talk him out of a 780ti

[JewishBacon]

so my buddy is going to do a new build that he deems "futureproof".  he seems to think that he needs a 512 GB ssd, with 2 TB of storage and bla bla bla 32 gb ram, 780ti 800watt fully modular psu whatever. he is planning on spending like 2.5k on the build with another 700 on a custom water loop.  he has a 60hz monitor.  his reasoning is that he wont have to change GPUs for at least 3 years. which i suppose is true. but at the 3 year mark hell have to get a different gpu. while he may be correct on that 3 year bit. he will have an $800 startup cost and whatever the replacement gpu costs.  whereas if he got a 290 or 280x he could spend that tier cost twice possibly before he exceeds the cost of the 780ti. can you guys think of anything else i can tell him to try and change his mind?

[Guest Generallee]

"futureproof"

 

 

but at the 3 year mark hell have to get a different gpu

 

Oh i'm pretty sure hell works with daisy chained 290's 

 

also you could search the forum for the mindblowing numbers of build plans from 1$ to 1 zillion $ and show him

[ZacDaMan72]

I agree with the 2TB hard drive and the 800W PSU but nothing else.

[Builder]

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The 780Ti is a fine card for that budget. The 60Hz monitor is the biggest problem there.

[JewishBacon]

"futureproof"

 

OH CHEESUS CRUST THAT WORD I HATE IT

 

 

 

Oh i'm pretty sure hell works with daisy chained 290's 

i cried a bit when he said it 

[Enderman]

while he may be correct on that 3 year bit. he will have an $800 startup cost and whatever the replacement gpu costs.  whereas if he got a 290 or 280x he could spend that tier cost twice possibly before he exceeds the cost of the 780ti.

Could you clarify this in english please?

 

Also, why do you want to talk him out of the 780ti? Are you jealous? it's a great graphics card, and it is always better to have a single more powerful GPU than two lower-end ones in SLI/CFX

[wng_kingsley7]

so my buddy is going to do a new build that he deems "futureproof".  he seems to think that he needs a 512 GB ssd, with 2 TB of storage and bla bla bla 32 gb ram, 780ti 800watt fully modular psu whatever. he is planning on spending like 2.5k on the build with another 700 on a custom water loop.  he has a 60hz monitor.  his reasoning is that he wont have to change GPUs for at least 3 years. which i suppose is true. but at the 3 year mark hell have to get a different gpu. while he may be correct on that 3 year bit. he will have an $800 startup cost and whatever the replacement gpu costs.  whereas if he got a 290 or 280x he could spend that tier cost twice possibly before he exceeds the cost of the 780ti. can you guys think of anything else i can tell him to try and change his mind?

How much is the overall cost of the pc?

@Generallee not that it matters to me since I'm not christian but I don't think you should take the Lord's name in vain.

[dragoon20005]

so my buddy is going to do a new build that he deems "futureproof".  he seems to think that he needs a 512 GB ssd, with 2 TB of storage and bla bla bla 32 gb ram, 780ti 800watt fully modular psu whatever. he is planning on spending like 2.5k on the build with another 700 on a custom water loop.  he has a 60hz monitor.  his reasoning is that he wont have to change GPUs for at least 3 years. which i suppose is true. but at the 3 year mark hell have to get a different gpu. while he may be correct on that 3 year bit. he will have an $800 startup cost and whatever the replacement gpu costs.  whereas if he got a 290 or 280x he could spend that tier cost twice possibly before he exceeds the cost of the 780ti. can you guys think of anything else i can tell him to try and change his mind?

could you show us the planned build so that we can suggest the GPU options?

[wng_kingsley7]

I'd agree with him about his storage needs, his choice of graphics cards isn't bad if he didn't want to spend as much then he could purchase a 780/R9 290. 800w less psu is fine if he'll be running dual/triple gpu's in mind, note that he should research between power supply manufacturer's for which cables are needed.

 

could you show us the planned build so that we can suggest the GPU options?

His buddy wants a 780 ti

[JewishBacon]

Could you clarify this in english please?

 

Also, why do you want to talk him out of the 780ti? Are you jealous? it's a great graphics card, and it is always better to have a single more powerful GPU than two lower-end ones in SLI/CFX

ok sorry about the poorly worded sentence.  if he got a 280x or 290 or a card in that price range, he could get good enough performance to where he would not notice a difference. in 3 years when he goes to replace the lower tier card he could buy a card of the same tier for the cost of that 780ti that he would be replacing at that time.  and I dont even care if he wants to get a 780ti or 4 titans in sli. if he gets it because he would use it, that would be fine. but literally battlefield 4 is his hardest thing to run.   have a 280x and i love it.   

[dragoon20005]

I'd agree with him about his storage needs, his choice of graphics cards isn't bad if he didn't want to spend as much then he could purchase a 780/R9 290. 800w less psu is fine if he'll be running dual/triple gpu's in mind, note that he should research between power supply manufacturer's for which cables are needed.

 

His buddy wants a 780 ti

well if his buddy thinks his build may be future proof 

 

it best to have a look at the system in whole and suggest ways to improve it

 

the GTX780Ti is a nice to have GPU for 1200P Ultra gaming but any higher like 1440P or 4K gaming it will struggle

[Thebman712]

i think you should talk him out of the water loop not the 780ti, the 32gb or ram, 5212gb ssd and 2tb hdd he will likely not have to upgrade for 7+ years and look at the 680, its been out for almost 2.5 years and most dont find a reason to upgrade.

 

i would tell him like 2 things 

1) if you want to future proof a little, wait for the 880(ti)

2) dont go full waterloop, its overkill, just get a aio cpu cooler and leave your gpu on air

[wng_kingsley7]

the GTX780Ti is a nice to have GPU for 1200P Ultra gaming but any higher like 1440P or 4K gaming it will struggle

1200P? Never hearda that obscure resolution unless you meant 1920x1200p. It'll be fine for 1440p definitely not 4K.

[dragoon20005]

1200P? Never hearda that obscure resolution unless you meant 1920x1200p. It'll be fine for 1440p definitely not 4K.

yes i was referring to the 19:10 ratio 1980x1200

 

1440P is alright but add AAx8 and bam the 3GB VRAM gets used up

[JewishBacon]

try this build http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ellanglois/saved/FHn8TW it does not include the water. but hes going with a 1080 monitor. probably a tv 

[Enderman]

i think you should talk him out of the water loop not the 780ti, the 32gb or ram, 5212gb ssd and 2tb hdd he will likely not have to upgrade for 7+ years and look at the 680, its been out for almost 2.5 years and most dont find a reason to upgrade.

 

i would tell him like 2 things 

1) if you want to future proof a little, wait for the 880(ti)

2) dont go full waterloop, its overkill, just get a aio cpu cooler and leave your gpu on air

Yeah changing parts in a custom loop system can be a hassle. Also he probably isn't responsible to do a full loop cleanout every 6 months like should be done.

[APrettyCoolWalrus]

Look at the 580. It's not really that great of a card and people predicted that it would play games at good frame rates with good resolutions for years to come. Future proofing doesn't exist.

[APrettyCoolWalrus]

ok sorry about the poorly worded sentence.  if he got a 280x or 290 or a card in that price range, he could get good enough performance to where he would not notice a difference. in 3 years when he goes to replace the lower tier card he could buy a card of the same tier for the cost of that 780ti that he would be replacing at that time.  and I dont even care if he wants to get a 780ti or 4 titans in sli. if he gets it because he would use it, that would be fine. but literally battlefield 4 is his hardest thing to run.   have a 280x and i love it.   

Why a TV?

[TheKDub]

I don't see why people are going out and getting 32GB of ram to "Futureproof" their computers, yes the amount that you will use has gone up over the years, but by the time he would have to upgrade the amount of ram by getting 16GB he most likely would have to get a whole new motherboard and new ram as DDR4 is going to be more widely used in the next few years, not only that but if he needs more ram then he can go get more.

[SlaughterSmurf]

Don't talk him out of it, if he wants the single best balls to the wall gaming experience where you max everything 60 fps at 1080p, you aren't going to get that anywhere except CF/SLI setups and the 780 ti.

[SlaughterSmurf]

Look at the 580. It's not really that great of a card and people predicted that it would play games at good frame rates with good resolutions for years to come. Future proofing doesn't exist.

Why would you look at a card that is 2 gens old? If you want something like the 580 just get a 760....

[JDS]

If you possess the funds to get the best, do yourself a favor, and get the best. We should all be happy that "futureproofing" doesn't exist. If that were the case, then we would know that our available performance is peaking. I bought a 780 Ti because I had the funds, and building is my hobby. Grow a pair, and throw some money at it. Or, make sensible upgrades when the time is right.

[Lays]

290x is cheaper and basically the same performance, I'd recommend that instead tbh

[legend8887]

just upgrade the monitor.

[SlaughterSmurf]

290x is cheaper and basically the same performance, I'd recommend that instead tbh

Have you looked at 1080p benchmarks?