Haswell-E review (hardwarecanucks)

[Techhog]

I love this paragraph,

 

 

I truly do not understand the hard on this place seems to have for the 5820k, to me its very much like the 4820k, they just don't make a lot of sense.

It's still the better choice if you only care about using 1-2 GPUs and you do a lot of rendering.

[The_Strict_Nein]

They all are within margin of error, is pretty much explaining itself that they were GPU limited - reviewers arent doing anything else these days besides testing the variations of the GPU's performance. A 8350 at stock clock would have matched that 5960x, especially at 1440p and a single GPU.

 

Okay, I concede that point, though I'd still like to see a performance test in a CPU bound game.

 

But what were you banging on about with APU's? It didn't really make sense to me

[Faa]

Okay, I concede that point, though I'd still like to see a performance test in a CPU bound game.

 

But what were you banging on about with APU's? It didn't really make sense to me

Just watch at that AIDA64 CPU hash benchmark. 9590 just 5% slower than a 5960x. That APU was faster than the 2600K, not 4770K my mistake: http://i.imgur.com/PH54Z2c.png

[ViruZ_HUN]

Who even needs 8 cores for gaming??? 6 cores is enough(talking about future games).

I need for the lulz?

[The_Strict_Nein]

Just watch at that AIDA64 CPU hash benchmark. 9590 just 5% slower than a 5960x. That APU was faster than the 2600K, not 4770K my mistake: http://i.imgur.com/PH54Z2c.png

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that because AMD requires less ticks to execute that hashing instruction than Intel?

[ViruZ_HUN]

Just like to point out, Intel 8 core at 3.3GHz (I'm assuming that's the all core speed) = AMD 8 Core at 4.7GHz, with the Intel being at almost half the TDP

 

The GHz war is truly over

Do you have a idea what you are talking about?

 

Never compare Intel cores against AMD cores.

[The_Strict_Nein]

Do you have a idea what you are talking about?

 

Never compare Intel cores against AMD cores.

 

My argument was that in the early days of processors, IPC was so similar that it was entirely based on processor speed. The fastest CPU was the one with the most MHz.

 

Now-a-days, it's entirely based on IPC. A 1.4GHz difference between CPU's back then would have been MASSIVE. Now, Intel's IPC entirely makes up for it.

 

It's why I said the GHz war was well and truly over, and the power war begins. Intel performing the same as a core with 1.4GHz higher clock speed at 140W compared to the 220W TDP of the 9590 shows how far we have come from the early days

[Faa]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that because AMD requires less ticks to execute that hashing instruction than Intel?

No ideas, it's maybe because AMD uses extensions for SHA1 but Intel doesnt have this until Skylake. 

[Real_PhillBert]

It's still the better choice if you only care about using 1-2 GPUs and you do a lot of rendering.

Only 1 gpu you mean. Neither the 5820k nor Z97 can run two GPU's at full x16 speeds. So you have an X platform that does not have any real advantage in PCI-e over the consumer chipsets. 

[gunsman]

did these guys break nda? i have seen no other major reviewer with haswell-E yet

[patrickjp93]

No ideas, it's maybe because AMD uses extensions for SHA1 but Intel doesnt have this until Skylake. 

Yes. That is exactly the case. Though seriously who cares about hashing these days? ASICs or go home.

[patrickjp93]

Only 1 gpu you mean. Neither the 5820k nor Z97 can run two GPU's at full x16 speeds. So you have an X platform that does not have any real advantage in PCI-e over the consumer chipsets. 

FACEPALM* 28 lanes native + 8 from the chipset. Plus 8x 3.0 = 16x 2.0. There's barely a performance gain with 16x.

 

Plus, 28 lanes allows 3x SLI in 8x and has room for a sound card, wireless, network, and/or M.2 all at once. Z97 does not.

[The_Strict_Nein]

did these guys break nda? i have seen no other major reviewer with haswell-E yet

 

According to this supposedly official Intel slide

 

 

The embargo ends at 5PM BST, so they're a little bit early, but not enough to cause major problems I imagine

[The_Strict_Nein]

Only 1 gpu you mean. Neither the 5820k nor Z97 can run two GPU's at full x16 speeds. So you have an X platform that does not have any real advantage in PCI-e over the consumer chipsets. 

 

The main benefit is 3-way SLI and the fact you can actually buy boards with enough slots to do 4 way Crossfire

[Qvist]

The only game I see 8 cores being an advantage in is Star Citizen (all them thruster calculations in vanduul swarm!), but even then, by the time Star Citizen actually comes out, better, and WAY cheaper CPU's will be available.

[The_Strict_Nein]

The only game I see 8 cores being an advantage in is Star Citizen (all them thruster calculations in vanduul swarm!), but even then, by the time Star Citizen actually comes out, better, and WAY cheaper CPU's will be available.

 

Well, I guess by 2099 we'll all be using Quantum Computers (or whatever comes after)

 

Still, I'll enjoy playing the full release of Star Citizen and watching Sherlock Season 4 

[ThreePinkApples]

Found this to be the most intersting

 

 

From: http://www.hardware.no/artikler/test-intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e/162871/4 (Norwegian)

Clocked up to 4.2GHz, that's quite nice for 8 cores

[Kevinkt]

holy shit the gates of youtube are spamming me with x99 videos

[Techhog]

Only 1 gpu you mean. Neither the 5820k nor Z97 can run two GPU's at full x16 speeds. So you have an X platform that does not have any real advantage in PCI-e over the consumer chipsets. 

Uh... okay? I think your frustration affected how you read my post. I didn't claim an advantage with 2 GPUs at all.

[patrickjp93]

Uh... okay? I think your frustration affected how you read my post. I didn't claim an advantage with 2 GPUs at all.

Though it can do 3-way SLI and have lanes left over.

[Faa]

Though it can do 3-way SLI and have lanes left over.

Btw you know what you can do now? You can test each core individually out to see how well it is binned. So for example core#0 asks 1.10V for 4.5GHz, core#5 asks 1.15V, core#3 asks 1.30V, core#7 asks 1.22V and any other cores ask more than 1.40V. So you would most likely use the first 4 cores to push higher clocks out and use them for gaming and have the others disabled or just at stock.

[Kevinkt]

Even 4 is enough. And Batllefield is pretty much the only multi-threaded game ou there, most are single.threaded.

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[Speedbird]

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[patrickjp93]

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[coen113]

Ill get the six core one if it OCs good

you got a 4670k. what do you need an 6 core for=