285 came out, so although its not quite a rebrand-its nothing new.

Yeah, it's not new but as you could see, it brings some improvements in the efficency and tesselation departments, and if that was the cut-down version, I really think that the fully unlocked chip would be a good competitor for the 970, which is what AMD needs right now.

The 970 is nVidia's most successful card(well was, because in the last few weeks the price has gone up mad) and to me, the fact that AMD hasn't confirmed Tonga XT's pricing yet suggests that either they can't make it(very unlikely) or they're still tweaking it.

 

TBH, I'm more hyped for the Tonga than for Fury, since Tonga might be something that I(along with a lot of other people) can actually afford.

[Nosmada09]

Yea its new because frankly unlocked Tonga is not on the market and after this release it will be on the market, so it's new.

The 285 was lowered by quite a bit when released and is not a fully featured Tonga.

They are also releasing fully unlocked full versions of the Hawaii GPU as well as all of them are getting faster Vram then the 900 series cards. 

[Nosmada09]

Yeah, it's not new but as you could see, it brings some improvements in the efficency and tesselation departments, and if that was the cut-down version, I really think that the fully unlocked chip would be a good competitor for the 970, which is what AMD needs right now.

The 970 is nVidia's most successful card(well was, because in the last few weeks the price has gone up mad) and to me, the fact that AMD hasn't confirmed Tonga XT's pricing yet suggests that either they can't make it(very unlikely) or they're still tweaking it.

 

TBH, I'm more hyped for the Tonga than for Fury, since Tonga might be something that I(along with a lot of other people) can actually afford.

 

Check the link I posted it has some pretty solid prices for what the 300 series will be at.

[Sam Z Man]

They are also releasing fully unlocked full versions of the Hawaii GPU as well as all of them are getting faster Vram then the 900 series cards.

Wasn't the 290X a fully unlocked Hawaii GPU?

[Nosmada09]

Wasn't the 290X a fully unlocked Hawaii GPU?

 

I don't think so but I'll look into it.

[Sam Z Man]

I don't think so but I'll look into it.

Based on what I know the only thing they are changing is the amount of vram and clock speeds witch had been done to the 290X already.

[Nosmada09]

Based on what I know the only thing they are changing is the amount of vram and clock speeds witch had been done to the 290X already.

 

Ok so the 390x will sport a enhanced version of the same chip that the 290x has, same goes for the 390 and 290, The new cards will sport faster clock speeds, bette,r faster and more vram and is going to be more efficient, although how they are going to make them more efficient I have no clue.

[Tiby]

My take on this is that AMD is not doing bad on the desktop side. Their compute GPU power on OpenCL is top class and with supporters such as Apple, Adobe and mostly graphic development companies, it will do quite nicely in the future as well.

The APU market is better then Intels (at least in the desktop side). 

Only problem for AMD is unfortunately the mobile market which does attract more and more people each year. 

Few use APU's in laptops because of heat issues and their take on the smartphone / tablet market is minimal to say at least.  

 

There is some light in this considering that, at least from my point of view AMD is more "open" than both nVidia and Intel. Companies nowadays simply want to link themselves to opensource technologies for the sole purpose of not depending on proprietary code that may bound them to a single platform (Windows for that matter..). Long gone are the days when opensource had lower performance / functionalities than similar proprietary code and from this perspective, AMD is on the winning side (if they do play this card correctly).

 

Gaming wise, well at least from my point of view is the most irrelevant area. We all know that game houses are financed by either nVidia or AMD to promote their technologies and taking into account how much "commercial" games are nowadays, it's not about who has the best to offer but more like who has the deepest pockets to promote their own stuff.

[Elapo]

fuck no, I want them to be like "Guess what guys, January 1, 2016 Zens going to hit the market" with a 16 core design that has a very lightweight GPU component.

 

And a side note, AMD doesn't have bad products out.  I think people just out class them too much.  For example, people are compairing the R9-200 series GPUs with the Nvidia GeForce 900 series cards, yet the R9-200 series was meant to be compared to the 700 series from Nvidia.  Or when people compare the FX-8350 with any i7 CPU, because its original competitor was the Intel i5-3570k.

 

One problem I do wish AMD would address is faster/more product launches.

 

The R9 200 should be measured against any GPU that is available at the same time, that includes the 900 series. That's like saying we shouldn't compare the GTX 900 series to the R9 300 series, because the 900 series are older. It's a vicious circle. 

 

GPU's need to be compared against any other GPU that is available at a given time, no exceptions. 

[Commander_Z]

Am I the only one praying that AMD releases some truly competitive products this year? Seriously.... I have nothing against Intel or Nvidia but I am honestly scared of what is going to happen if AMD continues to fall behind. They really need to step up their game, pull out all the stops, and lay a smack down on their competitors. As Linus said in the Wan Show on Friday Intel has already caught up to and about to surpassed AMD in the APUs market, lets not even talk about the CPU Market, and No One knows whats gonna happen with the GPU market but I can definitely say AMD has got their work cut out for them with everything Nvidia has released so far this year.  The point is we as a Tech community NEED a strong AMD otherwise what reason does anyone have to innovate or make new and cooler products? We have already started to seeing some of the downsides of having such a weak AMD. 

 

Things I really really want to see from AMD this year: Truly competitive CPUs, GPUs and APUs, New sockets and Motherboards, Better efficiency, Hyper treading, better free sync and crossfire.   

 

Is anyone else as terrified about this as I am? What are your thoughts and opinions? What would you like to see from AMD? 

Keep praying dude

[SeriousDad69]

I hope AMD does well because I dislike Intel for political and business reasons and I dislike Nvidia for pretty much lying about the 970s vRam and just overall coming off as a greasy company to me. AMD has yet to do something to earn my dislike, then again I'm relatively new to the PC gaming sphere. Their processors may suck in head to head comparisons but I have no problem playing games with an overclocked FX-6350 and with DX12, Vulkan and Mantle bringing better multithreading support in games and lower processor overheard in general I see no reason to sell my soul to Intel. And the R9 290X is extremely competitive in price to performance with Nvidia's 900 series. And the fastest or second fastest(Not sure if the Titan X beats it) graphics card for gaming right now is the R9 295x2 which is only $600(Before you start spergging out I know it's just two 290xs on the same board, chill out. Notice how I said "graphics card" and not "graphics processor")

If AMD dies Nvidia and Intel will both be split into several smaller companies due to antitrust laws and life will go on, but I'm pretty sure that AMD is going to make a come back with the R9 300s even if they're all rebrands(A rebrand of a 290x isn't really that bad considering it's already faster than the 970 with some overclocking, and actually has 4GB of fully functional vRam!). This time around I might even pick up one of AMD's HBM Fiji cards if they have a good price to performance ratio. Also looking forward to an 8 core Zen processor with 40-50% better IPC than Piledriver.

[FaZe Booce]

I'm praying to GabeN that AMD makes a huge penetration in the market, not only for selfish reasons cause I need a new GPU, but also we need them to succeed. If one fails we all lose. Depending on the performance of the 390x; I'm buying it day one. Well.... might wait for good aftermarket ones.

At the rate nvidia is making graphics cards, AMD lost.

 

Praise be to GabeN. He might bless us with an AMD gpu to blow nvidia away.

[Nena Trinity]

Direct X12 will save AMD!

 

Drivers will get better and so will the CPUs!

[Dabombinable]

Direct X12 will save AMD!

 

Drivers will get better and so will the CPUs!

No it won't. An entire range of new CPU's and GPU's is what they need to get out of trouble. Either that or another company to buy them out after so many bad CEO.

[Elapo]

No it won't. An entire range of new CPU's and GPU's is what they need to get out of trouble. Either that or another company to buy them out after so many bad CEO.

 

Their previous CEO (Rory Read) was a genius and saved AMD from bankruptcy. Their current hasn't been there long enough to have made a lot of difference. They should be fine CEO-wise for now.

[Dabombinable]

Their previous CEO (Rory Read) was a genius and saved AMD from bankruptcy. Their current hasn't been there long enough to have made a lot of difference. They should be fine CEO-wise for now.

AMD has still had a lot of bad CEO.

[Elapo]

AMD has still had a lot of bad CEO.

 

Sure, but the change of focus did them very well. Yes, they might be losing in the gaming world, but they still have a lot of other markets now. In the last 7 years or so they went from 95% Pc to 50% Pc, or something along those lines. They don't need a killer CPU/GPU lineup, that's the mistake those bad CEO's made, they need something that they will actually sell a lot of.

[Dabombinable]

Sure, but the change of focus did them very well. Yes, they might be losing in the gaming world, but they still have a lot of other markets now. In the last 7 years or so they went from 95% Pc to 50% Pc, or something along those lines. They don't need a killer CPU/GPU lineup, that's the mistake those bad CEO's made, they need something that they will actually sell a lot of.

They won't be selling a lot of the re-branded GPU's though will they?

[maizenblue]

It doesn't look good for amd on the gpu side, although they do have a near monopoly on the console gpu and cpu market. I believe they supply the gpus and cpu for all the current gaming consoles.

I'm surprised they haven't been able to transfer their console success to the pc side. Maybe that actually works against them with some pc gamers, but you'd think it would give them an inside track to game devs.