I dont get it

[BabaDaMonkey]

if amd has 8 cores its not worse than i5 4690k with 4 cores but an intel cpu has 8 cores it a little bit better. does intel have stronger

cores or something?
 

[EarthboundHero]

Newer and more efficient architecture.

[connorpiper]

Yes. The FX line is an old PGA platform. And the FX line has worse per-core performance. 

Also, the 5960X requires DDR4. So the performance will be better by default. 

 

And, Intel has much better efficiency. 

[harrynowl]

Yes. The FX line is an old PGA platform. And the FX line has worse per-core performance. 

Also, the 5960X requires DDR4. So the performance will be better by default. 

 

And, Intel has much better efficiency. 

Well being PGA doesn't dictate performance either way, most mobile CPUs from Intel are PGAs.

 

But yes OP Intel has stronger cores (about 90% each clock).

[connorpiper]

Well being PGA doesn't dictate performance either way, most mobile CPUs from Intel are PGAs.

 

But yes OP Intel has stronger cores (about 90% each clock).

 

Just an example of the older platform. 

[Faceman]

Cores and speed aren't the only factors to measure performance. Architecture and IPC are more important. That is where Intel dominates. FX processors are old and don't perform well compared to their Intel counterparts. At any budget, an Intel processor will outperform an FX processor in gaming.

FX prays on the uninformed consumer who thinks cores and speed are the only factors for CPU performance. Check real world benchmarks of games and programs that you intend to use. Websites like cpuboss, gpuboss, passmark, cpubenchmark.net, teksyndicate are falsified or not showing the pertinent information that is necessary in determining what CPU to buy.

[harrynowl]

Just an example of the older platform. 

being pga doesn't mean it has to be older though

[Blade of Grass]

Yes. The FX line is an old PGA platform. And the FX line has worse per-core performance. 

Also, the 5960X requires DDR4. So the performance will be better by default. 

 

And, Intel has much better efficiency.

PGA is just the socket design (Pin Grid Array) and is not indicative of performance.

Intel's architecture is much more advanced compared to AMD, and uses a newer instruction set, those, plus a few other factors make Intel processors much more efficient (for example, it may take an Intel CPU 3 cycles to calculate 50*3, and AMD might take 5).

[connorpiper]

PGA is just the socket design (Pin Grid Array) and is not indicative of performance.

Intel's architecture is much more advanced compared to AMD, and uses a newer instruction set, those, plus a few other factors make Intel processors much more efficient (for example, it may take an Intel CPU 3 cycles to calculate 50*3, and AMD might take 5).

 

Someone already addressed that. I know that it does not indicate performance. But PGA is an indicator of the older platform.

[-rascal-]

Someone already addressed that. I know that it does not indicate performance. But PGA is an indicator of the older platform.

PGA = Pin Grid Array = pins are located on the CPU

LGA = Land Grid Array = Pins are located on the socket

BGA = Ball Grid Array. Chip is soldered on the PCB.

Does not, in any way, indicate the age of the platform.

[connorpiper]

PGA = Pin Grid Array = pins are located on the CPU

LGA = Land Grid Array = Pins are located on the socket

Does not technically mean older platform.

 

I, again, understand that. But we left PGA with Pentium while AMD kept it. 

[-rascal-]

I, again, understand that. But we left PGA with Pentium while AMD kept it.

Doesn't technically make a difference. Pins on the CPU, or pins on the socket. You still have pins and contact areas. They are just swapped around.

[connorpiper]

Doesn't technically make a difference. Pins on the CPU, or pins on the socket. You still have pins and contact areas. They are just swapped around.

 

And again. Understand that.

The difference is the indicator of its age. 

[NannerBeans]

And again. Understand that.

The difference is the indicator of its age.

Just because Intel switched away doesn't mean PGA is an indicator of age. Current Amd CPUs are also PGA.

[connorpiper]

Just because Intel switched away doesn't mean PGA is an indicator of age. Current Amd CPUs are also PGA.

 

Okay. No more responding to these. Because they are all the same comments.

[NannerBeans]

Okay. No more responding to these. Because they are all the same comments.

That's because every time you still don't understand that they have nothing to do with each other so I tried to explain it in a slightly different way.

[-rascal-]

Okay. No more responding to these. Because they are all the same comments.

Do you know why Intel switched to LGA?

Because it can easily be converted to BGA and be permanently be soldered to the PCB.

Did you know AMD's server grade CPUs use LGA as well? They've been using LGA sockets since 2006.

Why change something that works just as good? Why spend money to switch to LGA when there is no immediate need to do so?

LGA simply has the pins on the socket, while PGA has the pins on the CPU. Otherwise, they are exactly the same.

LGA isn't new either. Its been around since the early 1990's, but just not commonly used / popular at the time.

It looked like you were trying to convince that better performance is due to the use of LGA (Land Pin Array) by Intel. That is not the reason.

[GeathX]

Do you know why Intel switched to LGA?

Because it can easily be converted to BGA and be permanently be soldered to the PCB.

Did you know AMD's server grade CPUs use LGA as well?

Why change something that works just a good? Why spend money to switch to LGA when there is no immediate need to do so?

LGA simply has the pins on the socket, while PGA has the pins on the CPU. Otherwise, they are exactly the same.

It looked like you were trying to convince that better performance is due to the use of LGA (Land Pin Array) by Intel. That is not the reason.

 

Also has the side affect of pushing pin damage on to the board manufacturers. Though might actually be easier to manage that way. Can close up and protect the socket more than pins on a CPU.

[Zowb]

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[harrynowl]

Actually, you and a few others seem to misunderstand what he's saying (he can correct me if I'm wrong).

 

He's saying that intel used to use PGA but switched to LGA. This means that for the foreseeable future, PGA = older technology from intel. He's not saying that worse performance or older technology is inherent to PGA as a standard.

The FX line is an old PGA platform

I, again, understand that. But we left PGA with Pentium while AMD kept it. 

No he's on about PGA being an 'old' method when really they're both viable and there's no performance difference between the two. PGA doesn't have to mean it's old. There are Haswell PGA CPUs. 

 

PGA and age is just an invalid relationship and we were pointing that out.