Hardware banned?

[Pooherino ツ]

So I recently started playing cs go. and if u guys play cs go u would know that there are so many cheaters which is super frustrating btw. But I did some research on these hackers and came across something called hardware banning. does anyone know what that mean. How can ur mobo or cpu or ram can be banned from an online game?

[Deletive]

I think it's more Mice, keyboards and Monitors if anything

Like a monitor with a built-in feature that it puts a cross hair over the image is pretty unfair. 

[Toxicable]

Im not sure on specifics about CS:GO but I know this, every single piece of hardware made by any normal brand has identification numbers, obviously not all these are passed through to the servers but for one game I used to play I know that they could mark the "serial" (not sure what number it was, pretty sure it's serial number) number of your HDD and ban that.

[HmmR]

it means that if i have a samsung galaxy s4  i9500 xxxxxxx model

 

the player with i9500 xxxxxxx model will be banned and cant play from that device again even if they make a new account

[Pooherino ツ]

I think it's more Mice, keyboards and Monitors if anything

Like a monitor with a built-in feature that it puts a cross hair over the image is pretty unfair. 

 

no i mean like walling and aimbot. U can put in a crosshair with console in game

[Pooherino ツ]

Im not sure on specifics about CS:GO but I know this, every single piece of hardware made by any normal brand has identification numbers, obviously not all these are passed through to the servers but for one game I used to play I know that they could mark the "serial" (not sure what number it was, pretty sure it's serial number) number of your HDD and ban that.

 

hmm so they server get ur hardware info?

[ProKoN]

they ban hardware GUID. not sure what one. prolly board or gfx card.. linked to your account.

 

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/driverssupport/a/device-class-guid.htm

[HmmR]

it means that if i have a samsung galaxy s4  i9500 xxxxxxx model

 

the player with i9500 xxxxxxx model will be banned and cant play from that device again even if they make a new account

just a example can be implied to any hardware as long as the server can read your hardware model no and u banned u can enter in 

[tp95112]

no i mean like walling and aimbot. U can put in a crosshair with console in game

Aimbot and walling is software.Monitors that put a crosshair on your screen when its not suppose to is illegal. ex Awp with a crosshair or visual representation of foot steps

[Toxicable]

hmm so they server get ur hardware info?

Yes, again im not sure on specifics about how or what ones but they are obtainable and bannable 

[i_build_nanosuits]

A media access control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to network interfaces for communications on the physical network segment. MAC addresses are used as a network address for most IEEE 802 network technologies, including Ethernet and WiFi.

 

Once they ban your mac adress form the network it's all over for you son.

 

Here how to find your own mac adress:

http://www.wikihow.com/Find-the-MAC-Address-of-Your-Computer

 

Each motherboard (LAN adapter on the board to be exact) as it's own MAC adress...and they can block that.

[RZeroX]

Like your hard drive etc HWID, but valve don't ban people by HWID.

[Decon]

I think it's more Mice, keyboards and Monitors if anything

Like a monitor with a built-in feature that it puts a cross hair over the image is pretty unfair. 

lol why wouldn't you just measure you monitor and put a piece of e-tape where crosshairs would be?

[MrBucket101]

A media access control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to network interfaces for communications on the physical network segment. MAC addresses are used as a network address for most IEEE 802 network technologies, including Ethernet and WiFi.

 

Once they ban your mac adress form the network it's all over for you son.

 

Here how to find your own mac adress:

http://www.wikihow.com/Find-the-MAC-Address-of-Your-Computer

 

Each motherboard (LAN adapter on the board to be exact) as it's own MAC adress...and they can block that.

You can change your MAC address very easily in software...probably not the best metric for uniqueness

[Opcode]

Hardware banning is the idea of using hardware based serials with a custom algorithm to give the machine a unique identity based on its hardware configuration. It's no different than locking down software to be hardware bound to a specific machine. I do this with my premium game hacks to force users into paying for my hack instead of just leaking it around on the web. Hardware banning works the same way except they use your hardware serials to block game access. So if you ever end up hardware banned you're pretty much banned until you swap out the hardware responsible for their checks. In early adoptions of hardware banning they would just use your MAC address which isn't the case anymore (too easy to spoof). So they pull serials that aren't easily changeable directly from hardware.

 

Example of pulling CPU serial number.

MOV EAX, $80000003CPUIDMOV DWORD [p.v_lowbits], ECXMOV DWORD [p.v_highbits], EDX  serial = lowbits | highbits << 32 

Which would be used with motherboard serial and other hardware serials in a custom algorithm to calculate a unique system serial.

hwid = ((cpuid + moboid) / 150) * 2

hmm so they server get ur hardware info?

Not necessarily, the calculation is done client side and then is validated with the server.

[TOMPPIX]

if only vac would hardware ban 

[Dabombinable]

Im not sure on specifics about CS:GO but I know this, every single piece of hardware made by any normal brand has identification numbers, obviously not all these are passed through to the servers but for one game I used to play I know that they could mark the "serial" (not sure what number it was, pretty sure it's serial number) number of your HDD and ban that.

HDD banning wouldn't affect me that much, I've got an SSD, 2x2.5" laptop drives, 1x1TB desktop drive and 2x20GB 3.5" IDE HDD (though one is getting a bit iffy looking at its SMART results). I could have a few rigs set up for causing havoc in game.

 

Hardware banning is the idea of using hardware based serials with a custom algorithm to give the machine a unique identity based on its hardware configuration. It's no different than locking down software to be hardware bound to a specific machine. I do this with my premium game hacks to force users into paying for my hack instead of just leaking it around on the web. Hardware banning works the same way except they use your hardware serials to block game access. So if you ever end up hardware banned you're pretty much banned until you swap out the hardware responsible for their checks. In early adoptions of hardware banning they would just use your MAC address which isn't the case anymore (too easy to spoof). So they pull serials that aren't easily changeable directly from hardware.

 

Example of pulling CPU serial number.

MOV EAX, $80000003

CPUID

MOV DWORD [p.v_lowbits], ECX

MOV DWORD [p.v_highbits], EDX

serial = lowbits | highbits << 32 

Which would be used with motherboard serial and other hardware serials in a custom algorithm to calculate a unique system serial.

hwid = ((cpuid + moboid) / 150) * 2

 

Not necessarily, the calculation is done client side and then is validated with the server.

By any chance is the serial for devices in their firmware, because I've been experimenting with modding the firmware of a few of my old parts, and I could change it myself.

[Toxicable]

HDD banning wouldn't affect me that much, I've got an SSD, 2x2.5" laptop drives, 1x1TB desktop drive and 2x20GB 3.5" IDE HDD (though one is getting a bit iffy looking at its SMART results). I could have a few rigs set up for causing havoc in game.

 

 

By any chance is the serial for devices in their firmware, because I've been experimenting with modding the firmware of a few of my old parts, and I could change it myself.

 

 

So I recently started playing cs go. and if u guys play cs go u would know that there are so many cheaters which is super frustrating btw. But I did some research on these hackers and came across something called hardware banning. does anyone know what that mean. How can ur mobo or cpu or ram can be banned from an online game?

 

 

 

So you want to be one of these cheaters who are super frustrating?

[Dabombinable]

So you want to be one of these cheaters who are super frustrating?

I don't normally cheat, but if I get pissed of at one person, my method of ragging puts the fun back into a game-for me.

[szomeret]

I'm going to guess it's the MAC address of your Ethernet adapter that is blacklisted. But Steam is fairly sophisticated now days, so who knows. Some BIOS have it as an option to allow CPUID to fetch the processor serial number, but most don't. I don't think Steam is relying on that.

More importantly, don't be a dirty cheater.

[Opcode]

if only vac would hardware ban 

VAC doesn't need to as they actually have a far worse method involving blacklisting your account from being able to play on VAC servers. You can't even appeal a VAC ban (0-tolerance) so once you're VAC banned you can kiss the entire library of games you paid for goodbye (other than playing on non-VAC servers and offline). This is one massive piece of motivation to those who have hundreds of dollars spent on games in their library. It's simply not worth risking $300 worth of games just because you want to cheat.

 

By any chance is the serial for devices in their firmware, because I've been experimenting with modding the firmware of a few of my old parts, and I could change it myself.

Most of the time serials are indeed stored in firmware. Storage mediums like hard drives have their serial stored in firmware.

 

I'm going to guess it's the MAC address of your Ethernet adapter that is blacklisted. But Steam is fairly sophisticated now days, so who knows. Some BIOS have it as an option to allow CPUID to fetch the processor serial number, but most don't. I don't think Steam is relying on that.

More importantly, don't be a dirty cheater.

CPUID is in fact a instruction that the CPU itself supports (I outlined above how to poke them registers). Tho they can't rely on just CPU serial itself as it's not truly a unique identifier. Batches of processors often have the same exact serial (learned this the hard way). So they would have to rely on more than just that to prevent banning hundreds if not thousands of players with a single serial. Usually it would be a combination of multiple devices in your machine all ran through a custom algorithm.

[szomeret]

CPUID is in fact a instruction that the CPU itself supports (I outlined above how to poke them registers). Tho they can't rely on just CPU serial itself as it's not truly a unique identifier. Batches of processors often have the same exact serial (learned this the hard way).

All the CPU I've seen don't return a serial number (since the Pentium 3, anyway) and only return a processor ID which isn't unique.

[Opcode]

All the CPU I've seen don't return a serial number (since the Pentium 3, anyway) and only return a processor ID which isn't unique.

Serial number and Processor ID are one in the same in this context. Indeed it's not unique hence why I would never suggest relying on just that as a Celeron and a Core i7 can have the same exact Processor ID. Tho it does add a lot more complexity to a generated hwid (especially separating branding). I personally don't rely on just one hardware based serial for the protection I've written. Processor ID and HDD serial are what I use to lock down my game hacks which has turned out to be quite successful. Tho I would dive in deeper than that if you're looking for more specific variables and stronger protection.

[Dabombinable]

Most of the time serials are indeed stored in firmware. Storage mediums like hard drives have their serial stored in firmware.

Brilliant, that's one way I can avoid bans then.