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How slow will SSDs be on IDE mode?

terrytek
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So, my dad is planning to get 2 PNY Optima 120GB SSDs from Best Buy on Black Friday. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/pny-optima-120gb-internal-serial-ata-iii-solid-state-drive-for-laptops/8191179.p?id=1219315690159&skuId=8191179 I am so excited, but there's one problem. I hear that SSDs perform best when the SATA controller is in AHCI mode. I don't have AHCI, just RAID and IDE. I'm just wondering, how bad will IDE affect my SSDs? Will it just nullify the effect of an SSD or can I still get some fast speeds out of it?

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From my very minimal tests, it didn't affect benchmarks much at all. (Tested with a single V300 with 0 data on it)

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From my very minimal tests, it didn't affect benchmarks much at all. (Tested with a single V300 with 0 data on it)

So I can still get very fast speeds out of it?

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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So I can still get very fast speeds out of it?

Probably, I'm not 100% sure though due to my minimal testing, you'll want to get a second opinion.

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Probably, I'm not 100% sure though due to my minimal testing, you'll want to get a second opinion.

Are you sure you tested it in IDE mode? It doesn't sound like it.

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this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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Are you sure you tested it in IDE mode? It doesn't sound like it.

It wasn't really a 'test', I accidentally left it on IDE mode and after I formatted and switched it to AHCI I didn't notice a performance difference nor did I see a noticeable difference in crystaldiskmark.

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It wasn't really a 'test', I accidentally left it on IDE mode and after I formatted and switched it to AHCI I didn't notice a performance difference nor did I see a noticeable difference in crystaldiskmark.

Oh. OK.

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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Even Windows 7 runs slow in IDE mode.

Windows 7? shit, i got windows 8. but i need space, desperately.

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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HELLOOOOO RAID IS AHCI GUYS 

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough it will be believed.

-Adolf Hitler 

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You can mod some of the bioses, that dont support AHCI out of the box...

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HELLOOOOO RAID IS AHCI GUYS 

You're kidding me, right?

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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You're kidding me, right?

oh dear im very sorry i mean raid has almost all the features that ahci has and i am sure raid wont limit the speed of the ssd 

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough it will be believed.

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oh dear im very sorry i mean raid has almost all the features that ahci has and i am sure raid wont limit the speed of the ssd 

So, it was like a hidden AHCI mode for me? I guess I can use it since I'm buying 2 of these SSDs.

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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So, it was like a hidden AHCI mode for me? I guess I can use it since I'm buying 2 of these SSDs.

basically yes ahci and raid are similar but you might have to use different drivers when installing windows on to a ssd in raid 

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough it will be believed.

-Adolf Hitler 

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basically yes ahci and raid are similar but you might have to use different drivers when installing windows on to a ssd in raid 

Nah, I'm too lazy to reinstall windows onto my SSDs.

"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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It's probably worth noting that your SSD won't have TRIM if you use IDE mode. More info on TRIM can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_%28computing%29

You're wrong. It's confirmed Microsoft drivers will support TRIM on SSDs in IDE mode.

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"If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303

this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/

 

Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit :D 

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You're wrong. It's confirmed Microsoft drivers will support TRIM on SSDs in IDE mode.

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Oh, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for telling me :)

 

Edit: it seems that you won't suffer much if at all from running the SSD in IDE mode.

More on TRIM and speeds in IDE mode:

http://www.overclock.net/t/747658/trim-works-in-ide-mode

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/293586-32-mode

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IDE mode itself isn't such a problem, its the lack of NCQ that kills random (and some sequential) performance.

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