Gaming CPU with productivity needs

[iFishas]

Hi. What is the main difference between AMD CPU and Intel CPU and which is better for gaming and sometimes working with PS, after effects and etc?I have about 500euros budget.

[79wjd]

Intel is better for gaming. An i5 is still the best gaming cpu, but an FX8320 will outperform an i5 in rendering, while an i7 will win across the board.... 

 

Get an i5-4440 + R9 280x at that budget. 

[Fate]

500 euro for just the CPU? Or the whole computer?

[WoodenMarker]

500 euros for what?

Intel currently has better cpus for gaming but which is most suitable will vary depending on pricing.

[CoolaxGaming]

500 euro for just the CPU? Or the whole computer?

I think 500 for a cpu would be eh overkill.

[TheKDub]

Hi. What is the main difference between AMD CPU and Intel CPU and which is better for gaming and sometimes working with PS, after effects and etc?I have about 500euros budget.

Intel - fewer, faster cores.

AMD - more, slower cores.

 

I'd definitely go with intel as their i5s and i7s can easily destroy really any of AMD's cpus.

[sgloux3470]

AMD is more budget oriented, offering performance between the i5-i7 level for a couple of years while being cheaper than both. The new Intel stuff outperforms it completely though.

I would recommend AMD if you're a youtuber/streamer but can't afford an i7. Or you're running a mid range video card like a 270x. A cheap $150 8350 is really great value for that kind of workload.

For strictly gaming, an i5-4690K is at a nice price point.

[79wjd]

AMD is more budget oriented, offering performance between the i5-i7 level for a couple of years while being cheaper than both. The new Intel stuff outperforms it completely though.

I would recommend AMD if you're a youtuber/streamer but can't afford an i7. Or you're running a mid range video card like a 270x. A cheap $150 8350 is really great value for that kind of workload.

For strictly gaming, an i5-4690K is at a nice price point.

AMD's FX chips aren't much cheaper once you consider the need for a higher end board + cooler. 

 

For budget rendering, the 8350 is great since it is priced similarly to an i5 but with better rendering performance, however in gaming an i5 is better making the i5 the better all around choice. 

[Wingfan]

AMD's need after market cooling, so factor in that cost. ( ex. 212 EVO is about $30 +/- )

so the 8350 would actually be $180, possibley more

[sgloux3470]

AMD's FX chips aren't much cheaper once you consider the need for a higher end board + cooler

You don't need a high end board + cooler.

Stock cooler + $80-100 mobo will run fine without overclocking.

You're not going to run an i5 on a $50 motherboard either. That's almost as dumb as a $35 power supply.

[LiamApex]

INTEL

[jnmbhj]

Intel is better for gaming. An i5 is still the best gaming cpu, but an FX8320 will outperform an i5 in rendering, while an i7 will win across the board.... 

 

Get an i5-4440 + R9 280x at that budget. 

the 8320 would out preform a 3570k but the 4690k would beat the 8320 and 8350 at rendering(by about 5-10%) 

[iFishas]

500 euros for whole build. Sorry forgot to mention it.

[79wjd]

You don't need a high end board + cooler.

Stock cooler + $80-100 mobo will run fine without overclocking.

You're not going to run an i5 on a $50 motherboard either. That's almost as dumb as a $35 power supply.

Not at all actually. You can easily run an i5 (hell, even an i7) on an H81 board. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($123.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $273.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:33 EST-0500

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $219.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:33 EST-0500

 

And even with an SLI capable board for Intel, Intel isn't much more:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($115.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $290.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:34 EST-0500

[Wingfan]

 

Not at all actually. You can easily run an i5 (hell, even an i7) on an H81 board. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($123.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $273.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:33 EST-0500

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $219.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:33 EST-0500

 

And even with an SLI capable board for Intel, Intel isn't much more:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($115.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $290.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 12:34 EST-0500

 

Even an i5 with a Z97 board would be cheaper and offer an upgrade path

[79wjd]

Even an i5 with a Z97 board would be cheaper and offer an upgrade path

Although a z97 board that would make that possible wouldn't have SLI support (which was my reasoning for the last 'build' in order to compare comparable boards with comparable features). 

[sgloux3470]

 

Not at all actually. You can easily run an i5 (hell, even an i7) on an H81 board. 

 

*snip*

Atleast compare apples to apples.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($168.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($38.88 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $207.77

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 01:53 EST-0500

 

The board officially supports everything up to the 8370.  Although personally I wouldn't be comfortable with such a cheap board.

 

The first rule of PC building is buy a high quality power supply.  The second rule is buy a high quality motherboard.  Because if either of those two die, they usually take everything else with it.

[79wjd]

Atleast compare apples to apples.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($168.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($38.88 @ OutletPC) 

Total: $207.77

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 01:53 EST-0500

 

The board officially supports everything up to the 8370.  Although personally I wouldn't be comfortable with such a cheap board.

 

The first rule of PC building is buy a high quality power supply.  The second rule is buy a high quality motherboard.  Because if either of those two die, they usually take everything else with it.

Except thats not an apples to apples comparison. You can run an i5 no problem on an h81 board, the same can't be said with an FX8 cpu on that board. 

 

Find me a single instance where a person had an issue running an i5 on an h81 board (from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, or AsRock), I'll wait right here. 

 

Theres a very good reason why these two searches return the results they do: 

i5-4440 + H81: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=i5-4440%20on%20h81%20chipset

FX8350 + 970 chipset: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=fx8350+on+970+chipset

[sgloux3470]

Except thats not an apples to apples comparison. You can run an i5 no problem on an h81 board, the same can't be said with an FX8 cpu on that board. 

 

Find me a single instance where a person had an issue running an i5 on an h81 board (from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, or AsRock), I'll wait right here. 

Just one?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2326578/heat-issue.html

 

 

 

 

You can run a stock FX8 on that motherboard I linked, you'll only have issues if you try and overclock.

 

I've run FX8core on motherboards that didn't officially support  them with no issues as well. (Overclocked, even.)  

[79wjd]

Just one?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2326578/heat-issue.html

 

 

 

 

You can run a stock FX8 on that motherboard I linked, you'll only have issues if you try and overclock.

 

I've run FX8core on motherboards that didn't officially support  them with no issues as well. (Overclocked, even.)

The cpu running hot has nothing to do with the board it's on <_<

Also the guy probably did a poor job of mounting the cooler as the stock cooler is perfectly fine at stock speeds if applied correctly. Plus 70c at load isn't awful.

I'd also love to see proof of an FX8 cpu running on that board without being significantly underclocked.

[ErickS89]

Do you need it NOW or can you wait like 6 months? I'd wait for skylake and the z107 chipset(if that's what they call it).

If you need it now a 4790k is pretty cheap and very easy to overclock.  

 

Is the 500euros for the CPU or an entire system?  If it's an entire system I have to say AMD just because the prices are so low. 

[sgloux3470]

The cpu running hot has nothing to do with the board it's on <_<

I'd also love to see proof of an FX8 cpu running on that board without being significantly underclocked.

It does when a brand new cooler/thermal paste doesn't do much to resolve the issue.  Power delivery has a huge effect on CPU temperature.

 

And while I think it was likely placebo effect, "smelling" the effects of a CPU overheating is generally a sign that something is wrong with the mobo.

 

Most of the reports of throttling I've seen with the board are when people run stress tests, which are known to overdraw on power. (i.e prime95.)  Haven't run it myself so I can't say for sure.  

[79wjd]

It does when a brand new cooler/thermal paste doesn't do much to resolve the issue.  Power delivery has a huge effect on CPU temperature.

 

And while I think it was likely placebo effect, "smelling" the effects of a CPU overheating is generally a sign that something is wrong with the mobo.

 

Most of the reports of throttling I've seen with the board are when people run stress tests, which are known to overdraw on power. (i.e prime95.)  Haven't run it myself so I can't say for sure.

I guarantee it has nothing to do with the board.

And again, 70ºc at load isn't what I would call overheating by any means. Intel CPUs can run at 80-85ºc just fine and still be within a safe range. And thats assuming he mounted the cooler properly/evenly, and assuming the case actually has some airflow -- none of which you know.

Is the 500euros for the CPU or an entire system?  If it's an entire system I have to say AMD just because the prices are so low.

It's for the entire system, and AMD prices aren't any lower once you consider that an FX cpu requires a decent motherboard and aftermarket cooler, which actually makes Intel cheaper.

[i_build_nanosuits]

It does when a brand new cooler/thermal paste doesn't do much to resolve the issue.  Power delivery has a huge effect on CPU temperature.

 

And while I think it was likely placebo effect, "smelling" the effects of a CPU overheating is generally a sign that something is wrong with the mobo.

 

Most of the reports of throttling I've seen with the board are when people run stress tests, which are known to overdraw on power. (i.e prime95.)  Haven't run it myself so I can't say for sure.  

you're funny!

I've read through this entire thread and none of your post made sense.

 

This is as cheap as it gets for an FX ''4 module'' CPU, funny fact i owned this exact kit along with a GTX780 for about 3 months straight so i know what it can do...cheaper boards will trottle that chip in no time flat..so this is your minimum required even for stock operation, the stock amd heatsink his crap to throw aways imediately...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($84.99 @ Micro Center)

Total: $243.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 12:56 EST-0500

 

This is what intel offers for the same amount, stock cooler on this is perfectly fine that chip can't even go beyond 95W under full load and no cheap motherboard will ever trottle that CPU...including the 40$ H81 cheapo boards...and when it comes to gaming this plays games better than my FX-8320@4.6ghz would (tested this already, i run my i7 without hyperthreading at 3ghz and i get this CPU performance, and it's wolrds better) while consuming less than half the energy required to run the overclocked FX.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($176.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($71.95 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $248.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 13:00 EST-0500

 

i'm sorry but for gamers the AMD FX is no longer an option with the prices the way they are right now intel has a better performing CPU for gaming at every price range except in the sub 100$ solution in which i feel the athlon 860K is the better pick...after that it's i3, i5 and i7...all the way up.

[Faa]

It does when a brand new cooler/thermal paste doesn't do much to resolve the issue.  Power delivery has a huge effect on CPU temperature. 

To have a CPU running warmer, it needs more power, CPU's won't just randomly out of the nothing use more power than they need. That makes just no sense. It's the CPU that tells the VRM how much power it needs, not vice versa. If the VRM/PSU can't deliver it, your system will just crash and no harm would be done to your CPU or the CPU starts to throttle and actually runs cooler since it's consuming less power at that point.

 

 

The first rule of PC building is buy a high quality power supply.  The second rule is buy a high quality motherboard.  Because if either of those two die, they usually take everything else with it.

Even servergrade PSU's/motherboards actually can kill the whole system, seen this happening before was some 1000$ Delta (largest & best PSU manufacturer). High quality motherboard, elaborate on what's making a board better quality, your first and last guess would be VRM. My shot -> EVERY intel board meaning the VRM has to be VDR12.5 certified, having more phases is not bringing any reliability to the table, caps are pretty much all japanese and choke quality (copper wires) doesn't matter a fuck.

You don't buy a 300W servergrade PSU with world class performance for your media PC (which probably won't even consume more than 80W DC) but you would buy a 1500W PSU for a system that would consume 1500W, that's just the difference between a 60W CPU and a CPU that easily eats 41Amps (12v = 500W) such as the 5960x at 5.5GHz in prime95 small fft's. You need better quality VRM/PSU once you are dealing with higher wattages, none of those matx boards are even designed for 8350's and the VRM is EXTREMELY outdated. 

Now stop fantasizing nonsense just to defend AMD. Accept it, they aren't cheaper, they are awful for the money.