Second pair of eyes.

[TheAxeMan]

alright guys so im currently designing a build i haven't really bought anything yet but i just want a second pair of eyes to go through it to make sure ive got everything i need and that its right for what i want. 

 

Alright so first im going to say what i want out of this build. the main thing im going to be doing is gaming first and foremost but i also might do some video editing and uploading, i want a build that will last and be prepared for any future upgrades i might want to do. im trying to design it around a fairly decent budget but not spending a crazy amount of money doing it i am just trying to get the most out of my build the first time around with plenty of room for expansion and saving money where i can. eventually i want it to be able to run games at 4k and be prepared to do that so here is my part list

 

1. mobo: asus x99 deluxe

2. cpu: intel core i7 5820k

3. gpu: gigabyte nvidia gtx 970 overclocked

4. ram: 16GB corsair 2666 c16 ddr4 memory

5. hdd: 2TB western digital black 7200rpm sataIII

6. ssd: samsung 850 evo 250Gb

7. power supply: cooler master v750 

8. case: Corsair vengeance series c70

9. optical drive: LG blu-ray

 

 Now i know this wont be enough to originally run 4k but there really are not any reasonably priced gpu's that can so im going to upgrade that when 4k becomes the standard and i feel like dishing out that money. also it will probably be a windows 8.1 machine just because im used to it on the machine im running now. im also wondering if i should invest in more cooling fans than come with the case and if being prepared for the ddr4 switch/six core processor is a good move. any feedback is greatly appreciated and if something on this build seems idiotic or im missing something dont be afraid to tell me. this is a good chunk of change i want to dish out and i want to make sure it is absolutely correct!!

[T.Vengeance]

You might wanna consider an aftermarking cpu cooler if you plan to overclock that k edition.

[TheAxeMan]

You might wanna consider an aftermarking cpu cooler if you plan to overclock that k edition.

other than that does it look good? and which one would you recommend to cool it?

[brob]

X99 cpu do not come with a cooler.

 

I expect that one would realize much better gaming performance with a Z97 build. Especially given the fact that a single GTX 970 gpu is being used. (The i7-4790K has a 700MHz higher base clock.) The savings would allow for a GTX 980 instead of the 970 if desired.

[TheAxeMan]

X99 cpu do not come with a cooler.

 

I expect that one would realize much better gaming performance with a Z97 build. Especially given the fact that a single GTX 970 gpu is being used. (The i7-4790K has a 700MHz higher base clock.) The savings would allow for a GTX 980 instead of the 970 if desired.

i considered both for quite some time and the only problem that i ran into was making sure that everything will be relevant for years to come? for example it seems as though intel is making the push for the 6 core and 8 core processors while the z97's seem to be reaching the end of their cycle and i don't want to need to replace mobo and cpu or either really when it does come time to upgrade the system to 4k and for what ever else i may decide to do? basically i just want the longevity to be as extreme as possible. also with such a build what would be the highest cpu speed on the 5820k i should overclock to, ive heard of some getting it high like 4.4 but i just dont know how safe that would be. but yes the 4790k is something i have been considering im just quite worried about longevity.

[thekeemo]

Besides that I would suggest switching out the 970 with a 290x and save some bucks maybe Evan go dual 290x for ~100 or so more

[CostcoSamples]

i considered both for quite some time and the only problem that i ran into was making sure that everything will be relevant for years to come? for example it seems as though intel is making the push for the 6 core and 8 core processors while the z97's seem to be reaching the end of their cycle and i don't want to need to replace mobo and cpu or either really when it does come time to upgrade the system to 4k and for what ever else i may decide to do? basically i just want the longevity to be as extreme as possible. also with such a build what would be the highest cpu speed on the 5820k i should overclock to, ive heard of some getting it high like 4.4 but i just dont know how safe that would be. but yes the 4790k is something i have been considering im just quite worried about longevity.

For a gaming build, there is little or no benefit to going 5820k instead of 4790k, or even 4690k.  For longevity, you must consider which combination will last the longest:

 

A) 5820k + GTX 970

B) 4790k + GTX 980

C) 4790k + SLI (2) GTX 970

D) 4690k + GTX 980

E) 4690k + SLI (2) GTX 970

 

For gaming, no question the SLI options will last the longest and have the best gaming performance.  But SLI is not always bug-free, and takes more power, generates more heat etc.  There are benefits to the i7 for video editing, but if your video work is only occasional and not a big part of your life (i.e. a hobby, not your profession), I wouldn't put too much weight into that part of it.  An i5 will do video work just fine.

 

Also, it might be worth waiting (if possible) a few months to see what the new 14nm desktop CPUs are like.  Could be really awesome.

[CostcoSamples]

Also, I'm not familiar with that PSU.  Be sure to check Jonnyguru.com for PSU reviews!  don't underestimate the importance of a good PSU.  The rest of your build is fine, just need to iron out the CPU/GPU combo.  

[TheAxeMan]

For a gaming build, there is little or no benefit to going 5820k instead of 4790k, or even 4690k.  For longevity, you must consider which combination will last the longest:

 

A) 5820k + GTX 970

B) 4790k + GTX 980

C) 4790k + SLI (2) GTX 970

D) 4690k + GTX 980

E) 4690k + SLI (2) GTX 970

 

For gaming, no question the SLI options will last the longest and have the best gaming performance.  But SLI is not always bug-free, and takes more power, generates more heat etc.  There are benefits to the i7 for video editing, but if your video work is only occasional and not a big part of your life (i.e. a hobby, not your profession), I wouldn't put too much weight into that part of it.  An i5 will do video work just fine.

 

Also, it might be worth waiting (if possible) a few months to see what the new 14nm desktop CPUs are like.  Could be really awesome.

Alright say i jump down to 4790k and z97 chipset, i still plan on keeping the 970 just because i really dont want to get flagship right now id rather wait and buy a better version that will be able to run good frame rates with just the single gpu at 4k, will there be any hindrance in being able to do that? like i don't want next gpu cycle to run around and turns out that i cant run the graphics card i need on the z97 and the 4790k... would that ever actually happen or am i overthinking things too much.

[Suffokation]

Alright say i jump down to 4790k and z97 chipset, i still plan on keeping the 970 just because i really dont want to get flagship right now id rather wait and buy a better version that will be able to run good frame rates with just the single gpu at 4k, will there be any hindrance in being able to do that? like i don't want next gpu cycle to run around and turns out that i cant run the graphics card i need on the z97 and the 4790k... would that ever actually happen or am i overthinking things too much.

If you have the budget, just go with X99 mate.

I could have gone with Z97 but I simply had the budget and saw no reason for using Z97.

[Sanctorum]

Haswell-E runs cooler than Haswell, but you'll still need a cooler. I'd change that PSU for an XFX unit. 970 will run 4k ezpz, just won't handle AAA titles great. I'd change that case personally.

[CostcoSamples]

Alright say i jump down to 4790k and z97 chipset, i still plan on keeping the 970 just because i really dont want to get flagship right now id rather wait and buy a better version that will be able to run good frame rates with just the single gpu at 4k, will there be any hindrance in being able to do that? like i don't want next gpu cycle to run around and turns out that i cant run the graphics card i need on the z97 and the 4790k... would that ever actually happen or am i overthinking things too much.

If you're thinking you'd like to keep the CPU, motheboard and RAM for the long run and swap out GPU every couple years, thats not a bad way to go.  a high end CPU won't bottleneck new GPUs for at least a few years.  Plus DDR4 memory might not be a huge benefit today, but that will slowly change.  Lots to consider, and I think either 4790k or 5820k are great choices.  You can't go wrong either way.  neither CPU will bottleneck for several years, and at least a couple of GPU generations.

 

Also, both the 970 and 980 can run 4k today.  Linus has a video of running a really cheap GPU at 4k and it does just fine for all but the latest AAA titles.

[NumLock21]

The pro is slightly cheaper than the deluxe

[squid4fl]

 

Alright say i jump down to 4790k and z97 chipset, i still plan on keeping the 970 just because i really dont want to get flagship right now id rather wait and buy a better version that will be able to run good frame rates with just the single gpu at 4k, will there be any hindrance in being able to do that? like i don't want next gpu cycle to run around and turns out that i cant run the graphics card i need on the z97 and the 4790k... would that ever actually happen or am i overthinking things too much.

I'm currently thinking about the same thing because I plan to build a new pc this month.. Personaly I'm leaning towards the 5820K because (considering ram and mobo) it wouldn't be that much more money and i think thats worth it to me (50% more cpu performance. i know, not in games but I'm also using my pc for different things). Plus, CPUs normally age very well whereas gpus become obsolete a bit quicker (more competition maybe? ). Thats why I wouldn't invest in a GPU more expensive than a gtx 970 or r9 290.

 

p.s. I'm going for the X99-A which is much cheaper. But if you need the features go deluxe ofc

[johngo90]

Ok

 

Z97 build: 

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzMDTW

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzMDTW/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.98 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.98 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus Z97-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($179.98 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($116.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($165.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($359.98 @ NCIX US) 

Case: Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $1482.37

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 11:39 EST-0500

 

 

X99 Build:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wcYhZL

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wcYhZL/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.88 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.98 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($372.55 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($234.00 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($165.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($359.98 @ NCIX US) 

Case: Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $1836.85

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 11:50 EST-0500

 

This is just a comparison of the two build. 

 

IMO I would personally go with the Z97 build. The difference in price is about $350. That is another GTX 970. 

 

i7 4790k + GTX 970 SLI vs. i7 5820k + GTX 970. Unless you plan on doing a lot of video editing/rendering, the Z97 is always the better choice. 

 

You can downgrade on certain parts like the motherboard for both builds to save more money. Also I picked a different power supply because I don't know how those CM power supplies do in terms of quality. 

 

 

[NumLock21]

@johngo90

Change some of the parts from your X99 build and bought the price down to even lower.

Build #1

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus X99-PRO ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($301.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($220.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($104.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($329.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1636.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 13:57 EST-0500

 

Build #2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Krait ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($268.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($220.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($104.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($329.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1603.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 13:59 EST-0500

 

Build #3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($208.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($220.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($104.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($329.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1543.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 14:02 EST-0500

 

Reference price is from your Z97 build: $1,482.37, compare to the price difference of the 3 X99 builds.

Build #1: $154.21

Build #2: $121.41

Build #3: $61.40

Cheapest X99 board I've seen, but it's only has 4 ram slots for a single set of quad channel ram.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($146.78 @ Newegg)
Total: $146.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-12 14:08 EST-0500

[brob]

i considered both for quite some time and the only problem that i ran into was making sure that everything will be relevant for years to come? for example it seems as though intel is making the push for the 6 core and 8 core processors while the z97's seem to be reaching the end of their cycle and i don't want to need to replace mobo and cpu or either really when it does come time to upgrade the system to 4k and for what ever else i may decide to do? basically i just want the longevity to be as extreme as possible. also with such a build what would be the highest cpu speed on the 5820k i should overclock to, ive heard of some getting it high like 4.4 but i just dont know how safe that would be. but yes the 4790k is something i have been considering im just quite worried about longevity.

 

The next generation Intel cpu, Broadwell will run on Z97 motherboards. Skylake is expected to run on a new socket, LGA1151. I am not sure that anyone has certain knowledge of how many cores will be in the enthusiast level Skylake cpu.

 

The reason X99 seems hot at the moment is simply because it was just release. It is a decent platform. But it is aimed more at workstation type applications. Both Z97 and X99 will be around for about the same length of time. Over the next few months Z97 is going to heat up a bit with the release of Broadwell cpu. 

 

Z97 motherboards support PCIe 3.0. Since the current generations of gpu don't even come close to saturating that bus, there is no reason to suppose it is going to be replaced anytime soon. Some time in the 2016/2017 time frame PCIe 4.0 will emerge. Like PCIe 3.0, gpu that support 4.0 will be backwards compatible.

 

The only reason I suggest going with Z97 is my belief that it will provide better performance for the dollars spent. There is nothing wrong with going X99 except that it will cost more for the same performance.

[TheAxeMan]

thanks alot guys i definitely will go with the z97 build. with what you said and the extra research i did i feel as though the z97 will work just fine especially if i just opt for a higher speed ddr3 ram. but to shorten things up im going to go with z97 and you guys saved me some money! so thanks alot!