Highest graphics for FX

[Nuc lover]

My friend runs a 980 on his 8350 and it runs just like a dream. The card doesn't throttle itself down at all during bf4 becuase of a "bottleneck". It runs just like it would on a 4670k

Try to benchmark it and see the minimum fps and you will be shocked to see that the mins are very low

[typographie]

Will a r9 290 bottleneck? @bmwm3186

 

You're not going to have much of an issue with CPU bottlenecks on a 1440p @ 144 Hz display. That's a potentially monstrous GPU load.

 

I would recommend a Nvidia card(s), though, as AMD cards won't be able to make use of Gsync on the Asus ROG Swift.

[Faceman]

My friend runs a 980 on his 8350 and it runs just like a dream. The card doesn't throttle itself down at all during bf4 becuase of a "bottleneck". It runs just like it would on a 4670k

Tell your friend to monitor his GPU loads, because he is in fact bottlenecking that card.  Don't forget about minimums.  Also, you can't use mantle, use DX11, that is when the bottleneck will show.  There are only a handful of games that use Mantle, so you can't really use mantle as your argument.   Yes, games mostly depend on GPU, but there are still 1 out of 5 games that rely on a strong CPU.  And, with a high end GPU like that, you are bottlenecking it in 4 out of 5 games.  Monitor GPU loads and you will quickly see.  You aren't getting a bottleneck because an R9 270X is a good match for an FX8.  Anything above an R9 280X/ GTX770 is going to bottleneck on an FX8.

 

Would I be right to say that you think an FX4 is a bottleneck for a high end GPU?  Well don't be surprised when I tell you that an FX8 is basically an FX4 in terms of performance.

[Majestic]

When you want to run an ROG Swift monitor and actually make use of the 144hz, you have to have a CPU that is capable of actually running higher FPS than 60. AMD FX CPU's aren't those kind of CPU's. Even Intel's will struggle..

[SkilledRebuilds]

Even with pushing HIGHER spec details and making it even moreso GPU bound with an FX processor, averages may be similar, but MIN>MAX is still shot to shit in comparison and makes a not so nice experience (in comparison)

If you've never tried both ecosystems using the same GPU then you may never think bottle-necking affects you, but it can and does in those situations where the FX CPU is a little too weak for the job...

 

It doesn't matter if it's using 100% of 1 core, or evenly spread out 90% across all cores, the IPC is STILL lacklustre for todays 'Minimum>Maximum Gaming framerates' that people are expecting with their new shiny $400+ GPU's.

[Aniallation]

I don't really care about the performance because the games i play are fine(CS:GO, Old NFS games, Old GTA game, etc) No, it was stupid AMD TurboCore thing that caused it to freeze a lot, it wasn't VRM problems. I disabled TurboCore and downvolted it because why not? I heard @Aniallation said that you could downvolt the 8320 on stock speeds...

 

I have a M5A97 R2.0 which is 4+2. 

http://valid.x86.fr/9kruq9

Yeah you can downvolt the 8320 on stock speeds if you do decent in the chip lottery, because unless you get a bad chip then the 8320 doesn't need all the voltage that AMD gives it out of the factory to run at the rated clock speeds. 

 

Also yeah 4+2, still less then 6+2, still works fine. I fail to see why people think 6+2 is mandatory with FX chips, because it isn't. What you do want though is sufficient cooling for the VRMs (heatsinked, and at least some airflow over the heatsinks), just like you would want for everything else in your PC that produces heat 

[Clyne]

Yeah you can downvolt the 8320 on stock speeds if you do decent in the chip lottery, because unless you get a bad chip then the 8320 doesn't need all the voltage that AMD gives it out of the factory to run at the rated clock speeds. 

 

Also yeah 4+2, still less then 6+2, still works fine. I fail to see why people think 6+2 is mandatory with FX chips, because it isn't. What you do want though is sufficient cooling for the VRMs (heatsinked, and at least some airflow over the heatsinks), just like you would want for everything else in your PC that produces heat 

I have two fans blowing on my VRMs because i know VRMs get hot on FX CPUs......

I have to run a weird fan config for my rig to have the lowest temp as possible.. 3 Intake fans and 1 outtake fan...

[Aniallation]

3 Intake fans and 1 outtake fan...

Same with me.

[Faceman]

Yeah you can downvolt the 8320 on stock speeds if you do decent in the chip lottery, because unless you get a bad chip then the 8320 doesn't need all the voltage that AMD gives it out of the factory to run at the rated clock speeds. 

 

Also yeah 4+2, still less then 6+2, still works fine. I fail to see why people think 6+2 is mandatory with FX chips, because it isn't. What you do want though is sufficient cooling for the VRMs (heatsinked, and at least some airflow over the heatsinks), just like you would want for everything else in your PC that produces heat 

Even the least expensive 4+2 VRM phase motherboard costs the same as the 8+2 Gigabyte motherboard.  It still equals the same price as a locked i5.  Mandatory might be too extreme because there are rare cases of people having it work like Bubblewhale, although he has to have fans pointed directly at it.  Its just not ideal.  Anything less than 4+2 and chances are you will experience throttling.  Just because it works, doesn't mean it is ideal.  Lots of people pair these low end motherboards with insufficient VRMs or insufficient cooling on the VRMs and run into problems.  So to avoid these problems, you have to buy these higher end motherboards that negative the cost of the less expensive processor. Don't forget the $13+ per year you are spending on electricity without an OC.  Overclocking increases that number. It just doesn't make sense.  We say 6+2 VRM phases are mandatory because you are so much less likely to run into problems with one compared to a 3+1 or 4+2 VRM phase motherboard, and this is for stock operation.

 

I have two fans blowing on my VRMs because i know VRMs get hot on FX CPUs......

I have to run a weird fan config for my rig to have the lowest temp as possible.. 3 Intake fans and 1 outtake fan...

What happens when you don't have those fans blowing on your VRMs?  Do you throttle or crash or experience anything unwanted?

[i_build_nanosuits]

That's only on gpu based games like Crysis 3 but not for games like Battlefield 4 the 270 is the maximum for the 8350

that's complete bullshit i was maxing out my GTX780 playing BF4 multiplayer...it was about the only game that was running flawless on the FX btw.

[Clyne]

Even the least expensive 4+2 VRM phase motherboard costs the same as the 8+2 Gigabyte motherboard.  It still equals the same price as a locked i5.  Mandatory might be too extreme because there are rare cases of people having it work like Bubblewhale, although he has to have fans pointed directly at it.  Its just not ideal.  Anything less than 4+2 and chances are you will experience throttling.  Just because it works, doesn't mean it is ideal.  Lots of people pair these low end motherboards with insufficient VRMs or insufficient cooling on the VRMs and run into problems.  So to avoid these problems, you have to buy these higher end motherboards that negative the cost of the less expensive processor. Don't forget the $13+ per year you are spending on electricity without an OC.  Overclocking increases that number. It just doesn't make sense.  We say 6+2 VRM phases are mandatory because you are so much less likely to run into problems with one compared to a 3+1 or 4+2 VRM phase motherboard, and this is for stock operation.

 

What happens when you don't have those fans blowing on your VRMs?  Do you throttle or crash or experience anything unwanted?

I wanted Asus because i wanted reliability and features, NOT PERFORMANCE.

Yet still even tho i have no fans in my case except the stock cooler, everything is fine.

Even using a M5A97 LE R2.0 with a 125W TDP CPU will be fine. It's just more recommended to have VRM heatsinks.

[Faceman]

I wanted Asus because i wanted reliability and features, NOT PERFORMANCE.

Yet still even tho i have no fans in my case except the stock cooler, everything is fine.

Even using a M5A97 LE R2.0 with a 125W TDP CPU will be fine. It's just more recommended to have VRM heatsinks.

Yea, I'm an Asus motherboard lover too.

I thought you just said you have two fans pointed directly at your VRMs?

I don't think you will be ok with the LE.  It is a 4+2, but it is not heatsinked.  There are many people having problems with the LE, I make a point to tell people to not get the LE when I recommend the M5A97 R2.0 motherboard.

 

There are just so many instances of people having problems with less VRM phase motherboards.  I'm glad that it works for you, I forget if you're able to OC or not, but at least it works at stock, because there are many people who have problems with AM3+ motherboards not working even at stock. 

 

@Aniallation

Why would you recommend a motherboard that has a 50/50 chance of working or not?  I just don't get it. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Yea, I'm an Asus motherboard lover too.

I don't think you will be ok with the LE.  It is a 4+2, but it is not heatsinked.  There are many people having problems with the LE, I make a point to tell people to not get the LE when I recommend the M5A97 R2.0 motherboard.

 

There are just so many instances of people having problems with less VRM phase motherboards.  I'm glad that it works for you, I forget if you're able to OC or not, but at least it works at stock, because there are many people who have problems with AM3+ motherboards not working even at stock. 

 

@Aniallation

Why would you recommend a motherboard that has a 50/50 chance of working or not?  I just don't get it. 

it will always work until it pops anyways...and the smoke smell funny...

i had great fun overclocking my AMD FX on the 8+2 power phase motherboard but EVEN THEN when i sent 1.5v through the CPU for a cinebench world record attempt (well...maybe not lol ) the board was getting really hot and it was STILL throttling down the CPU.

I highly recommend A SOLID board to overclock the 8 core parts.

[Clyne]

Yea, I'm an Asus motherboard lover too.

I thought you just said you have two fans pointed directly at your VRMs?

I don't think you will be ok with the LE.  It is a 4+2, but it is not heatsinked.  There are many people having problems with the LE, I make a point to tell people to not get the LE when I recommend the M5A97 R2.0 motherboard.

 

There are just so many instances of people having problems with less VRM phase motherboards.  I'm glad that it works for you, I forget if you're able to OC or not, but at least it works at stock, because there are many people who have problems with AM3+ motherboards not working even at stock. 

 

@Aniallation

Why would you recommend a motherboard that has a 50/50 chance of working or not?  I just don't get it. 

I have Corsair AF120 PE fans, loud as hell under load so i usually turn them down to lowest RPM or silent mode in Fan Xpert. 

People say that the M5A97 R2.0 is fine at stock speeds with a FX 8xxx cpu. 

Here's an example of an M5A97 LE R2.0

http://www.clanaod.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91229

[i_build_nanosuits]

I have Corsair AF120 PE fans, loud as hell under load so i usually turn them down to lowest RPM or silent mode in Fan Xpert. 

People say that the M5A97 R2.0 is fine at stock speeds with a FX 8xxx cpu. 

Here's an example of an M5A97 LE R2.0

http://www.clanaod.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91229

the R2.0 is indeed fine for a stock FX8, the LE is fine for a stock FX-6300 and not much more.

As i said, it will work...sure it will work...until you blow the VRM's and kill the CPU.

EDIT: Saw the post, this guy is crazy...1.45v on a 4 phase not heatsinked motherboard is pure suicide.

Edited January 8, 2015 by i_build_nanosuits

[KingKeith55]

Im using a FX-6300 and a R9 270X.

 

I dont really see bottlenecking, I have a 85Hz CRT.

 

 

However he does have a point, in CPU intensive games my FX-6300 is at around 50-90%.

 

FX 8320/8350 is not the best choice for the price, FX 6300 is cheaper and you wont see much of a difference. Besides since I spent little on this, If I ever need to I can always go intel because I didnt fork out that much on my current CPU/Mobo.

 

I might not switch though, my FX-6300 is a "Golden Chip"

 

I can OC it to 4.0GHz on stock cooler without any real temperature difference or any overvolting. Highest I went was like 4.2GHz (Might have been 4.3) Because it went up to 30 degrees idle

 

Actually I have it running at 4.0GHz right now, and its idling at around 28c 

 

this is on a stock cooler my friends.

 

Il probably try to push it if I get an aftermarket cooler.

[Faceman]

I have Corsair AF120 PE fans, loud as hell under load so i usually turn them down to lowest RPM or silent mode in Fan Xpert. 

People say that the M5A97 R2.0 is fine at stock speeds with a FX 8xxx cpu. 

Here's an example of an M5A97 LE R2.0

http://www.clanaod.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91229

Right, thats what we're all saying, that motherboard is fine for stock operation.  With the occasional person being able to overclock.  The thing is, it costs the same as the 8+2 VRM phase motherboard which allows for both stock and overclocking with much less issues, if any.  It ends up costing the same as a locked i5.

 

Scroll down, he says

 

"Its wasn't as stable as i thought, crashed yesterday so i reverted back to stock till i can do more research.

It wouldn't boot to windows (just black screened) and on the asus splash screen i couldn't press f2/del because it wasn't detecting my keyboard until right at the end and it was too late.....then crash."

 

[Clyne]

Right, thats what we're all saying, that motherboard is fine for stock operation.  With the occasional person being able to overclock.  The thing is, it costs the same as the 8+2 VRM phase motherboard which allows for both stock and overclocking with much less issues, if any.  It ends up costing the same as a locked i5.

 

Scroll down, he says

 

"Its wasn't as stable as i thought, crashed yesterday so i reverted back to stock till i can do more research.

It wouldn't boot to windows (just black screened) and on the asus splash screen i couldn't press f2/del because it wasn't detecting my keyboard until right at the end and it was too late.....then crash."

 

And later he reached 4.2GHZ at 1.43V

[Faceman]

Im using a FX-6300 and a R9 270X.

 

I dont really see bottlenecking, I have a 85Hz CRT.

 

 

However he does have a point, in CPU intensive games my FX-6300 is at around 50-90%.

 

FX 8320/8350 is not the best choice for the price, FX 6300 is cheaper and you wont see much of a difference. Besides since I spent little on this, If I ever need to I can always go intel because I didnt fork out that much on my current CPU/Mobo.

 

I might not switch though, my FX-6300 is a "Golden Chip"

 

I can OC it to 4.0GHz on stock cooler without any real temperature difference or any overvolting. Highest I went was like 4.2GHz (Might have been 4.3) Because it went up to 30 degrees idle

 

Actually I have it running at 4.0GHz right now, and its idling at around 28c 

 

this is on a stock cooler my friends.

 

Il probably try to push it if I get an aftermarket cooler.

Thats because an R9 270X is a fine match for an FX6, you won't experience bottlenecking except in CPU bound titles.

 

FX4/6/8 all performs very similar.  Games just don't benefit from more cores being thrown at them. A man who knows a lot more about this than me did some research and found, to the surprise of no one, that games just aren't using more than 4 threads, and the ones that do, aren't benefiting as much as you would think from those extra cores/threads.  I'm going to link you over to his comparison between the FX4300 and FX8320.  It is a great read with a lot of interesting information, as well as a few links to other more reputable review websites doing testing on many popular mainstream games.

[Faceman]

And later he reached 4.2GHZ at 1.43V

Ahh ok, didn't see that. 

 

It is still a rare result and definitely not recommended.  I foresee that not working for much longer.

[Aniallation]

@Aniallation

Why would you recommend a motherboard that has a 50/50 chance of working or not?  I just don't get it. 

Why are we talking about motherboards in a thread about graphics cards?  I just don't get it. 

 

 

Even the least expensive 4+2 VRM phase motherboard costs the same as the 8+2 Gigabyte motherboard.  It still equals the same price as a locked i5.  Mandatory might be too extreme because there are rare cases of people having it work like Bubblewhale, although he has to have fans pointed directly at it.  Its just not ideal.  Anything less than 4+2 and chances are you will experience throttling.  Just because it works, doesn't mean it is ideal.  Lots of people pair these low end motherboards with insufficient VRMs or insufficient cooling on the VRMs and run into problems.  So to avoid these problems, you have to buy these higher end motherboards that negative the cost of the less expensive processor. Don't forget the $13+ per year you are spending on electricity without an OC.  Overclocking increases that number. It just doesn't make sense.  We say 6+2 VRM phases are mandatory because you are so much less likely to run into problems with one compared to a 3+1 or 4+2 VRM phase motherboard, and this is for stock operation.

However you make it sound like you NEED a 6+2 motherboard even for stock speeds or else your house will catch on fire. That's definitely not the case, and it's not just bubblewhale. I've been running my 1075T on my 4+1 Asus for three years with no issues, and there hasn't been a top fan blowing down on the VRMs from when it was built up to about two weeks ago when I switched cases to my N200.

 

I understand that you suggest 6+2 and 8+2 motherboards to people and that's definitely something that I agree with and do for people myself. However saying that 6+2 is mandatory for stable operation at stock speeds would be misleading information. And besides we don't even know what motherboard the OP has, so let's drop the topic of motherboards and CPUs, respect the OP's decision and not make them be in a state of regret, and continue the GPU discussion that this thread is for.

[Faceman]

Why are we talking about motherboards in a thread about graphics cards?  I just don't get it. 

 

 

However you make it sound like you NEED a 6+2 motherboard even for stock speeds or else your house will catch on fire. That's definitely not the case, and it's not just bubblewhale. I've been running my 1075T on my 4+1 Asus for three years with no issues, and there hasn't been a top fan blowing down on the VRMs from when it was built up to about two weeks ago when I switched cases to my N200.

 

I understand that you suggest 6+2 and 8+2 motherboards to people and that's definitely something that I agree with and do for people myself. However saying that 6+2 is mandatory for stable operation at stock speeds would be misleading information. And besides we don't even know what motherboard the OP has, so let's drop the topic of motherboards and CPUs, respect the OP's decision and not make them be in a state of regret, and continue the GPU discussion that this thread is for.

It started because I said i5 costs the same as FX8. To which you replied with just the cost of processors. You cannot compare just the price of processor alone because of the motherboard issues discussed above. I never say running a less than 6+2 VRMs motherboard will burn your house down. Don't be so dramatic. If you recommend 6+2 also then why are you even arguing? It's basically a 50/50 crap shoot that anything less will work, why would you risk or condone that?

I'm upset at the OP because he created many threads on this forum asking the same thing, FX8 or i5. Everyone told him i5 because it costs THE SAME without bottlenecking.

[Aniallation]

It started because I said i5 costs the same as FX8. To which you replied with just the cost of processors. You cannot compare just the price of processor alone because of the motherboard issues discussed above

Should be more specific about your words rather then saying i5 costs the same as FX8 because that doesn't mention motherboard...

 

I'm upset at the OP because he created many threads on this forum asking the same thing, FX8 or i5. Everyone told him i5 because it costs THE SAME without bottlenecking.

Dude, so are we, I know that OP has created many threads on this forum asking that question and I was one of the people who told him to get an i5 as well. You're not the only one that noticed and is upset, but it's not our fault that the FX was chosen. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Whats the highest graphics for the 8350? For steam, mmo, and photography? I currently have a 750 ti

assuming 1080p 60hz gaming here:

for modern games you'd be happy around the r9 280 or GTX760 levels, for mmo's i would think that the fx cpu will be the limiting factor in many games even with your current 750ti...

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929-7.html

To put it nicely, the FX-8370E is a true middle-of-the-road CPU. Using it only makes sense as long as the graphics card you choose comes from a similar performance segment.

Depending on the game in question, AMD’s new processor has the potential to keep you happy around the AMD Radeon R9 270X/285 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 or 660 Ti level.

A higher- or even high-end graphics card doesn’t make sense, as pairing it with AMD's FX-8370E simply limits the card's potential.

 

From my personal experience (i used an FX8 for about 3 months and i've tested MANY games with it) i must say i have to agree with toms on this one.

[Nuc lover]

that's complete bullshit i was maxing out my GTX780 playing BF4 multiplayer...it was about the only game that was running flawless on the FX btw.

You're probably a retard having the mighty 780 withe the useless piece of junk called fx-8350 that cpu is total crap ;  i was misguided by the internet and Amd fanboys like yourself and i bought one before and it was so bad my framerates were dropping like crazy and i solved that by buying an intel 4670k i'm not saying that Amd are crap because they make great Gpu's i had several ones in the past and i have one now but when it comes to Gaming cpu's they just always lose to Intel hahaha Bang for the buck my ass