Become the shareholders

[Dragonwinged]

Every streamer, content creator and commenter on the internet despise companies because they put more value in the shareholder than the consumer. Well, you know a way to fix that? Become the shareholder. Then companies will literally pay you to hear your opinion. 

 

Yes, not only will you get to tell these CEOs why they're fucking up so badly, you'll also get a little bit of cash back when they finally decide to get their act together. Sk how about we look at the three big console manufacturers, their current share price, and what you might get paid for owning a piece of them.

 

(Okay, I don't really know where the best place to get stock data is, so maybe someone who's better at it can look it up. Linus, you own stock, do you have any in the big three?)

[Kilrah]

19 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

Well, you know a way to fix that? Become the shareholder. Then companies will literally pay you to hear your opinion. 

Hm, I need to find that leftover billion dollar, must have put it somewhere...

 

Nobody who has the money to be listened to would be likely to have those complaints in the first place. 

[atxcyclist]

The thing about being an important shareholder in an important company, is that you already had to be wealthy enough to bypass all the economic roadblocks in life.

 

If you were not born with a silver spoon, chances are you will have limited or no economic mobility your entire life. 

[Dragonwinged]

11 hours ago, Kilrah said:

Hm, I need to find that leftover billion dollar, must have put it somewhere...

 

Nobody who has the money to be listened to would be likely to have those complaints in the first place. 

 

3 hours ago, atxcyclist said:

The thing about being an important shareholder in an important company, is that you already had to be wealthy enough to bypass all the economic roadblocks in life.

 

If you were not born with a silver spoon, chances are you will have limited or no economic mobility your entire life. 

Actually, for a single current share of Nintendo, it's about $17. For Sony, it's $27. Microsoft as one of the top traded companies is over $400. Though if you wanted to start with one of the non-console holders, Sega has shares available for $4. And even the little guy get's a voice. And sometimes simply showing up and saying, people don't like you is enough for bigger shareholders to realize the company's current direction is the wrong one.

[atxcyclist]

24 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

 

Actually, for a single current share of Nintendo, it's about $17. For Sony, it's $27. Microsoft as one of the top traded companies is over $400. Though if you wanted to start with one of the non-console holders, Sega has shares available for $4. And even the little guy get's a voice. And sometimes simply showing up and saying, people don't like you is enough for bigger shareholders to realize the company's current direction is the wrong one.

But having one share of any of those companies is essentially meaningless to steer their direction. Only majority shareholders ever go to the meetings anyway, and they care about money over any sort of code of ethics or what actual product owners/users want.

[Avocado Diaboli]

13 hours ago, Dragonwinged said:

Actually, for a single current share of Nintendo, it's about $17. For Sony, it's $27. Microsoft as one of the top traded companies is over $400. Though if you wanted to start with one of the non-console holders, Sega has shares available for $4. And even the little guy get's a voice. And sometimes simply showing up and saying, people don't like you is enough for bigger shareholders to realize the company's current direction is the wrong one.

Lead by example and tell us how it went, if you think it's enough to buy one or a handful of shares and not a significant stake in the company.

[Dragonwinged]

6 hours ago, Avocado Diaboli said:

Lead by example and tell us how it went, if you think it's enough to buy one or a handful of shares and not a significant stake in the company.

As much as I'd love to buy stock and tell these companies what I think of them, I am in the unfortunate position of Government assistance, or as I like to call it, Communism. Because American Government Assistance, as It's designed right now, punishes those who want to get off government assistance, and this includes things that might make money away from the money they give you, like shareholder dividends (supposedly, with just 1 share of Nintendo, their dividends per payout is $139 dollars. That's an answer AI gave men so it may be off, but that's a lot of money you get for owning one share.)

[Kilrah]

5 hours ago, Dragonwinged said:

supposedly, with just 1 share of Nintendo, their dividends per payout is $139 dollars.

Nintendo stock is in Japanese Yen, worth 10595 of them now. That 139 dividend is also in JPY.

So in USD about $67 for the stock, and $0.88 dividend.

 

You do realize that the reason companies do "what gamers don't want" is because it's what makes them money, right?

Suppose you invested in the company and actually got your say, you'd actually make the company perform worse and thus lose your investment, both from the fact that sales would drop and from the one where other investors would bail out causing the whole stock to crash.

If you invested in a game company because you don't like what they do then what you're doing is putting your 2 conflicting interests against each other. You want them to not do what they're doing, but what they're doing is what protects your investment. If they did what you want you'd now lose money. 

 

From a quick search Nintendo's worth about 82 billion $, if you wanted a somewhat meaningful stake you'd need to invest in the range of 10 billion $.

 

In summary if you had the kind of money to have your say in any global company you'd be better off creating your own game studio and just having someone develop your dream game(s) just for you, and sell them to others who have that stance. Heck you wouldn't even need to sell them to anyone else and it'd still be cheaper than taking the loss of investing in a company to make it do the opposite of what makes it perform well financially. 

 

Also please cut the politics aspect.

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[05032-Mendicant-Bias]

On 1/1/2026 at 9:35 PM, Dragonwinged said:

Every streamer, content creator and commenter on the internet despise companies because they put more value in the shareholder than the consumer. Well, you know a way to fix that? Become the shareholder. Then companies will literally pay you to hear your opinion. 

 

Yes, not only will you get to tell these CEOs why they're fucking up so badly, you'll also get a little bit of cash back when they finally decide to get their act together. Sk how about we look at the three big console manufacturers, their current share price, and what you might get paid for owning a piece of them.

 

(Okay, I don't really know where the best place to get stock data is, so maybe someone who's better at it can look it up. Linus, you own stock, do you have any in the big three?)

There is an argument for something called "workplace democracy" where it's not just shareholders making all decisions, but there are representative from consumers, workers and government that are in the board of directors.

 

Which is not your argument.

 

Having a seat in the board of directors in a large company, requires you to be someone that is a cut throat capitalist with enormous capital to begin with. You don't get to be a billionare by being content and having sustainable businness practices. Nobody goes: "I'll be cuttrhoat and get to a billion, THEN I'll become altruistic and use that billion to make things better for others."

 

Regular shareholders rarely have voting rights. And votes are mostly for things like deciding how much shareholders and directors are paid.

 

Also, I feel you don't understand how stocks work. When you buy a stock on the open market, you aren't usually giving money to the company. For the most part, a company only get money for IPOs and stock dilutions. While investors get money with dividends and stock buybacks.

 

Fun Fact, Effective Altruist is this concept of gathering money, then, when you have all the money use it to make humanity better, because you know better than the government. The biggest advocate was Sam Bankman Fried, it justified him stealing tens of billions NOW, to then be altruist at a later point in life. He got in jail for being one of the biggest thief in history. I feel the irony is somewhat lost that this group was thinking of the well being of quadrillions unborn human, and was enjoying sponsoprships from the biggest thief in history that ruined millions of lives now.

 

Also, this might be a bad moment to go in on USA tech stocks. If the AI bubble were to pop, and Nvidia going down to it's fundamental value around possibly -70%, you'd be basically serving as exit liquidity for the guys that rode Nvidia up to the current high, and get to sell their wildly overpriced stocks to you. Nvidia themselves will be fine. Worst case scenario they'll go back to selling GPU to gamers.

 

You want to do something? Vote with your wallet. Do not buy products from companies that are making what you believe are bad practices.

[YellowJersey]

I prefer the pitchfork and guillotine approach to solving corporate abuse. 

[wasab]

People complain about greedy companies on one hand and yet can't stop buying their stuffs with the other. Walmart paid too little? Why are shopping your grocery at Walmart then? Because they have employees discounts and are the cheapest and the only place you can afford? Why do you think that is the case? Oh right, it is because people like you who work there and they paid you peanuts. 

 

Congrats, we come to a full circle. 

[FreddyWestside]

On 1/1/2026 at 12:35 PM, Dragonwinged said:

Every streamer, content creator and commenter on the internet despise companies because they put more value in the shareholder than the consumer. Well, you know a way to fix that? Become the shareholder. Then companies will literally pay you to hear your opinion. 

 

Yes, not only will you get to tell these CEOs why they're fucking up so badly, you'll also get a little bit of cash back when they finally decide to get their act together. Sk how about we look at the three big console manufacturers, their current share price, and what you might get paid for owning a piece of them.

 

(Okay, I don't really know where the best place to get stock data is, so maybe someone who's better at it can look it up. Linus, you own stock, do you have any in the big three?)

Regular shareholders are lucky to have the sway that a local cook writing letters to the president, you should expect less influence than writing a letter than getting a viral Twitter post. You need AT LEAST 100M invested before a company like this will give you an email address, a billion before you might get a phone number, and 10b before your votes might actually sway a decision at AMD or Intel, nobody on earth has the money to influence Nvidia.

 

Linus claims he's blind to his investments other than Framework and that NAS. Their investments are supposed to be in some kind of managed fund and he had to ask Yvonne if they even had individual stocks in their portfolio. He says anything remotely related to tech would be a conflict of interest and basically everything is tech now.

[wasab]

15 hours ago, FreddyWestside said:

Regular shareholders are lucky to have the sway that a local cook writing letters to the president, you should expect less influence than writing a letter than getting a viral Twitter post. You need AT LEAST 100M invested before a company like this will give you an email address, a billion before you might get a phone number, and 10b before your votes might actually sway a decision at AMD or Intel, nobody on earth has the money to influence Nvidia.

 

Linus claims he's blind to his investments other than Framework and that NAS. Their investments are supposed to be in some kind of managed fund and he had to ask Yvonne if they even had individual stocks in their portfolio. He says anything remotely related to tech would be a conflict of interest and basically everything is tech now.

You don't need that much to influence the company. You can simply vote via proxies. E.g. just go to all the share holders and have them agree to give you their votes.

 

Today's much of the stocks are actually own by pension funds and whatever funds in people's retirement accounts. E.g. 401ks for American. This means fund managers own huge shares of a company and have huge voting power. As a share holder in these funds via your 401k, you have ownerships to these companies by proxy.

 

Many index funds like those from vanguard actually allow their shareholders to vote on corporate matters. Few ever do this though so most don't bother. If they do vote, they would vote like most other shareholders. E.g. MAXMIZE SHAREHOLDER VALUES.

 

would you care about evil companies and their labor practices, unfair monopolies and ect as long as your investment portfolio skyrocket to the moon? Lol? Do you care about what Elon Musk say on twitter if he makes Tesla stocks you own return 10000% for the next 5 years like he did for the previous 5 years? Lol? Do you want to see your money go from 10,000 to 1,000,000? Of course you would. 

 

All humans are greedy and all humans are cheap. This isnt a characteristics of only the wealthly capitalists.

 

Speaking of Linus, LMG is his investment. I am fairly confident to say, that and YouTube is 90% of his investment. I would be wise for him to diversified into INDEX funds, not buying individual stocks. Anyone who buys stocks are just gambling in my opinion. Diversification is the only free lunch in investing and it is mathmatically proven by the modern portfolio theory. You will want to own diversified index funds, not buying Google, Tesla, and what hottest tech stocks are. 

[FreddyWestside]

12 minutes ago, wasab said:

You don't need that much to influence the company. You can simply vote via proxies. E.g. just go to all the share holders and have them agree to give you their votes.

 

Today's much of the stocks are actually own by pension funds and whatever funds in people's retirement accounts. E.g. 401ks for American. This means fund managers own huge shares of a company and have huge voting power. As a share holder in these funds via your 401k, you have ownerships to these companies by proxy.

 

Many index funds like those from vanguard actually allow their shareholders to vote on corporate matters. Few ever do this though so most don't bother. If they do vote, they would vote like most other shareholders. E.g. MAXMIZE SHAREHOLDER VALUES.

 

would you care about evil companies and their labor practices, unfair monopolies and ect as long as your investment portfolio skyrocket to the moon? Lol? Do you care about what Elon Musk say on twitter if he makes Tesla stocks you own return 10000% for the next 5 years like he did for the previous 5 years? Lol? Do you want to see your money go from 10,000 to 1,000,000? Of course you would. 

 

All humans are greedy and all humans are cheap. This isnt a characteristics of only the wealthly capitalists.

 

Speaking of Linus, LMG is his investment. I am fairly confident to say, that and YouTube is 90% of his investment. I would be wise for him to diversified into INDEX funds, not buying individual stocks. Anyone who buys stocks are just gambling in my opinion. Diversification is the only free lunch in investing and it is mathmatically proven by the modern portfolio theory. You will want to own diversified index funds, not buying Google, Tesla, and what hottest tech stocks are. 

 

Very few issues go to a vote outside of the board of directors who usually control the majority of the shares by personal holdings or proxies. You would need to invest $45b to control 1% of the vote... It looks like 15 parties control that much stock, Jensen with 3%, 10 banks, and 5 mutual funds. There is absolutely no chance of any group of consumers, or even business customers getting enough sway to affect decisions.

 

Let's say their three biggest customers (Amazon, Google, And Meta) decided to leverage their stock to buy 20% of Nvidia... Enough to get them board seats and hedge the billions they're spending on these chips... It would take 20% of their market cap. They'd need to leverage 25-30% of their stock to even have a COMBINED voice in decisions.

 

Linus has stated that he has money invested in a managed fund. I would guess most of his measurable assets (outside of the company which is difficult to value) is the BC real estate, mostly commercial plus the three houses. When they were daydreaming about the abandoned hotel hotel he gave a rough idea of what he could get for liquidating all the LMG properties and I believe it was into 8 figures.

[danalog]

On 1/2/2026 at 11:15 PM, Dragonwinged said:

 payout is $139 dollars. That's an answer AI gave men

Maybe have a woman ask the AI to double check 

[wasab]

1 hour ago, FreddyWestside said:

Linus has stated that he has money invested in a managed fund. I would guess most of his measurable assets (outside of the company which is difficult to value) is the BC real estate, mostly commercial plus the three houses. When they were daydreaming about the abandoned hotel hotel he gave a rough idea of what he could get for liquidating all the LMG properties and I believe it was into 8 figures.

This sounds about right. His houses and his mutual fund come out to 5 million if I have to guess. If LMG is 8 figures then it is worth at least 10 millions. 10/15 is like 67% of his networth.

 

This is what happens to all successful entrepreneur when their business go big. They have nearly all their eggs in one basket. If their company and business go down, they will suddenly go from riches to rag. Diverstification is very prudent.

 

Fund managers like vanguard can easily have like 10% shares of a company like Intel. They can easily sway corporate decisions. Same thing for pension funds run by governments. Norwegian sovereign wealth funds own a huge ownership shares in many multinational companies. Norwegian goverment can easily use their voting powers to effect corporate governance. What's more is that these funds are own by pensioners. E.g. every day workers. Fund managers are just voting on behalf of everyone with a retirement or pensions accounts by proxy. 

[FreddyWestside]

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

This sounds about right. His houses and his mutual fund come out to 5 million if I have to guess. If LMG is 8 figures then it is worth at least 10 millions. 10/15 is like 67% of his networth.

 

This is what happens to all successful entrepreneur when their business go big. They have nearly all their eggs in one basket. If their company and business go down, they will suddenly go from riches to rag. Diverstification is very prudent.

 

Fund managers like vanguard can easily have like 10% shares of a company like Intel. They can easily sway corporate decisions. Same thing for pension funds run by governments. Norwegian sovereign wealth funds own a huge ownership shares in many multinational companies. Norwegian goverment can easily use their voting powers to effect corporate governance. 

Yes, vanguard can afford 10% of a company like Intel (they even own 10% of nVidia) and sway a vote in the best interest of their investors because that's also what's best for the other shareholders; good luck advocating for customers with 10%. I don't think that 25% would be enough to convince a company like nVidia to behave like Costco or Patagonia. Of course something like the Norwegian fund, Saudi fund, Vanguard, or even US social security trust fund (if they were allowed to buy stocks), could buy an influential share. They're the investors that have driven the horrible behavior we want to get away from, customers will never come together with enough stock to influence a trillion dollar corporation.

 

I would guess you're in the ballpark on his personal worth, but maybe a little low. We've seen that he likes to pay off real estate quickly and from what we saw in the tech house video I'd guess his two previous houses are worth about 1.5 USD... I wouldn't be surprised if he's already built a lot of equity in the new home. The badminton center should also be separate from LMG and just the down payment on that was probably another $1m of equity.

[YellowJersey]

Seeing a lot of corporate bootlicking going on here. 

[FreddyWestside]

13 hours ago, YellowJersey said:

Seeing a lot of corporate bootlicking going on here. 

By saying that corporations don't care about customers and we'll never have enough money for them to listen to us?