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Alright, so I will be better off with a i7, but if I can't get one for the right price will an i5 do?

Yep. Aslong it's not a 8350. It's just simple, most games usually have one main thread and a few trashthreads which rely on the mainthread, streaming loads every core with a bunch of crap and as we know AMD's single core performance being horrible that main thread's performance is extremely sensitive. Not much of a point having relatively good streaming performance when your game is running at 15 fps. Most massive multiplayer games 8350's run at 15 fps without streaming, add another good taxing fee and that would come down to 10 fps.

Around 16:00 he starts showing the streaming results, look at how awful the minimum fps were getting that's what I meant. Looking at most encoding benchmarks on the net, I see the i5 doing nearly in all benchmarks better than the 8350 so totally no reason to get a 8350 for streaming. I wouldn't bother with what many AMD fanatics here are saying, take Fooshi for example, next day he'll be saying the same shit "no difference between AMD & Intel in Arma 3". This is the 5th time orsomething he's getting proven wrong. Not sure why you would trap in their lies though, I mean two QX9775's which are from 2008 on a dual socket board at 4.2GHz outperforms a 9590 meaning the singlethreaded performance is even much better on C2Q.

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About the i5 vs i7, well Hyperthreading usually adds a 30% boost, so yeah 30% more FPS theoretically, up to you if that's worth it or not.

 

What evidence do you have to support low framerate during him streaming? I understand you were trying to be funny, but it's pretty ignorant as well.

And considering the fact that you can get nearly the same performance for almost $100 less by getting the 8350, it all comes down to personal preference. 

Your decision to buy a 8350 by thinking you get nearly the same performance for almost 100$ less being a personal preference is what I would call ignorant. You wouldnt even notice any performance degradation if 4 of your 8 cores died, that should tell you enough how really useless 8 cores are just for gaming only. For the same price you're getting almost up to twice as much fps in CPU limited titles so let's stop mything about it's price/performance. I bet our good friend at AMD Richard Huddy who's a PR leader orsomething yolo's a 5960x at home to test the full potential out of his GPU's. No wonder AMD is shipping Intel CPU's for their GPU reviews.

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How is $184 a lower price than a 3570k ($160+10) you said nominally low price, my bad. You also didn't take shipping into consideration and that's also just the starting bid. It's still cheaper to go with a 3570k though.

 

Listen, I'm sorry if I came across as rude. I just have a very short fuse, if you know what I mean. But I'm just trying to say, if you spend like $20 more (if you're spending like $160 anyway, $20 isn't much) You can get the processor and the mobo. The processor having the ability to outperform the $160 CPU anyway.

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Looks good, still has a warranty as well which is nice. 

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alright. hopefully its still there is a couple of days 

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Completely understandable, maybe I'll just stay away from these threads in the future, there's so many of them and it always ends up as a shitfest. 

I need to learn that no matter what I say or no matter what benchmarks I provide, some people are still going to disagree without providing any evidence. 

 

I'm done reading this thread, if you want to PM with concerns/questions you can, but I won't continue on with this one.

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The 8320 is a lower clock and still needs very similar voltages to keep stable I believe? I'd suggest the newer 8370E or something with a lower TDP and better overclocks with much much lower temps and voltages.

nope its the same chip and from what i've seen it uses the same voltages (1.375ish) at lower clocks but can overclock the same on that stock voltage around 4-4.2ghz...

my 8320 has run at 4.5 daily for months on 1.45v and ran it at 4.7ghz for a while before that. and got a cinebench of 790 at just under 5ghz and with maybe another pass could crack 800, not bad for a chip that costs the same as an i3....

the "E" chips are a great idea and should of been done sooner....but truth be told they're just normal chips with a base de-clock and the stock voltage lowered, read some reviews and you'll see they'll overclock the same. you could get an 8320 overclock it to 4ghz and still possibly undervolt it and make it a 105w TDP chip theoretically.

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I never said it was "the best processor in the world". I'm agreeing with Tek Syndicate. I'll get whatever gets the job done. It just so happens that the 8350 will get the job done for a lower price. 

ebay? Oh boy, I have that too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8350-Black-Edition-4-GHz-Eight-Core-FD8350FRHKBOX-Processor-/111556887172?

pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f94f0284

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157323

$130+$54 = $184. Still a nominally low price for a bundle. 

Since Tek Syndicate has already proven that the 8350 can outperform the 3570k, why not?

 

I really... really wouldn't recommend such a cheap board for a power hungry chip, VRM cooling is a harsh mistress with these CPUs and cheap boards end causing more problems from my milling about in the club over on OCN

 

Listen, I'm sorry if I came across as rude. I just have a very short fuse, if you know what I mean. But I'm just trying to say, if you spend like $20 more (if you're spending like $160 anyway, $20 isn't much) You can get the processor and the mobo. The processor having the ability to outperform the $160 CPU anyway.

 

Much better! and a grown up way of doing things, congrats, again I wouldn't suggest cheap boards with these chips.

 

Completely understandable, maybe I'll just stay away from these threads in the future, there's so many of them and it always ends up as a shitfest. 

I need to learn that no matter what I say or no matter what benchmarks I provide, some people are still going to disagree without providing any evidence. 

 

I'm done reading this thread, if you want to PM with concerns/questions you can, but I won't continue on with this one.

 

See, with all due respect the fellow has apologized to you and now you're kinda in the mentality where you're spitting your dummy out. You DO have input and you SHOULD exercise it as I do regardless of what goes down in those threads. The main reason misinformation is spread so well is from people taking a back seat who have put in research and time and even effort, don't let that stop you trying to help people and just take it as face value when things go all pear shaped. I get a bit miffed with the whole AMD bottle neck multiple GPUs when I talk to people who run 4x GPU's on AMD with little complaints and EVEN OWN INTEL RIGS...

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I never said it was "the best processor in the world". I'm agreeing with Tek Syndicate. I'll get whatever gets the job done. It just so happens that the 8350 will get the job done for a lower price. 

ebay? Oh boy, I have that too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8350-Black-Edition-4-GHz-Eight-Core-FD8350FRHKBOX-Processor-/111556887172?

pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f94f0284

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157323

$130+$54 = $184. Still a nominally low price for a bundle. 

Since Tek Syndicate has already proven that the 8350 can outperform the 3570k, why not?

Tek Syndicate is wrong.

Every other source on the internet has them as wrong.  They are the only ones claiming this.  They also claim an APU with GTX 780 outperforms an i7-4770k + 780.  Yea, they are real reputable.

 

So, you want to recommend him that motherboard?  Will you also be writing him a check when his motherboard dies abruptly in the first day of use because its VRMs are no where near strong enough for an 8 core CPU?  You don't get it.  The Intel option is the better option and the less expensive option.

 

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Buy a new or used i5-3570k or i7-3770k.  Pair it with a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or better.  You will get worlds better performance in games and streaming.  This is not up for debate. It has been proven time and time again.

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I never said it was "the best processor in the world". I'm agreeing with Tek Syndicate. I'll get whatever gets the job done. It just so happens that the 8350 will get the job done for a lower price. 

ebay? Oh boy, I have that too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8350-Black-Edition-4-GHz-Eight-Core-FD8350FRHKBOX-Processor-/111556887172?

pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f94f0284

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157323

$130+$54 = $184. Still a nominally low price for a bundle. 

Since Tek Syndicate has already proven that the 8350 can outperform the 3570k, why not?

Although that board... no I wouldn't recommend!

 

anyway someone serious about streaming should be looking at accelerated encoding from the GPU, Intel has QuickSync, AMD has VCE/OpenCL (works nice in obs) and nvidia has shadowplay.

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nope its the same chip and from what i've seen it uses the same voltages (1.375ish) at lower clocks but can overclock the same on that stock voltage around 4-4.2ghz...

my 8320 has run at 4.5 daily for months on 1.45v and ran it at 4.7ghz for a while before that. and got a cinebench of 790 at just under 5ghz and with maybe another pass could crack 800, not bad for a chip that costs the same as an i3....

the "E" chips are a great idea and should of been done sooner....but truth be told they're just normal chips with a base de-clock and the stock voltage lowered, read some reviews and you'll see they'll overclock the same. you could get an 8320 overclock it to 4ghz and still possibly undervolt it and make it a 105w TDP chip theoretically.

 

I've seen a few of them clock better than none E versions with lower VCORE, hence why I brought it up, I know the 8320 is the same as my cpu but the binning process is what defines them (I think, keep hearing conflicting things) I know you have to be kinda lucky to hit 5ghz on the 8320 as a few can't hit it over on OCN.

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Tek Syndicate is wrong.

Every other source on the internet has them as wrong.  They are the only ones claiming this.  They also claim an APU with GTX 780 outperforms an i7-4770k + 780.  Yea, they are real reputable.

 

So, you want to recommend him that motherboard?  Will you also be writing him a check when his motherboard dies abruptly in the first day of use because its VRMs are no where near strong enough for an 8 core CPU?  You don't get it.  The Intel option is the better option and the less expensive option.

 

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Buy a new or used i5-3570k or i7-3770k.  Pair it with a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or better.  You will get worlds better performance in games and streaming.  This is not up for debate. It has been proven time and time again.

 

I thought AMD was the budget option? I can see "better" but "less expensive"? Seems every day things change. 

And when someone goes as far as to order off of ebay, a cheap motherboard isn't that hard to fathom.

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Although that board... no I wouldn't recommend!

 

anyway someone serious about streaming should be looking at accelerated encoding from the GPU, Intel has QuickSync, AMD has VCE/OpenCL (works nice in obs) and nvidia has shadowplay.

 

Yeah, when streaming I either use OBS or nvidia Shadowplay.

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I thought AMD was the budget option? Seems every day things change.

And when someone goes as far as to order off of ebay, a cheap motherboard isn't that hard to fathom.

AMD is not the budget option. $200 = $200.

 

What people forget to include with FX processors is they require medium to high end motherboards just to run stable at stock.  This means 4+2 VRMs with heat sinks for stock operation.  8+2 is recommended for overclocking.  This means the least expensive motherboard capable of powering the FX8 adequately at stock is the Asus M5A97 R2.0 which is usually $60-$70.  Right now it is uncharacteristically at $88.  The most recommended AM3+ motherboard is the Gigabyte GA-970-UD3P with a full 8+2 VRM phase design that costs $75.  Add that up and you get

 

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Are you really saying its the budget option because of $4?  This isn't even taking into account the $10 extra you will be paying per year on electric bills by going with a stock FX8 compared to stock i5.  That is a conservative estimate by the way.  If you want overclocking, add in expensive cooling, plus the power bill goes up even more.  All while bottlenecking high end GPUs, and limiting you to just 4 out of 5 games when the stock Intel i5 plays 5 out of 5 games and doesn't bottlenecked high end GPUs.

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($186.96 @ Newegg Canada)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Memory Express)

Total: $226.95

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($141.96 @ Newegg Canada)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($30.98 @ DirectCanada)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($98.50 @ Vuugo)

Total: $271.44

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United Kingdom:

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£131.20 @ Aria PC)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  (£101.50 @ Amazon UK)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (£24.97 @ Amazon UK)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (£63.54 @ Aria PC)

Total: £190.01

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Italy:

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€173.38 @ Amazon Italia)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€41.17 @ Amazon Italia)

Total: €214.55

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  (€131.67 @ Amazon Italia)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€47.08 @ Amazon Italia)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (€84.28 @ Amazon Italia)

Total: €263.03

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Spain:

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€165.00 @ Amazon Espana)

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€40.09 @ Amazon Espana)

Total: €205.09

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  (€127.99 @ Amazon Espana)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€47.30 @ Amazon Espana)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (€85.83 @ Amazon Espana)

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Want to try and find a cheaper option for AMD?  Be my guest.  Here is the AM3+ Motherboard Phasing Guide.  You need at least 6+2, but recommended 8+2.

 

 

Benchmarks:

http://www.hardcorew...-4340-review/2/

http://www.hardwarep...8-games-tested/

http://www.tomshardw...cpu,3929-7.html

http://www.anandtech...w-vishera-95w/3

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/14

 

 

"To put it nicely, the FX-8370E is a true middle-of-the-road CPU. Using it only makes sense as long as the graphics card you choose comes from a similar performance segment.

Depending on the game in question, AMD’s new processor has the potential to keep you happy around the AMD Radeon R9 270X/285 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 or 660 Ti level.

A higher- or even high-end graphics card doesn’t make sense, as pairing it with AMD's FX-8370E simply limits the card's potential."

 

"This is a huge result – it wasn’t until we used a Haswell core CPU that the R9 280X  was able to deliver consistent frame times and a 60 FPS frame rate in Assassin’s Creed IV. All three AMD CPUs we used – even the FX 8350 – and the Ivy Bridge Core i3 would deliver a sub 60 FPS frame rate, with frame spikes throughout the benchmark run.

In this case, the Core i3 4340 allows the R9 280X GPU to run at maximum potential, just like the Core i5 (and Core i7 would)."

 

"Pop over to the gaming scatter, though, and the picture changes dramatically. There, the FX-8350 is the highest-performance AMD desktop processor to date for gaming, finally toppling the venerable Phenom II X4 980. Yet the FX-8350's gaming performance almost exactly matches that of the Core i3-3225, a $134 Ivy Bridge-based processor. Meanwhile, the Core i5-3470 delivers markedly superior gaming performance for less money than the FX-8350. The FX-8350 isn't exactly bad for video games—its performance was generally acceptable in our tests. But it is relatively weak compared to the competition.

This strange divergence between the two performance pictures isn't just confined to gaming, of course. The FX-8350 is also relatively pokey in image processing applications, in SunSpider, and in the less widely multithreaded portions of our video encoding tests. Many of these scenarios rely on one or several threads, and the FX-8350 suffers compared to recent Intel chips in such cases. Still, the contrast between the FX-8350 and the Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips isn't nearly as acute as it was with the older FX processors. Piledriver's IPC gains and that 4GHz base clock have taken the edge off of our objections.

The other major consideration here is power consumption, and really, the FX-8350 isn't even the same class of product as the Ivy Bridge Core i5 processors on this front. There's a 48W gap between the TDP ratings of the Core i5 parts and the FX-8350, but in our tests, the actual difference at the wall socket between two similarly configured systems under load was over 100W. That gap is large enough to force the potential buyer to think deeply about the class of power supply, case, and CPU cooler he needs for his build. One could definitely get away with less expensive components for a Core i5 system."

 

"The FX-8370E stretches its legs a little in terms of minimum frame rates, particularly in SLI, however it is handily beaten by the i3-4330."

 

"Average frametimes did not do AMD’s processors any justice either. As we already said the game was fluid with i7 and i5’s, and somewhat playable with the i3 processor line. When we switched to FX CPUs not only did we have worse framerate but the gameplay was simply put, laggy."

 

I also want to throw in these power consumption graphs.

 

Top graph is power draw during Far Cry 3.  This is a good example because Far Cry 3 hits both the CPU and GPU adequately.   Some games will draw more power, some less, so this is a good middle of the road example.

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The Below graph is during a x264 Encoding Benchmark with all processors at stock speeds.

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Power consumption is another aspect of the FX CPU that needs to be talked about.  It draws so much more power than the Intel equivalent, that in just 2-3 years of use, the FX will end up costing you even more money.  Of course some places it is less expensive for energy than others, but you cannot deny that there is a 100W+ difference between an FX8 and an i5.  This power disparity only grows the further you overclock the FX.

 

I will use the average price of residential electricity in the U.S., which is $0.1294c per KWh according to EIA in September 2014.  I wish I could exclude Hawaii, because the electricity there kinda skews things unfavorably, so for this example, we will assume the average price is a flat $0.12 per KWh.  We will also assume that the overclocked FX power draw is 100W higher than the stock i5(which is more realistic being as most FX8 users don't OC to 4.7Ghz).  Lastly, lets assume that the average gamer plays for two hours per day, with an additional 2 hours of regular use(non-gaming), so lets just call it 3 hours a day to make it easy.

 

Power Consumption = 100W

Hours of Use Per Day = 3

Energy Consumed Per Day = .3 KWh

Price Per Killowatt Hour = $0.12

 

Energy Cost Per Day = $0.036

Energy Cost Per Month = $1.08

Energy Cost Per Year = $13.14

 

With our quick and dirty calculation, we see that the difference between the FX and i5 is going to add up to over $10 per year.  With most of us wanting to keep our components as long as possible before having to upgrade, owning components for 2-3 years, and sometimes even longer, is not out of the question.

 

 

If you would like to calculate this for yourself, you will need to find out what the cost of energy is where you are located, and these two formulas:

Energy consumption calculation

The energy E in kilowatt-hours (kWh) per day is equal to the power P in watts (W) times number of usage hours per day t divided by 1000 watts per kilowatt:

E(kWh/day) = P(W) × t(h/day) / 1000(W/kW)

Energy cost calculation

The energy cost per day in dollars is equal to the energy consumption E in kWh per day times the energy cost of 1 kWh in cents/kWh divided by 100 cents per dollar:

Cost($/day) = E(kWh/day) × Cost(cent/kWh) / 100(cent/$)

 

-Source

 

 

Referring to the FX as the budget option, or good for its price needs to stop.  $200 equals $200 but the performance of one does not equal the other in games.

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Alright, so I will be better off with a i7, but if I can't get one for the right price will an i5 do?

Yep. Aslong it's not a 8350. It's just simple, most games usually have one main thread and a few trashthreads which rely on the mainthread, streaming loads every core with a bunch of crap and as we know AMD's single core performance being horrible that main thread's performance is extremely sensitive. Not much of a point having relatively good streaming performance when your game is running at 15 fps. Most massive multiplayer games 8350's run at 15 fps without streaming, add another good taxing fee and that would come down to 10 fps.

Around 16:00 he starts showing the streaming results, look at how awful the minimum fps were getting that's what I meant. Looking at most encoding benchmarks on the net, I see the i5 doing nearly in all benchmarks better than the 8350 so totally no reason to get a 8350 for streaming. I wouldn't bother with what many AMD fanatics here are saying, take Fooshi for example, next day he'll be saying the same shit "no difference between AMD & Intel in Arma 3". This is the 5th time orsomething he's getting proven wrong. Not sure why you would trap in their lies though, I mean two QX9775's which are from 2008 on a dual socket board at 4.2GHz outperforms a 9590 meaning the singlethreaded performance is even much better on C2Q.

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About the i5 vs i7, well Hyperthreading usually adds a 30% boost, so yeah 30% more FPS theoretically, up to you if that's worth it or not.

 

What evidence do you have to support low framerate during him streaming? I understand you were trying to be funny, but it's pretty ignorant as well.

And considering the fact that you can get nearly the same performance for almost $100 less by getting the 8350, it all comes down to personal preference. 

Your decision to buy a 8350 by thinking you get nearly the same performance for almost 100$ less being a personal preference is what I would call ignorant. You wouldnt even notice any performance degradation if 4 of your 8 cores died, that should tell you enough how really useless 8 cores are just for gaming only. For the same price you're getting almost up to twice as much fps in CPU limited titles so let's stop mything about it's price/performance. I bet our good friend at AMD Richard Huddy who's a PR leader orsomething yolo's a 5960x at home to test the full potential out of his GPU's. No wonder AMD is shipping Intel CPU's for their GPU reviews.

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I've seen a few of them clock better than none E versions with lower VCORE, hence why I brought it up, I know the 8320 is the same as my cpu but the binning process is what defines them (I think, keep hearing conflicting things) I know you have to be kinda lucky to hit 5ghz on the 8320 as a few can't hit it over on OCN.

If I was amd I wouldnt be focusing too much on binning, so long as they all make 4ghz on 1.4 volt they pass, then get some bumped down to 3.5ghz and some not, that way making 1 product into 2...or 6, (works for intel, they have over a dozen cpu variations, celeron, pentium, i3, i5, i7, i7-e).

how they overclock is the consumers concern, as far as ive seen they all overclock well and seem to get 4ghz on 1.4v, the few instances ive seen of people not beign about to get past 4.2ghz etc is they're using a 4+1 vrm cheapo board (like half the price of an 8320) or they just havent put enough voltage into it, "im at 1.425v but cant get past 4.4ghz".

that and loadline calibration.

the stock amd voltages are way overkill so naturally they undervolt really well and overclock on stock really well, given a small bump they can do great.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929-4.html

"The core voltage at 4.5 GHz was set to 1.315 V in the BIOS, resulting in an actual reading of 1.26 V. This is already quite high, even though it’s still a lot more manageable than 1.5 V."

amd state you can go up to 1.5 though not many do other than benchmarkers like myself.

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Yep. Aslong it's not a 8350. It's just simple, most games usually have one main thread and a few trashthreads which rely on the mainthread, streaming loads every core with a bunch of crap and as we know AMD's single core performance being horrible that main thread's performance is extremely sensitive. Not much of a point having relatively good streaming performance when your game is running at 15 fps. Most massive multiplayer games 8350's run at 15 fps without streaming, add another good taxing fee and that would come down to 10 fps.

Around 16:00 he starts showing the streaming results, look at how awful the minimum fps were getting that's what I meant. Looking at most encoding benchmarks on the net, I see the i5 doing nearly in all benchmarks better than the 8350 so totally no reason to get a 8350 for streaming. I wouldn't bother with what many AMD fanatics here are saying, take Fooshi for example, next day he'll be saying the same shit "no difference between AMD & Intel in Arma 3". This is the 5th time orsomething he's getting proven wrong. Not sure why you would trap in their lies though, I mean two QX9775's which are from 2008 on a dual socket board at 4.2GHz outperforms a 9590 meaning the singlethreaded performance is even much better on C2Q.

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About the i5 vs i7, well Hyperthreading usually adds a 30% boost, so yeah 30% more FPS theoretically, up to you if that's worth it or not.

 

Your decision to buy a 8350 by thinking you get nearly the same performance for almost 100$ less being a personal preference is what I would call ignorant. You wouldnt even notice any performance degradation if 4 of your 8 cores died, that should tell you enough how really useless 8 cores are just for gaming only. For the same price you're getting almost up to twice as much fps in CPU limited titles so let's stop mything about it's price/performance. I bet our good friend at AMD Richard Huddy who's a PR leader orsomething yolo's a 5960x at home to test the full potential out of his GPU's. No wonder AMD is shipping Intel CPU's for their GPU reviews.

 

"I believe it's because it's down to only having 8gig of ram versus 16 as intel uses ram better" fair enough but can I see some factual data? It's ok pulling reviews and benches out of his arse lol but I like to see actual data and proof. If he believed it was down to not having enough ram, fine, so retest it at 16gigs then show us the result.

 

"if your going with a high end GPU go with intel (lists CPU intensive games....)" Well yea, if I'm playing CPU intensive games I should go with a stronger CPU, that doesn't mean AMD won't utilize the card... <-- I'm pretty sick of this misconception

 

I have 16gigs of ram, I stream but I don't stream games that favour intel etc I was streaming games the other day at whatever twitch can stream under the source setting and it was silky smooth, CSGO nets me 200FPS average with my ancient HD6870 overclocked at 1ghz blah blah blah. Intel are better CPUs for many reasons but so are AMD, for streaming and a multitasking perspective I would like to have an i7 infact in my next build i'll be using the extreme haswell 2011-3. The problem I have with videos like that is people hang on their every word then use quotes from them in the arguments between the blue and red teams and they trip up on certain things and it bugs me because I see it all the time, "AMD wastes energy" yea but its marginal it would take years to make the money back! it goes on and on and on.

 

Get what you think is best based off GOOD data, the video does say a few good things but trips over itself later.

 

If I was amd I wouldnt be focusing too much on binning, so long as they all make 4ghz on 1.4 volt they pass, then get some bumped down to 3.5ghz and some not, that way making 1 product into 2...or 6, (works for intel, they have over a dozen cpu variations, celeron, pentium, i3, i5, i7, i7-e).

how they overclock is the consumers concern, as far as ive seen they all overclock well and seem to get 4ghz on 1.4v, the few instances ive seen of people not beign about to get past 4.2ghz etc is they're using a 4+1 vrm cheapo board (like half the price of an 8320) or they just havent put enough voltage into it, "im at 1.425v but cant get past 4.4ghz".

that and loadline calibration.

the stock amd voltages are way overkill so naturally they undervolt really well and overclock on stock really well, given a small bump they can do great.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929-4.html

"The core voltage at 4.5 GHz was set to 1.315 V in the BIOS, resulting in an actual reading of 1.26 V. This is already quite high, even though it’s still a lot more manageable than 1.5 V."

amd state you can go up to 1.5 though not many do other than benchmarkers like myself.

My CPU is over 1.5v most the time because i'm at 4.9ghz though? I don't undervolt and over in the club at OCN one of the guys running an 8320 is at 1.58V @ 4.88ghz and it's a trend I see quite a bit.

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"I believe it's because it's down to only having 8gig of ram versus 16 as intel uses ram better" fair enough but can I see some factual data? It's ok pulling reviews and benches out of his arse lol but I like to see actual data and proof. If he believed it was down to not having enough ram, fine, so retest it at 16gigs then show us the result.

 

You only benefit from more ram if you're running out and 8GB is plenty for a streaming system. The Intel CPU used 8GB as well so your point gets nowhere. If he uses 16GB you'll likely get another excuse out, the motherboard, the PSU, the monitor, the keyboard, logitech G27 steer and in the end it won't change the fact that you'll still deny that your 8350 is a 2005 CPU.

 

"if your going with a high end GPU go with intel (lists CPU intensive games....)" Well yea, if I'm playing CPU intensive games I should go with a stronger CPU, that doesn't mean AMD won't utilize the card... <-- I'm pretty sick of this misconception

He says you'll get more performance in CPU bound tests with Intel, he's not saying AMD doesn't utilize the card but it will bottleneck heavily thanks to its 2005 IPC. Also I'm sick of the misconception people thinking the 8350 is a good CPU while the fx 4300 is a shit CPU. Everything above the 4300 is the same garbage. Just stop comparing that 10 years old 8 core with a modern CPU.

 

I have 16gigs of ram, I stream but I don't stream games that favour intel etc I was streaming games the other day at whatever twitch can stream under the source setting and it was silky smooth, CSGO nets me 200FPS average with my ancient HD6870 overclocked at 1ghz blah blah blah.

 

Basically you're claiming there are games that favour AMD? I'm well above the 350 FPS there at stock clocks without any OC on the GPU with SLI disabled.

 

 

Intel are better CPUs for many reasons but so are AMD, for streaming and a multitasking perspective I would like to have an i7 infact in my next build i'll be using the extreme haswell 2011-3. 

AMD is only okay for making an idiot out of yourself. 

 

Get what you think is best based off GOOD data, the video does say a few good things but trips over itself later.

Funny, you quoted that video but you didn't quote the guy who posted the laughable Teksyndicate video's your AMD colleague posted.. Judge that video before you're arguing against the facts, Bryan explained the CPU/GPU logic quite nicely which you can't say about Teksyndicate at all who even were the first "source" that claimed AMD is 400% faster than Intel (Arma 3 using gtx 670 video). Can link plenty of benchmarks to back Bryan up, ask for it and you'll get it.

 

My CPU is over 1.5v most the time because i'm at 4.9ghz though? I don't undervolt and over in the club at OCN one of the guys running an 8320 is at 1.58V @ 4.88ghz and it's a trend I see quite a bit.

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($318.87 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $423.61
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Noticing you needed a custom loop to hit 4.9GHz;

 
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($169.95 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($175.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Other: Customloop ($200.00)
Total: $540.95
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Only added 200, would be at least around 300$. Lets quickly put it in a price/performance ratio;

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No need, AMD offers at least a worse price/performance ratio by 2 times and the fact that a 4690K does jack the same as an i7 in every title out there just makes it worse and worse.

Wait. Let's deliver a killing blow to the worlds ever best price/performance CPU.

 

 
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So for almost 1/3rd price you're getting 50% more performance.

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On the first page alone of the GPU section of this forum are three different people getting bottlenecked by their AMD processors with 970 GPUs.

"I genuinely dislike the promulgation of false information, especially to people who are asking for help selecting new parts."

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I'm not saying AMD is the bees knees but I'm actually making a valid point, whether you agree or not is okay, I'm not going to ramble on like a fanboy because I know Intel are better. However they can still do the job.

 

On the first page alone of the GPU section of this forum are three different people getting bottlenecked by their AMD processors with 970 GPUs.

 

Chips overclocked? Did they overclock their HT Link and NB? What boards are they using as a crappy OC can limit things too.

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My CPU is over 1.5v most the time because i'm at 4.9ghz though? I don't undervolt and over in the club at OCN one of the guys running an 8320 is at 1.58V @ 4.88ghz and it's a trend I see quite a bit.

fair play man!, while im here...from testing the other day i locked down my missus 8120 into an fx4150 effectively and put it with my r9-290.

here one of those single threaded games they love so much obviously bottlenecking at 100fps..

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Just go Intel.                                                If you go 8350

-upgrade options                                         -dead socket

-more performance                                      -no upgrade chips

-more efficient                                               -more heat/less efficient 

 

But hey Amd is cheap.

I have a 8350 (paid $70 out of pocket for it) at 4.6ghz and wish I had a 1150 board...my 970 would like it at least.

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Just go Intel.                                                If you go 8350

-upgrade options                                         -dead socket

-more performance                                      -no upgrade chips

-more efficient                                               -more heat/less efficient 

 

But hey Amd is cheap.

I have a 8350 (paid $70 out of pocket for it) at 4.6ghz and wish I had a 1150 board...my 970 would like it at least.

To be fair, if he got a 3770(k) he would have no upgrade path either, as Z77 [1155] is dead as well.

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AMD is only okay for making an idiot out of yourself. 

 

Okay, that's enough. You don't have to like the company or the product, but do you have to keep hammering on the people who have it? We get it, you don't like AMD products. But some people would rather spend less money on a build, and still get decent-good performance.

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you need to make the people who use it look like retards or idiots.

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To be fair, if he got a 3770(k) he would have no upgrade path either, as Z77 [1155] is dead as well.

The CPU decides a platform to be dead or not. Following your logic Z87 would be dead as well with Broadwell. When every FX CPU came out, they were already dead. Just not enough reviews were bothering testing them in CPU bound scenario's and AMD decided to pay Teksyndicate to bewst their sales up while they moaned about Intel crippling their performance. AMD is doing nothing more or less than some nasty brainwashy marketing, 9590 is a good example. People who are upgrading their 8350 which used to cost 200$ are a good example of being a victim of AMD's marketing.

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The CPU decides a platform to be dead or not. Following your logic Z87 would be dead as well with Broadwell. When every FX CPU came out, they were already dead. Just not enough reviews were bothering testing them in CPU bound scenario's and AMD decided to pay Teksyndicate to bewst their sales up while they moaned about Intel crippling their performance. AMD is doing nothing more or less than some nasty brainwashy marketing, 9590 is a good example. People who are upgrading their 8350 which used to cost 200$ are a good example of being a victim of AMD's marketing.

Oh ok, so your definition of a dead socket is when there are no more viable CPU's on it? I figured it meant there weren't going to be any more CPU's made for it.

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Oh ok, so your definition of a dead socket is when there are no more viable CPU's on it? I figured it meant there weren't going to be any more CPU's made for it.

Well if AMD released a FX 4550 quadcore (no CMT or sharing bs) with 500% more IPC than any Intel on AM3+, then any current Intel platform would be dead to me. 

 

 

Okay, that's enough. You don't have to like the company or the product, but do you have to keep hammering on the people who have it? We get it, you don't like AMD products. But some people would rather spend less money on a build, and still get decent-good performance.

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you need to make the people who use it look like retards or idiots.

If you're going to keep moaning about AMD's better price/performance then you might as well take an example of performance and divide it by price and give me a performance:price ratio before you yell it's better. I can't wait for it. Might as well do a performance/price/<how many cores do you need> ratio that should immediately destroy the 8350. Why is that never being done?

About hating AMD or not, give me a reason why I should like them? On the CPU side, Intel is the only viable option to me and that doesn't mean I like Intel. On the GPU side, I don't care having Nvidia or AMD since GPU performance is no longer a factor me.

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